Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

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Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Hujio » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:39 am

General Discussion for Dragon Ball Kai episode 102, aired 27 April 2014

ドラゴンチーム全員集合!帰ってきた孫悟空!!
Doragon Chīmu Zen'in Shūgō! Kaettekita Son Gokū!!
The Dragon Team, All Assembled! Son Goku has Returned!!


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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Ajay » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:28 pm

Well, that was awful.

It's a dull episode anyway but that music was almost Faulconer levels of wall-to-wall placement.

Uchiyama's awful artwork tinted green didn't help either.

Very depressing.

I simply can't get over the logic behind putting fucking techno music in Goku's return scene. That's a touching moment Toei, you don't put techno music during a TOUCHING MOMENT!

FUNi dub's score was far better than that crap, Sumitomo. Seriously. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlK7a9-taOU
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by dodge2461 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:32 pm

Pretty sure Goku coming back to life was supposed to be touching, Toei.

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:42 pm

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:51 pm

Wow, completely forgot that this was on.

Gotta be honest guys, I've already lost interest in this...the music, the lower budget; it's all been a real turn off and I just feel like I can't be bothered with it anymore. I might tune in again when the fighting starts, just to see how they're done musically- hoping that some of my favourite pieces from BOG will turn up.

Interest will definitely be revived when FUNimation's dub rolls around, but for now, I'll only occasionally be watching an episode if anything notable comes up.

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Black_Liger » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:55 pm

Something tells me it's gonna be futile to defend kai anymore, so I'll wait until I can watch the episode, but if Ajay is correct, I'm gonna hate this episode with a PASSION, Techno music when Goku comes back?....
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Ajay » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:30 pm

Once again, here's an album of screenshots from the episode.

And also, here's a video of that the Goku/Goten reunion in all its 'glory' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajinTxvRKI

Eurgh, it's so bad.

I couldn't find a clip of the Z version in Japanese for comparison but here's a clip from the Mexican (?) dub - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGAQnnMjJy8

Gets the tone across absolutely fine and demonstrates just how terribly they handled this scene in Kai.
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:50 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:And also, here's a video of that the Goku/Goten reunion in all its 'glory' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajinTxvRKI
Whoa, holy crap...I'm normally not near as harsh on music as a lot of you are I think, but...dear lord that's awful. :shock:

I mean, I guess the music itself isn't bad, but it doesn't fit the scene. Like...at all. Just about everything Falcouner and crew ever did at least fit better than that.
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:53 pm

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I can actually get behind the idea of having the music go for an upbeat feel for that scene rather than a touching one. So, in theory, at least, it's not something I disagree with. But once again, the music itself is just not all that good. Sigh.
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by JEFFMAN219 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:55 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:Once again, here's an album of screenshots from the episode.

And also, here's a video of that the Goku/Goten reunion in all its 'glory' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajinTxvRKI

Eurgh, it's so bad.

I couldn't find a clip of the Z version in Japanese for comparison but here's a clip from the Mexican (?) dub - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGAQnnMjJy8

Gets the tone across absolutely fine and demonstrates just how terribly they handled this scene in Kai.
Man oh man what's with the music it sounds so bad smh. The music used for this scene in the funimation dub and the ocean dub sounded better then this.

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by InfernalVegito » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:00 pm

I like that they tried to have an electronic upbeat song but that constant UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ beat just doesn't work and I don't know why. It just feels so video-gamey.
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Black_Liger » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:07 pm

This episode was.... atrocius... and that´s coming from someone who supported the music at first.....


I really hate Nagasaki right now

he could have just slapped one of the eternal universes in bog score in there! talk about incompetent!
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by JEFFMAN219 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:13 pm

Black_Liger wrote:This episode was.... atrocius... and that´s coming from someone who supported the music at first.....


I really hate Nagasaki right now

he could have just slapped one of the eternal universes in bog score in there! talk about incompetent!

I'm honestly just looking forward for the dub when funimation releases it.

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:15 pm

Black_Liger wrote:This episode was.... atrocius... and that´s coming from someone who supported the music at first.....


I really hate Nagasaki right now

he could have just slapped one of the eternal universes in bog score in there! talk about incompetent!
According to Nagasaki the music was placed by Motoyama Satoshi.

Anyway, the music placement is awful as usual. The actual editing of the footage was great, though.
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:20 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:And also, here's a video of that the Goku/Goten reunion in all its 'glory' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajinTxvRKI

Eurgh, it's so bad.
:sick: Instead of savouring the moment, it feels like the music and the editing is trying to rush us through the scene, as if we're watching some sort of clip show. How I miss Yamamoto's score...I think having the orchestral version of Dragon Soul playing over this scene would've been magic. Hell, I didn't even think the Kikuchi-mix for Kai was all that bad- it was just a bit weak in parts.

Wow, I feel like I'm starting to care less and less about this. :| I actually enjoy FUNimation's dubbing for the Buu arc as well, so...

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Gonstead » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:41 pm

I give up. I absolutely give up.

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Black_Liger » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:50 pm

Gonstead wrote:I give up. I absolutely give up.

Kai ended at the Cell saga. Nothing more, nothing less.

We heard another one piece of orchestra now, the one with mr satan, but the sound director (which people tell me might not be yukio nagasaki) just refuses to make a good placement
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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by LordCrumb » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:49 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote:Once again, here's an album of screenshots from the episode.

And also, here's a video of that the Goku/Goten reunion in all its 'glory' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajinTxvRKI

Eurgh, it's so bad..
Holy shit that's bad. Break out the glowsticks people!

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by ErikB » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:30 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote:Once again, here's an album of screenshots from the episode.

And also, here's a video of that the Goku/Goten reunion in all its 'glory' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajinTxvRKI

Eurgh, it's so bad.
Yeesh. I don't mind the music itself so much, it strikes me as generic ambience which isn't bad to have for this portion of the show...but it's certainly not the right choice for that scene. It really reminds me of something you'd here during a character select screen in a fighting game.

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Re: Kai Episode 102 (27 April 2014)

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:17 am

Is it just me, or is this episode really... undersaturated?

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I mean, Goku's undershirt is almost gray here.
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