There's no problem with Goku announcing it if that's all that happened - if Goku's "I won't forgive you if you hurt my friends" line was all that was there. But unfortunately it wasn't, there's two extra things that happened as well. You had an entire segment of the episode dedicated to a flashback of Goku's past enemies and a speech by Piccolo/Roshi/Kuririn about how Goku's fighting with everyone's help, and Goku himself also verbalizes this through a very hammy speech about the others counting on him culminating in a very cheesy line ("This is our power!"); and the other thing that happened was that he got an arbitrary, nonsensical power boost from it, like something you'd see in lesser Shounen. Was it negligible? No, not really. He was losing and then he was winning. He turned the tables, so it wasn't negligible (just like Jiren's arbitrary power-up did with him).Master Xar wrote:...So? What’s the problem in Goku announcing it? They weren’t even being melodramatic about it, it’s two conflicting ideals being brought out in the open, melodramatic would be Goku giving a whole minute speech, Jiren breaking down to crying like a baby or talking about killing everyone then himself or some crap, but instead he is reasonably upset that he is losing again due to being too weak to win over somebody who has all the power he has, has the happiness that he doesn’t, and has people cheering him on because they actually like him for being him unlike Jiren who is cheered on for his power, not himself. He is a traumatized man and shows signs of PTSD. You don’t call a vietnam veteran having flashbacks and having a breakdown being “melodramatic”
Goku never gave a “cheesy speech” he said one line, that he is not a hero and he will not forgive those that bring harm to his friends, he also announced earlier that he would show Jiren than having allies and trust is a good thing. The power-ups were negligible and adrenaline fueled at best as well
Taken in isolation, these things aren't bad by themselves. It's when they're all a part of the same sequence that it's grating. And you're all seemingly ignoring context and acting like none of these happened at the same time. It's like looking at a cake recipe and saying there's no problem, but then tasting it and seeing the ingredients just don't mix.
And you're example of what would constitute as melodramatic actually isn't quite off the mark. Goku and his friends give a whole minute speech about the value of friendship, accompanied by flashbacks, and Jiren breaks down screaming and thinking about his tragic backstory and attempts to murder Goku's friends. This is indeed melodramatic - at the very least, when compared to most, if not all, of the other fights in the series.
I said it before to exemplify how much of a joke this was, you can replace the names with characters from another series and the fight, due to how generic the conflict was, reads like literally any other Shounen:
[spoiler]Usopp: It's not over yet, is it? No matter what, no matter the peril, you've always sprung back! You'll definitely be able to defeat Lucci! I believe in you! So get up, Luffy!
Lucci: Impossible! You shouldn't have any more stamina!
Luffy: Lucci, it ain't over yet!
Lucci: How? How can you stand after being beaten so many times, Monkey D. Luffy?!
Luffy: Robin and Sogeking, and everyone else are trustin' me. I swear on that faith I can never back down now![/spoiler]
[spoiler]Sakura: Naruto isn't fighting only for himself. It's because he's bearing our hopes too.
Kakashi: Sakura's right. Naruto has people who help raise each other up. Not only do we all treasure each other greatly, but our existence also gives Naruto strength. I'm sure he doesn't believe, even for a moment, that he came this far by himself.
Gaara: It's all because of Naruto that we're here right now. When we first met, some of us fought or were enemies, but here we all are, trusting Naruto.
Sasuke: Who cares about friendship? Who cares about trust? To accept that would be to deny everything that I've ever been. I won't believe in such power. Such a thing is easily erased![/spoiler]
The drama has no identity of its own. In comparison to Majin Vegeta vs Goku, an example I used previously, which was also a inner conflict that was unusually verbalized for DB, you really can't mistake the dialogue for anything other than Dragon Ball.
Art is almost always never "objectively" anything; I didn't claim it was. I'm giving my thoughts as to how it was extremely poorly executed. I don't think I should preface my posts with "In my opinion," just like the people posting "OMG BEST EPISODE EVER" don't preface theirs.Master Xar wrote:Cheesy/cliché =/= objectively bad.