That's because his involvement is the reason why people come back for the series. GT left a bad taste in many people's mouths which is why we never saw anything new DB for 15+ because Toriyama didn't want to do new DB conent until after DBE cameout.Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:15 am You've gotta love how hard they always go hyping Toriyama's involvement.
Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Moderators: General Help, Kanzenshuu Staff
- Hellspawn28
- Patreon Supporter
- Posts: 15202
- Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
- Location: Maryland, USA
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
On the topic of what this movie is going to be about, I suspect it's going to be the Moro arc. When they say "unexpected character" I'm taking it that they are referring to and his fight scene. I feel like this announcement is just a continuation of the grand tradition of the anime marketing to its audience while pretending the manga doesn't exist. Similar to how we pretty much never see a character in videogames before they appear in anime form.
Doing this as a movie also has the "benefit" for Toei of being able to do an extended retread for whenever we get a new TV series. Much like they did last time.
Spoiler:
Doing this as a movie also has the "benefit" for Toei of being able to do an extended retread for whenever we get a new TV series. Much like they did last time.
-
- I Live Here
- Posts: 4186
- Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:09 am
- Location: Houston, Texas
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
I’d love to get an original story, but Dragon Ball pretty much exists for fanservice and nostalgia at this point.Thanos wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:47 pm I can't be the only one who finds the fact that this will release nearly a decade after Battle of Gods downright terrifying.
Also, I find the vocal portion of people wanting some kind of rehash puzzling. We already had Freeza: Part II and Broli: Electric Boogaloo and people want Golden Cell and CanonCoola. Why the aversion to brand new original stories with new characters?
-
- Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
- Posts: 342
- Joined: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:02 pm
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
Dragonball is kinda in the same spot as Pokemon where they can reuse older material with a "brand new coat of paint" & it will still sell . But Occasionally make something new every now and then. With the terrible reception Moro got do you think they wanna go through that again or have a successful film off of something we are already familiar with?Thanos wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:47 pm I can't be the only one who finds the fact that this will release nearly a decade after Battle of Gods downright terrifying.
Also, I find the vocal portion of people wanting some kind of rehash puzzling. We already had Freeza: Part II and Broli: Electric Boogaloo and people want Golden Cell and CanonCoola. Why the aversion to brand new original stories with new characters?
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
The comic is already doing new storylines, though. A one-off film where we get a new perspective on characters that were relatively static when they first came around wouldn't hurt at all and would actually be fun, going by the Tournament of Power and Movie #20.Thanos wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:47 pm I can't be the only one who finds the fact that this will release nearly a decade after Battle of Gods downright terrifying.
Also, I find the vocal portion of people wanting some kind of rehash puzzling. We already had Freeza: Part II and Broli: Electric Boogaloo and people want Golden Cell and CanonCoola. Why the aversion to brand new original stories with new characters?
She/Her
progesterone princess, estradiol empress
bisexual milf
progesterone princess, estradiol empress
bisexual milf
- SupremeKai25
- I Live Here
- Posts: 4100
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:40 am
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
You could come up with an entirely new villain.
Or you could just recycle/canonize an already very popular and iconic villain.
One of these two options simply brings in more cash and internet traffic, and it's the reason why the "Enemy Saiyan" movie was about Broly and not Yamoshi like so many people thought.
So Yeah I'm 99% expecting a returning villain for this movie, I'll leave a 1% for an entirely new main villain because you never know with Dragon Ball.
Or you could just recycle/canonize an already very popular and iconic villain.
One of these two options simply brings in more cash and internet traffic, and it's the reason why the "Enemy Saiyan" movie was about Broly and not Yamoshi like so many people thought.
So Yeah I'm 99% expecting a returning villain for this movie, I'll leave a 1% for an entirely new main villain because you never know with Dragon Ball.
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
All this villian talk has got me thinking... Is it possible to create drama in a series like Dragon Ball without the existence of a central antagonist?
- MCDaveG
- Born 'n Bred Here
- Posts: 5536
- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:54 pm
- Location: Prague, Czechia
- Contact:
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
I always think with Super and all... Is it possible to create a drama at all in a series set in 10 years gap before the original series epilogue where everyone is safe and sound?
Battle Of Gods was fun one shot at the time with interesting world building around the Gods and more Universes.
Now they are kinda stretching.
Oh no, *insert character, planet, whatever* is in great danger! - not working at all.
So probably a fishing trip family movie with Dragon Ball cast?
Last edited by MCDaveG on Sun May 09, 2021 4:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
FighterZ: Funky_Strudel
PS4: Dynamixx88
PS4: Dynamixx88
- SupremeKai25
- I Live Here
- Posts: 4100
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:40 am
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
I wouldn't mind a reboot of a non-canon villain, but can we break the streak and not have three straight Dragon Ball films with rehashed characters? I understand it's more profitable but there might be risk of fatigue if they just keep recycling shit. It would be nice to have completely fresh material for the next one and maybe go onto do Coola or something after that but something on the level of Zamasu/Goku Black with a theatrical release and an ending that doesn't suck would be great.
Thanos before Thanos was cool.
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
Sure. Make the story a battle against something like old age or illness. Perhaps the passage of time has Gokuu facing a foe he never expected?
She/Her
progesterone princess, estradiol empress
bisexual milf
progesterone princess, estradiol empress
bisexual milf
- MCDaveG
- Born 'n Bred Here
- Posts: 5536
- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:54 pm
- Location: Prague, Czechia
- Contact:
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
Would be nice to get past the Epilogue, as I have fatigue from Goten and Trunks being kids and threats that don't matter.
