How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

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How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

Post by The Golden God » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:49 am

So alongside the Super Saiyan legend there is also the Super Saiyan God legend? We’ve seen other aliens transform so we know that’s normal, but we haven’t seen other mortals who can access God Ki through transformation that is specific to their species. Also, whats with the ritual? Why is there a ritual for this form? Everything about this form just doesn’t seem naturally occurring like Oozaru and Super Saiyan.

Besides those questions its also just super redundant, we already had a Saiyan transformation of legend where the hair changes color, now theres another one and the only difference is red hair and you can use a ritual as a shortcut?

Also what kind of training did Vegeta have to do to achieve Super Saiyan God? Is it the same process as with Super Saiyan 1 and 2 where you just get angry and go raaaaaaaah and boom?

It would have made more sense for Super Saiyan God to be introduced as Super Saiyan Rose, Zamasu having God Ki mixing with SS transformation giving it the unique color and powerup, Goku and Vegeta would then learn to harness God Ki through special training with Whis but without the redundant ritual legend stuff that was never elaborated on. Beerus seeks out Earth because Goku defeated Buu and made a name for himself instead of the Super Saiyan God dream, and SS3 could’ve been enough to entertain Beerus before taking the Saiyans under his wing. They’ve given us no satisfying explanation as to what Super Saiyan God is, how it came to be, and why it exists. Is it just bad writing? SS4 seemed to have put a lot more thought into what it was exactly and why it looked the way it did with the whole mastering of Oozaru and Super Saiyan and combining them.

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Re: How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

Post by The Golden God » Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:59 pm

I know about the convoluted Yamoshi story that is hardly touched upon in the anime or manga, left to the fans to guess about it from tidbits from interviews, but that doesn’t answer all my questions. Yes I know the SSG was created(?) by Yamoshi, but how? The Wiki talks about there was Saiyan civil war and Yamoshi was the first SS(?) and then died but his spirit used some jutsu to go and “try again” with a new form he invented out of thin air aka the SSG, but that failed also, so he went to the Namekians and told them about it and they wrote it down?

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Re: How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

Post by Thani » Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:52 pm

At the end it's just a Super Saiyan form with god ki. Maybe not even that anymore, since "god power" is being used exclusively for Ultra Instinct and Vegeta's new GoD form nowadays. :?

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Re: How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

Post by theherodjl » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 pm

Because its irrelevant now that even Saiyans with the power of a God are getting lower & lower on the totem pole of strength. Goku combining CSSJB with UI still puts him firmly below the top fighters in the series.
When you think about it, just what the hell is SSJ3? Why does simply obtaining more power correlate to decades worth of hair growth in an instant and why does it then completely disappear the moment that a Saiyan drops out of the form? The cellular matter in Saiyan scalps is just so finicky.
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Re: How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

Post by precita » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 pm

Super Saiyan 3 was just something Goku came up with and Gotenks did as well. Obviously there were no legends of Super Saiyan 3 before so I believe Goku was the first one to just get that transformation by pushing his limits.

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Re: How come we haven’t gotten more information on what exactly Super Saiyan God is?

Post by The Golden God » Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:27 am

theherodjl wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 pm Because its irrelevant now that even Saiyans with the power of a God are getting lower & lower on the totem pole of strength. Goku combining CSSJB with UI still puts him firmly below the top fighters in the series.
When you think about it, just what the hell is SSJ3? Why does simply obtaining more power correlate to decades worth of hair growth in an instant and why does it then completely disappear the moment that a Saiyan drops out of the form? The cellular matter in Saiyan scalps is just so finicky.
Super Saiyan 3 can still be chalked up to Saiyan genetics though, Goku was the first to obtain it sure but it was still just an evolution of a previously established transformation. Oozaru also makes no physical sense given they just generate mass out of nothing, but it still is less of a straw pull than Legend of the Super Saiyan 2.0 but this time with God ki, because...[redacted].

Maybe the worst thing about there being yet another random Saiyan legend is that is heavily diminishes the impact of Goku transforming Super Saiyan against Frieza. Super Saiyan seems like a cheap knock off of the *real deal* Super Saiyan God now. SS2 and 3 were just evolutions off the original Super Saiyan, the same can even be said of SS4, which had a much more epic entrance than SSG despite GT being universally panned by critics.

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