"Anti-Ki", Should It Be Attempted?

[theherodjl]

Would the concept of a variant of Ki that cancels out the power & efficacy of traditional Ki/God Ki be implemented onto a future villain/opponent? Maybe some kind of monster/force that somehow has come back from being destroyed/erased?

[Thani]

Would the concept of a variant of Ki that cancels out the power & efficacy of traditional Ki/God Ki be implemented onto a future villain/opponent? Maybe some kind of monster/force that somehow has come back from being destroyed/erased?

Maybe not an actual "anti-matter" ki, but the ability to block out your opponent from manifesting it would indeed be interesting. It would be extremely overpower, however.

[Yuji]

It could be interesting but conceptually UI already functions as a perfect counter to that kind of ability, no? UI relies not on destructive Ki output but mastery of one's own body and mind.

[BWri]

Would the concept of a variant of Ki that cancels out the power & efficacy of traditional Ki/God Ki be implemented onto a future villain/opponent? Maybe some kind of monster/force that somehow has come back from being destroyed/erased?

Yup, this is something I spoke about years back when we were first learning about god ki. I think it's a great way to introduce fighters who are weaker yet still dangerous. It could be a great power for the Earthlings as well. I'd put limits on it, but my idea a while back was that it disperses ki attacks and can easily pierce through ki so barriers, aura and beams wouldn't be so effective vs. null ki fighters.

**It actually looks like I thought of it prior to God ki (time really flies), but here's more of what I was thinking. I'll post the link but also add the quote here. http://belartscorner.blogspot.com/2015/ ... art-1.html

Spirit Ki (my fanboy concept):

"So that brings me to my first improvement for the show. The introduction of god ki. That's right, I thought of it waaaaay before it was revealed in BoG. Only I called it holy ki, or spirit ki. It's not the most original idea and I actually may have gotten the idea from Yu Yu Hakusho, the sacred ki. Anyways Tien really inspired me with this one, cuz how broken is the Kikoho? Answer: ridiculously broken. No matter where you put Tien's PL, there's no way he should have been able to hold down an enemy that was exponentially stronger than a Super Saiyan.

So spirit ki was born in my head and Tien had learned a way to use it to attack through normal ki. It allowed him to compete with the top level fighters again. Actually, I had made a villain come into play who has this spirit ki to wreck the strongest Z warriors because spirit ki could bypass normal ki, causing more damage than normal. In my concept, it didn't even take a lot of spirit ki to defeat an opponent of even SSJ3 Goku's level, just a concentrated dose of it. You can think of it like Pokemon, spirit ki is "super effective" against normal ki while normal ki is "not very effective" against spirit ki. So it was up to Tien to teach his fellow Z warriors the basics of spirit ki to defeat this new villain and now all the Z fighters are on equal footing again and we can introduce new concepts into the show to keep it fresh, like possibly infusing spirit ki with elements or something. This also fixes the inflated power level scaling since new villains can simply be really good at this spirit ki. Not all villains have to be gods now. I was even toying with the idea of spirit ki originating on earth as something that allowed humans to fight devil gods from the demon realm. Maybe Tien's alien ancestors came to earth to teach it. Who knows, but the idea can go anywhere. How did Tien learn the Kikiho anyway?"

[Koitsukai]

Couldn't hakai energy be it?

Before Vegeta overpowered Toppo, the anime was going that way. There was no counter to it. Should be noted that Freeza and Goku sort of withstood a small amount of hakai energy, so maybe it wasn't Vegeta's "fault".

[Polyphase Avatron]

Couldn't hakai energy be it?

Before Vegeta overpowered Toppo, the anime was going that way. There was no counter to it. Should be noted that Freeza and Goku sort of withstood a small amount of hakai energy, so maybe it wasn't Vegeta's "fault".

I was thinking that too. But also, in the anime I remember when Vegeta first tried to sense Whis' ki, he said that he had some kind of 'null energy ki' or something like that which he couldn't sense. It could have just been that he couldn't sense god ki at that point, though.

[theherodjl]

Couldn't hakai energy be it?

Before Vegeta overpowered Toppo, the anime was going that way. There was no counter to it. Should be noted that Freeza and Goku sort of withstood a small amount of hakai energy, so maybe it wasn't Vegeta's "fault".

It's not an opposite or polar variant of Ki, just a potent energy or technique(manga) that eradicates an object from existence. We're talking something that specifically targets Ki & God Ki rather than being a general disappearing act of anything that is touched.

[theherodjl]

I was thinking that too. But also, in the anime I remember when Vegeta first tried to sense Whis' ki, he said that he had some kind of 'null energy ki' or something like that which he couldn't sense. It could have just been that he couldn't sense god ki at that point, though.

It may be possible that the Angels don't have or use Ki/God Ki since they seem to be celestial-type beings with powers far beyond that of Ki-users. As far as we've seen, Angels simply choose to engage in acts that lowly organisms are required to do and might just imitate having Ki for appearance.

[DragonBallFoodie]

Anti-Ki? Sounds like negative energy to me.


This is Mr Negative, a Spider-Man villain who uses negative energy (and positive energy too, he just relies on negative more).

Introducing a reverse of the ki concept would be fascinating.

[The Accountant]

Maybe a Ki manipulator; a villain who isn't inherently strong but can manipulate the Ki in opponents better than they can themselves. You could have some interesting things like Ki puppeteering, turning enemies Ki attacks against themselves, etc..

[UpFromTheSkies]

We've already had villians that can cancel or absorb ki, androids and Moro, and it looks like Vegeta is doing it in his Hakaishin form.

[batistabus]

We know there are techniques that can extinguish ki. Granolla utilized a similar technique against Vegeta in the latest chapter, and Goku nullified Beerus' energy ball at the end of Battle of Gods.

If you're talking about some passive force that arbitrarily makes strong fighters weaker, that sounds like something from a video game that serves as an excuse for Kuririn to fight Beerus.

[JulieYBM]

To answer such a question we must first ask ourselves what 'ki' is. Within the narrative the role of ki is to be borne of the body as a natural part of existence and then from there be trained and harnessed by martial artists who perform said training. An 'anti-ki' would be the opposite of this, which naturally means that it should be borne not of self-discipline but of...indulgence? But then that begins to beckons the question of "what is indulgence and how does it differ from the discipline of regular ki?" Furthermore, how do we highlight the differences between the two in the narrative? At what point is 'anti-ki' not simply a different flavor of 'ki', like 'genki' and 'yuuki' are?

[Polyphase Avatron]

To answer such a question we must first ask ourselves what 'ki' is. Within the narrative the role of ki is to be borne of the body as a natural part of existence and then from there be trained and harnessed by martial artists who perform said training. An 'anti-ki' would be the opposite of this, which naturally means that it should be borne not of self-discipline but of...indulgence? But then that begins to beckons the question of "what is indulgence and how does it differ from the discipline of regular ki?" Furthermore, how do we highlight the differences between the two in the narrative? At what point is 'anti-ki' not simply a different flavor of 'ki', like 'genki' and 'yuuki' are?

Well ki is the force of life, present in all living beings. So its opposite would be the force of death... but we've already seen dead characters still having ki. So perhaps undeath? Imagine a necromancer bringing back previous villains as zombies with the power to nullify ki.

[emperior]

Moro could absorb ki, so it wouldn’t feel too out of place to have someone who can nullify it.
It could be basically an ability like Moro’s without the stealing part, and uses by someone who has a wide range of techniques and is confident in his skill but lacks the power and therefore uses that technique to bring his opponents on his same level. I think someone like this would be a cool antagonist.