Kai Episode 51 (4 April 2010)

[Khalid Shahin]

General Discussion for DragonBall Kai episode 51, aired 4 April 2010.

悟空激怒の雄叫び！間に合え…起死回生の願い！
Gokuu Gekido no Osakebi! Ma ni Ae... Kishi-Kaisei no Negai!
Goku's Furious Battle Cry! Make it in Time... The Resurrection Wish!

[Vino]

They kept the Gohan filler...ugh. I was hoping they would at least get rid of that one.

[Metalwario64]

They kept the Gohan filler...ugh. I was hoping they would at least get rid of that one.

Same here. They wouldn't had to have done a whole lot to remove it either. They could have kept the scene where Gohan left to fight Fri­eza, but never showed him make it there (so the scene where he is moved to Earth makes sense), then they could have cut out the scenes where Goku "returns" that had Gohan in them, or remove him from the shots that he was in if necessary (they've removed characters from shots before...).

I guess it was to end it at the place they wanted to (which was the end of a chapter).

Looks like almost an entire episode will be cut next time. That throwaway, poorly drawn episode (where they seem to color Nameks sky a dark green as opposed to red). It looks like they will nearly skip to the episode where Goku "quits" and Fr­ieza launches his disc at him.

[TripleRach]

I'm not 100% certain, since the text was small and blurry, but it looked kind of like Ryuuzaburou "Dabra/Liu Xing Long" Ootomo was credited as the new voice of Porunga.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, I guess this practically shuts down anyone's remaining feeble hope that Gori Daisuke managed to record any Mr. Satan lines before he passed.

[JulieYBM]

It does indeed. If Ootomo isn't cast as Cold and Mark, though, I'd love to see Banjo Ginga brought on for one of them.

We've already used Seiji Sasaki for ReaCoom and Kenji Utsumi for Shen Long...how many other manly-man voice actors does Japan have left? O.o

[MajinVejitaXV]

It does indeed. If Ootomo isn't cast as Cold and Mark, though, I'd love to see Banjo Ginga brought on for one of them.

Oh lord, Liquid Satan!

[/you're pretty good *hand gesture*]

[Timo]

They kept the Gohan filler...ugh. I was hoping they would at least get rid of that one.

I think it is even worse that they kept the Vegeta filler scenes in which Vegeta sees Goku as a Super Saiyajin. It contradicts later scenes on earth when Gohan tells that Goku is a Super Saiyajin and Vegeta is surprised.

[rereboy]

They kept the Gohan filler...ugh. I was hoping they would at least get rid of that one.

I think it is even worse that they kept the Vegeta filler scenes in which Vegeta sees Goku as a Super Saiyajin. It contradicts later scenes on earth when Gohan tells that Goku is a Super Saiyajin and Vegeta is surprised.

Ok... This episode officially sucked big time...

[Bura]

They kept the Gohan filler...ugh. I was hoping they would at least get rid of that one.

I think it is even worse that they kept the Vegeta filler scenes in which Vegeta sees Goku as a Super Saiyajin. It contradicts later scenes on earth when Gohan tells that Goku is a Super Saiyajin and Vegeta is surprised.

This is probably also in order to explain his location when he was teleported...
Then again, they should've just left out Gohan and Vegeta teleporting.

[Vino]

What I hated about this episode:

1) Using the Kamehameha Vs Freeza struggle scene with the recap music

2) Keeping the Gohan Vs Freeza and Vegeta seeing Goku filler

3) The redrawn scenes(again)

Now I fear that they will use the scenes where Vegeta is a prick on Earth..and worst of all that flashback of Vegata.

Close to the manga my ass.

[Gaffer Tape]

I agree with those who said that those were kept in to get a bead on where these characters were when they were teleported. It's annoying, and, especially with Gohan, they could have worked around it, but eh, here we are. So hopefully things like Vegeta and Gohan's fight on earth and Vegeta's contradictory flashback still will be excised.

[BobZ]

It turns out Kai is not shortened enough, as it originally claimed to be. Pity.
We have yet to see the really shortened and true to the manga version of the anime.
I still enjoy the show every week though.

[JulieYBM]

Making it frame by frame just isn't always possible, espicially when you have 20-24 minutes an episode. 101 episodes have, however, been brought down to 51...so that's a bit of an "improvement."


Even though I vastly prefer Dragon Ball Z rather than Dragon Ball Kai. And only most of the comic.


As for the episode, I was glad at least TWO episodes were covered this week. We're really looking on schedule to finish the arc up in #54.

[Deity]

They kept the Gohan filler...ugh. I was hoping they would at least get rid of that one.

I think it is even worse that they kept the Vegeta filler scenes in which Vegeta sees Goku as a Super Saiyajin. It contradicts later scenes on earth when Gohan tells that Goku is a Super Saiyajin and Vegeta is surprised.

Really ? that one I wasn't expecting, and it is such a let down for me. What's next ? Garlic Jr. arc ?
And as for trimming down 101 episodes to 51, I'm beggining to think that that is mainly due to the fact that the speed of things is far greater in Kai than in the original Z. Shenlong's usual "welcome" line is delivered in 1 second or something..

