Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 87 - Official Discussion Thread

[Trouser]

I guess he trained for like five minutes.

[jjgp1112]

I will never get this lame played-out joke. Saiyan's literally turn into giant space monkey's and Goku was known as a little monkey boy who is based on Sun Wukong(the monkey king). I don't get why people make a big issue of it and force real-world scenarios into it despite them not being applicable. I guess it's supposed to be funny? Haha...

It's just a joke, breh It just so happens to parallel a real-life racial epithet thrown at a different group of people so we find humor in it.

But it doesn't, as I explained before. Saiyans are literal space monkeys, earth has no parallel and to say as much is just... Well, it's just not good. Also, Saiyans weren't victims they were ruthless monsters, a bigger ruthless monster just stepped in and took over their "enterprise. Just saying if you're going to make a "funny" at least make it make sense.
Anyways, this Chapter was a terrible end to an equally terrible arc.

You're overthinking the shit out of it man . Frieza's a super racist and calls Saiyans monkeys. Black people also get called monkeys. So it's a funny coincidence. That's it. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to be funny.

[TKA]

Wu-Tang Clan said saiyans represent the black man's struggle in America.

Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with, so you better listen to them.

[VegettoEX]

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[Hellspawn28]

Freeza didn't want to kill Goku and Vegeta because he probably wants to win them in a fair fight.

[JulieYBM]

Freeza didn't want to kill Goku and Vegeta because he probably wants to win them in a fair fight.

Saiyanpilled Freeza!

Next thing you know he'll be babysitting Bra!

(Please make this official, Toriyama)

[Trouser]

Freeza didn't want to kill Goku and Vegeta because he probably wants to win them in a fair fight.

Since when Frieza fights fair?

[Hellspawn28]

Freeza could have changed during the past year since the ToP for all we know.

[ChronoTwigger]

Sorry guys, but this is the bottom for me.
Everything is so wrong that's very hard for me to comment or justify the thing.

As said, the arc *had to end*, so no major opponent to fight. There are literallly *HUNDREDS* of narrative solutions you can use to solve the situation, but the one picked is on the bottom of the list.
Show a major opponent again, but avoid any relevant friction. So, no narrative.
There's no narrative in this arc, it's a showreel of characters and action panels. All narrattive strands cutted and ignored. Heeters wasted, Granolah wasted, literally years of fight against someone that got wasted.
Can you figure out this *entire arc* had no consequences? Like it never happened?

This manga is not made by your friends on some fanfic site, is theoretically made by professionals. They should do pro jobs. Write pro level. Coming with idea pro level.

There's nothing I can save from it. It's offensive to your intellect. It's offensive to everyone intellect. You should start to protest.

[nineko]

Freeza didn't want to kill Goku and Vegeta because he probably wants to win them in a fair fight.

Since when Frieza fights fair?

He did give a bit of his energy to Goku in the anime version of the ToP, so there is this precedent.

With that said, I doubt that's the case here.

Btw, really miss King-Kai.

Yeah, me too. King Kai's planet is one of the two locations in Dragon Ball never visited by Vegeta, it's about time to rectify that.

Yes, I want Vegeta to visit the Kame House, too.

[JulieYBM]

Freeza realized that being a social media influencer was a thousand times more difficult than conquering the universe and switched over to playing that game instead. Now he just beats up Gokuu and Vegeta for fun.

[Grimlock]

Granolah bar arc is finally over and now DBS can move on to other things as if those "other things" will be any good.

We can only hope, right? (Though I've been hoping for too long...).

[TheMikado]

Freeza realized that being a social media influencer was a thousand times more difficult than conquering the universe and switched over to playing that game instead. Now he just beats up Gokuu and Vegeta for fun.

I would actually like Frieza to hold up a cellphone in one hand while he takes out Goku/Vegeta with the other

[jjgp1112]

Freeza didn't want to kill Goku and Vegeta because he probably wants to win them in a fair fight.

Since when Frieza fights fair?

It's not a matter of being fair, it's more pride - Frieza thought he was the top dog in the living universe but got his ass whooped in a 1v1 fight not once, but twice to a mere monkey. So now he's motivated to prove he can beat that simian trash on his terms in a fight. He doesn't necessarily want a "fair" fight so much as a victory with no asterisks.

(Being that it's Frieza, he'll start cheating the second the tables turn, but still. From the onset, it makes sense)

[JulieYBM]

Freeza realized that being a social media influencer was a thousand times more difficult than conquering the universe and switched over to playing that game instead. Now he just beats up Gokuu and Vegeta for fun.

I would actually like Frieza to hold up a cellphone in one hand while he takes out Goku/Vegeta with the other

God, yes, please. That would be amazing. Especially if he was STREAMING IT!

"HEY THERE KAMITUBE WELCOME TO MY STREAM! REMEMBER THAT WHILE I'M SMASHING THESE SAIYAN MONKIES I NEED YOU TO SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON AND SUBSCRIBE!"

[Jiren The Alpha]

Gogeta didn't kill Frieza, so he is just paying them back.

[YamiGoku]

The TOP ARC sucked
Then the Moro arc was Good until it sucked
Then the Granola arc was good until it sucked

you guys still have hopes for this manga?

I'm going to keep reading/checking it because I'm a DB fan, but I'm done waiting for it to be good or taking it seriously.

I dont know whos fault is, if is a team problem, Toyotaro or Toriyama, and I'm not going to insult them or questioning their hard work, but I dont understand how the japanese dont complain about the current state of this manga, or stop buying it or something, because they are only going to listening to them, but I guess they think is not that bad or something? I'm saying this because I saw the japanese getting mad and complaining in Dokkan or other franchises, and that almost always forces a change, but the sales are still good I think? so I'm not anticipating any improvements.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

I’m actually really digging this chapter the more I think about it. I think it’s super cathartic that Freeza comes out of nowhere and just utterly destroys Gas. He’s been the most boring foe in all of Super, so to have Freeza reduce him to bones and then crushing his skull was satisfying.

[ssj3kakarot]

Spoiler:

10 years of training for Freeza is kinda scary!

And he just lets Goku and Vegeta go because.....he didn't even come to Cereal for them in the 1st place?

And we STILL don't know who the strongest in the universe is?

[TKA]

I’m actually really digging this chapter the more I think about it. I think it’s super cathartic that Freeza comes out of nowhere and just utterly destroys Gas. He’s been the most boring foe in all of Super, so to have Freeza reduce him to bones and then crushing his skull was satisfying.

Your post sums up why this is an issue though.

Frieza wasn't involved in this story, yet just came out of nowhere and ended it. It's not catharsis that the bad guy has gotten his comeuppance; it's catharsis that the story is finally over. I'm just one guy, but I don't think the takeaway you want from your story is "Aren't you glad this story is finally over?"

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At the risk of a deletion and a warning, I watched your video and man... seeing Goku pull out a Glock and shooting a woman is a bizarre thing that's got me feeling some kinda way.