Let Goten and Trunks be useless but with updated designs and let's see Uub and Pan and other characters being older, without Vegeta growing kingstache.
Let Goten and Trunks be useless but with updated designs and let's see Uub and Pan and other characters being older, without Vegeta growing kingstache.
FighterZ: Funky_Strudel
PS4: Dynamixx88
PS4: Dynamixx88
- CJStriker_CBR
- I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
- Posts: 1622
- Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:22 pm
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
I am completely for any new antagonist to be created cause the product needs to utilize new concepts or even take some others like from the heroes universe and/or others.Thanos wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:47 pm I can't be the only one who finds the fact that this will release nearly a decade after Battle of Gods downright terrifying.
Also, I find the vocal portion of people wanting some kind of rehash puzzling. We already had Freeza: Part II and Broli: Electric Boogaloo and people want Golden Cell and CanonCoola. Why the aversion to brand new original stories with new characters?
But I feel Cell has gotten left behind with the push with Freeza and such, so like to see Cell get his comeback due Allot!
--- ADMIN NOTE: THIS SIGNATURE IS FAR TOO LONG. PLEASE REDUCE IN SIZE. ---
“Let it Bloom. Let it Ring. The Song of Love & Victory!”
Brianne De Chateau/Ribrianne!
My #1 in DB!
I’m a Veteran Poster of Comic Book Resources since 2012!
http://community.comicbookresources.com ... -CJStriker
“Let it Bloom. Let it Ring. The Song of Love & Victory!”
Brianne De Chateau/Ribrianne!
My #1 in DB!
I’m a Veteran Poster of Comic Book Resources since 2012!
http://community.comicbookresources.com ... -CJStriker
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
The greatest fan service they can give us is going past EoZ. No matter who is the villain, or who is the unexpected character, no fan-service will be completed if they don't take us where most of us want the story to be at.
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
To add more dramatic flair: old man goku, looking back on his glory days and disillusioned with his geriatric lifestyle, decides to collect the Dragon Balls to wish for youth ( à la Piccolo Daimao). The journey takes him all across the Dragon World and he meets all kinds of people, including some familiar faces (Suno, Upa etc). Seeing the world again in all it's beauty and seeing his old friends deal with the question of their mortality in a very different manner, he reflects on his own life and thinks back on all the adventures and the crazy battles, and finally comes to terms with the the fact life is finite and all that matters is that you do the best you can with the time you have. Smiling, he rides off on Kinto'un, fulfilled by the life he's lived.
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
Many people in Japan also don’t read the Super manga because it isn’t written by Toriyama. They see as Toyo’s Dragon Ball and they’re not interested.Hellspawn28 wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:54 pmThat's because his involvement is the reason why people come back for the series. GT left a bad taste in many people's mouths which is why we never saw anything new DB for 15+ because Toriyama didn't want to do new DB conent until after DBE cameout.Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 3:15 am You've gotta love how hard they always go hyping Toriyama's involvement.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
To be blunt, the general audience won’t care.Thanos wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:49 pm I wouldn't mind a reboot of a non-canon villain, but can we break the streak and not have three straight Dragon Ball films with rehashed characters? I understand it's more profitable but there might be risk of fatigue if they just keep recycling shit. It would be nice to have completely fresh material for the next one and maybe go onto do Coola or something after that but something on the level of Zamasu/Goku Black with a theatrical release and an ending that doesn't suck would be great.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
I'm happy for a new movie but hoping for a shake up.
After BoG we've just been on a treadmill. BoG greatly expanded the World but very little happened after that, it was mostly reusing old plots/characters like Mirai Trunks, Broly, #17, etc... Some better than others, overall I think it was negative.
This "unexpected character" is probably following the same trend. Hoping at the very list it's something solid like Broly, rehabilitating a character with a lot of potential.
The first thing that crossed my mind was Tsuru-sennin and Tao Pai Pai, so that's my prediction for unexpected character, Freeza got a second comeback, why not the World Greatest Assassin?
After BoG we've just been on a treadmill. BoG greatly expanded the World but very little happened after that, it was mostly reusing old plots/characters like Mirai Trunks, Broly, #17, etc... Some better than others, overall I think it was negative.
This "unexpected character" is probably following the same trend. Hoping at the very list it's something solid like Broly, rehabilitating a character with a lot of potential.
The first thing that crossed my mind was Tsuru-sennin and Tao Pai Pai, so that's my prediction for unexpected character, Freeza got a second comeback, why not the World Greatest Assassin?
Re: Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Coming 2022! (Toriyama Scripting!)
We are getting very close to the 30-year mark of the kids’ debut. That was fine when the series had been over for so long, but Battle of Gods released nearly a decade ago and they even seem to shrink slightly with the passage of time. I wish Toriyama would just retcon the manga ending altogether. Not to mention Uub would have surely lost potential relevance by now, only being the reincarnation of Buu who is hardly the be-all end-all final boss that he once was. Maybe they can work in some kind of Whis training/god power with him but as it stands so much has happened since Buu it seems pretty irrelevant now.MCDaveG wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 4:57 pm Would be nice to get past the Epilogue, as I have fatigue from Goten and Trunks being kids and threats that don't matter.
Let Goten and Trunks be useless but with updated designs and let's see Uub and Pan and other characters being older, without Vegeta growing kingstache.
Thanos before Thanos was cool.