[Catterix2006]

I can see why they kept in some of the filler. On a personal level, I quite appreciate it, I was always fond of the Gohan filler against Freeza, it just boosted up his character even more in my eyes. Before I realised it was filler, I really liked the idea of him choosing to face Freeza on his own, with no hope of winning, seemed oddly fitting what with him taking his Dad's mantle in the Cell arc. Made him as brave and foolhardy as his father at that age.

I can see them keeping the Gohan filler in to pace the episode better, not only so they reach the end they wanted in the episode, but also to throw the fight up a bit, 4 episodes of just watching SSJ Goku and Freeza punching each other is more than a tad tedious, even with Kai's increased pace. They plan to be closer to the manga, not be a direct adaptation, it goes without saying that episodes and manga chapters require a different pace.

The keeping of the Vegeta filler, however, was just stupid. Whereas the Gohan filler can be forgiven, this one actually contradicts the original story. The story they're intending to keep closer to... Ah well, can't say I'm fussed. It's brilliant to just think how we've cut down so much in Kai, even if their editing since around episode 40 has been ridiculously sloppy.

[ohaimynameiserik]

This retaining of so much filler makes me almost not like Kai anymore.

[rereboy]

I can see why they kept in some of the filler. On a personal level, I quite appreciate it, I was always fond of the Gohan filler against Freeza, it just boosted up his character even more in my eyes. Before I realised it was filler, I really liked the idea of him choosing to face Freeza on his own, with no hope of winning, seemed oddly fitting what with him taking his Dad's mantle in the Cell arc. Made him as brave and foolhardy as his father at that age.

I can see them keeping the Gohan filler in to pace the episode better, not only so they reach the end they wanted in the episode, but also to throw the fight up a bit, 4 episodes of just watching SSJ Goku and Freeza punching each other is more than a tad tedious, even with Kai's increased pace. They plan to be closer to the manga, not be a direct adaptation, it goes without saying that episodes and manga chapters require a different pace.

The keeping of the Vegeta filler, however, was just stupid. Whereas the Gohan filler can be forgiven, this one actually contradicts the original story. The story they're intending to keep closer to... Ah well, can't say I'm fussed. It's brilliant to just think how we've cut down so much in Kai, even if their editing since around episode 40 has been ridiculously sloppy.

The Gohan filler is also stupid...

When Freeza turned into his final form, Gohan couldn`t even keep up with him, and Freeza wasn`t even using half his full power. Then, both Gohan and Krillin gave most of their Ki to Piccolo so that he could keep Freeza busy while Goku formed the Genki Dama and, after that, when they later attacked Freeza with Ki blasts, Piccolo commented on how they were trying to help even though they only had little ki left, since they gave most to Piccolo.

But somehow, in the Gohan filler, he can keep up with final form Freeza (presumingly at 70% power) and he can even beat him up, forcing Freeza to go to his 100% state. That is just stupid... I know that Gohan always finds incredible power when he gets angry, but in this case Gohan had very little power left and the most he could do, even at full power, to save someone he cared about (Piccolo) and becoming angry in the process, was to drive 3rd form Freeza to the ground... He didn`t receive any zenkai since that moment, so, even at full power, that was probably the most power he could summon while being angry at that time. And 3rd form Freeza doesn`t compare to 50% final form freeza, 70% final form Freeza or 100% final form Freeza.

So, in short, that filler is bullshit. And so is the Vegeta filler. They are among the worst filler moments in the series.

[Senzu_Bean]

Plus Gohan doesn't sense Goku's ki, which is impossible cause a Super Saiyan cannot decrease his power output. (at least not at this time)

First time Kai seriously disappointments me.

[Fishman]

Plus Gohan doesn't sense Goku's ki, which is impossible cause a Super Saiyan cannot decrease his power output. (at least not at this time)

First time Kai seriously disappointments me.

This is really only the first time?

You're telling me it's taken you fifty-one episodes to realize that Dragon Ball Kai is no more than Toei's Cash-In Hack-Job to "refresh" their revenue source (Don't tell me Toei values it as anything more than that, either.) the series? We've endured the mess-free Makankosappo, Starburst-orange Kaioken, "I can't believe it's not goldenrod" Super Saiya-jin hair, forced black-hair Vegeta (but never on a consistent basis), removal of any sort of flashes of light (AGH YOU SHOT ME IN THE EYE, GOOD THING IT DIDN'T FLASH THE SCREEN TOO BRIGHTLY, WE DON'T WANT THE CHILLINS GETTIN' SEIZURES. THANKS FOR BEING A PAL, KAKAROTTO!) the outright refusal to fix glaringly obvious animation errors, an overwhelming lack of effort put into the reanimated scenes (particularly in the coloring), and you're only just now coming to the conclusion that Dragon Ball Kai is an enormous disappointment?

Honestly, I'd say it's the worst thing to happen to the series. About as bad as anything Funimation ever did to it in the name of profit.