But both new forms were explained
Gohan’s transformation name is literally what it is Gohan allowing himself to be completely consumed be his rage and evolving/awakening a new form same thing has been happening for years
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But both new forms were explained
He's definitely poking fun at this fandom tendency, maybe even some self-deprecative meta humour.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:33 pm Okay, I'm certain "Son Gohan Beast" is 100% Toriyama embracing the old memes of ridiculous overdesigned SSJ forms the fandom has produced over the decades...
I’m almost certain this is troll bait at this point.PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:14 pmHe's definitely poking fun at this fandom tendency, maybe even some self-deprecative meta humour.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:33 pm Okay, I'm certain "Son Gohan Beast" is 100% Toriyama embracing the old memes of ridiculous overdesigned SSJ forms the fandom has produced over the decades...
I doubt Toriyama follows memes since he didn't even know Dragon Ball was that popular outside of Japan. It was most likely him just not being good at naming things. Hence, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and calling extensions Super Saiyan forms 2 and 3. The only name he was really clever about is the Japanese name for UI.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:33 pm Okay, I'm certain "Son Gohan Beast" is 100% Toriyama embracing the old memes of ridiculous overdesigned SSJ forms the fandom has produced over the decades...
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
People keep saying when are we gonna get canon Super Saiyan 4, but between this and Broly we’ve gotten it twice now. This is what SS4 by Toriyama looks like.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:30 pm thinking about the description of Gohan Beast... isn't it basically the same as Broly, bringing out the animal=oozaru power inside of him?
So, Or, at least, something similar using the same concept?
Which in turn kinda works because New Broly is Savage Gohan for all purposes and intents.
I know that, I pointed out that because of the way it's structed Saiyaman would be out of place, there are still plenty of ways for him to work but they way they did it would be jarring.
To be fair, Blanco is a weird exception to Toriyama's transformations since it gets no explanations, everything else did, or at least, made sense with what was established already.Soba Mask wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:35 pm I love that Toriyama gives no proper explanation for his forms as well now... He learned a lot from the anime team and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks.
Beast Gohan....come on. What's next?
Say what you want about GT... But at least it tried to give a story to the new form as DBZ did and actually ecplained it.
Now all they have to do is stack Broly's rage form with Gohan's Beast form
I remember that . I wonder what happened to that guy. I hope the camel's back is still okay since those were a lot of last straws.
I've thought the same thing about a few of the other forms to be honest. The Dragon Room has given several suggestions and we don't know where their inspiration came from. All the current DB artists hired by Shuiesha were former Doujinshi authors so Shuiesha should be aware of the memes and fanwork. It's hard to believe they wouldn't have shared any of that with Toriyama over the years.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:33 pm Okay, I'm certain "Son Gohan Beast" is 100% Toriyama embracing the old memes of ridiculous overdesigned SSJ forms the fandom has produced over the decades...
No. In Broly, it was the power of the Oozaru. But in Gohan, it's something tied to the unlocks he got from the Great Elder on Namek and from the Elder Supreme Kai.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:30 pm thinking about the description of Gohan Beast... isn't it basically the same as Broly, bringing out the animal=oozaru power inside of him?
Now that I've seen AT's drawing of beast Gohan, I think Mikado is right and he is trolling Toei The hair is crazy, I mean I saw it in the film and they made it look decent or even cool somehow for most of the shots, but it looks ridiculous.
And that's my point: Nothing I've heard about the film suggests that Great Saiyaman would have be out of place if they had wanted him in there. They just didn't.
The thing about Super Saiyan 3 is that as ridiculous and over the top as it looks, it telegraphs to the reader/viewer rather easily what it is. This one is probably the first of Toriyama's new transformations that feels like it comes out of nowhere, first and foremost because there was no build up to it. Ultra Instinct is close behind.
Can't say I agree. In Episode 90 (I think?) of Super Gohan says this, which I had at the time written off as something which would never amount to anything:Luso Saiyan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:46 pmThis one is probably the first of Toriyama's new transformations that feels like it comes out of nowhere, first and foremost because there was no build up to it. Ultra Instinct is close behind.
There is a stylistic difference between Beast Gohan and SSJ3. The latter one fits into the artstyle of the anime. Its over the top, yes, but it fits. There were characters with a similar hairstyle long before (raditz).
Ultra Instinct had a long build up since the first training sessions with Whis. We didnt know what it would look like, but it was teased long ago, just like the Super Saiyan in the namek saga (without namedropping, tho). For me its blue wich came out of nowhere. it was just there. no build up, nothing. Just "This is me mixing God with SSJ Ki", but thats it. Okay, the anime had an episode foreshadowing the Blue transformation, but that was after the movie release.Luso Saiyan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:46 pmThe thing about Super Saiyan 3 is that as ridiculous and over the top as it looks, it telegraphs to the reader/viewer rather easily what it is. This one is probably the first of Toriyama's new transformations that feels like it comes out of nowhere, first and foremost because there was no build up to it. Ultra Instinct is close behind.