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No need for the sarcasm...Miracles wrote:Congrats man. You know somebody at TOEI?Dbzfan94 wrote:Welp i can safely say that i 100% called 17 being alive. Saw it coming from a mile away
You can't ever count out a show dedicated to entertainment with flash, action and appeal to emotion with the epic music, voice acting and bone crushing sound effects. It's too much for the eyes to resist.Professor Freeza wrote:You are joking right????
A post was made a few months ago here about how DBZ would be slaughtered today.
Considering the movie will be a straight continuation of this arc, that should be more than expected.Extreme_kai wrote:That has to be my biggest complaint about this episode, it's just unnecessary padding for the sake of padding. Unneeded padding, a second fake out death attack with no real impact, and only one more episode left? I'm strongly thinking we may get a cliffhanger at this point, which is not what I want.jeffbr92 wrote:They could have done better... Still with Jiren blasting Goku off the stage, but then having Freeza to blast Jiren on his back to also fall of the ring. We could end this god damn episode with Freeza being the last man standing, but no they have to include #17 in every way possible and even worst prolong the battle unnecessarily.
IKR, no sad song and stuff... I suspected about it, but I didn't want to believe as I thought they wouldn't be so stupid to play the fake death again.Dbzfan94 wrote:But it's not even that. Just that his "sacrifice" was so poorly done that I knew he wasn't dead.
Oh, I wasn't being sarcastic, I was really joking about that one. Sorry if it seemed that way.Dbzfan94 wrote:No need for the sarcasm...Miracles wrote:Congrats man. You know somebody at TOEI?Dbzfan94 wrote:Welp i can safely say that i 100% called 17 being alive. Saw it coming from a mile away
But it's not even that. Just that his "sacrifice" was so poorly done that I knew he wasn't dead.
I should of used a smiley face.
I hear ya, I was just hoping they would wrap ToP up and at least get everyone back to earth for the movie. I just want to wash my hands with ToP at this point.jeffbr92 wrote:Considering the movie will be a straight continuation of this arc, that should be more than expected.Extreme_kai wrote:That has to be my biggest complaint about this episode, it's just unnecessary padding for the sake of padding. Unneeded padding, a second fake out death attack with no real impact, and only one more episode left? I'm strongly thinking we may get a cliffhanger at this point, which is not what I want.jeffbr92 wrote:They could have done better... Still with Jiren blasting Goku off the stage, but then having Freeza to blast Jiren on his back to also fall of the ring. We could end this god damn episode with Freeza being the last man standing, but no they have to include #17 in every way possible and even worst prolong the battle unnecessarily.
IKR, no sad song and stuff... I suspected about it, but I didn't want to believe as I thought they wouldn't be so stupid to play the fake death again.Dbzfan94 wrote:But it's not even that. Just that his "sacrifice" was so poorly done that I knew he wasn't dead.
For Mr. Satan, maybe Goku is secretly mad at him for taking his son's credit for defeating Cell. For Majin Buu, they'd have to draw Roshi's glasses twice as large.precita wrote:They show Yamcha in the group shot in Roshi's glasses when he was talking about all the friends Goku was fighting for.Hyena_Yamcha wrote:Am i the only one who's bothered with them not mentioning Yamcha at all in this episode ?
Interesting enough Mr. Satan and Buu weren't in that shot, I guess Goku doesn't care about them as much.
Oh ok! No problem man. It's cool.Miracles wrote: Oh, I wasn't being sarcastic, I was really joking about that one. Sorry if it seemed that way.
Yeah, but so it was you just deducing how terrible 17's sacrifice was that something was up?. I actually thought he died. Seriously, congrats man.
Like I said, you can hope that it evolves but why do you expect it to? DBZ proved to be successful, so Toei has no reason to change its formula if it works. And the financial success of Super proves that. If you want something to be better, you let them know with your eyeballs and wallet. Since you're watching and paying for it (assuming you're not illegally watching) then you're letting them know you're okay with what they're doing, so you should not be expecting them to make a better product when the language they speak is "we're getting views+money so we're doing a good job just repeating what we did before."jeffbr92 wrote:So you're quoting the wrong person as I'm not blind due nostalgia.Professor Freeza wrote:No. Nostalgia is a very potent argument. Honestly if DB or Z aired today for the first time, it would be SLAUGHTERED.
Why not? I don't see why a TV show can not evolve to be better than what was on its past days.8bitdee wrote:You can hope that is better, but you shouldn't expect it to be. We have been given no reason to expect better when it's always been flawed.
Sorry. Thought that might be a popular opinion hereOverHeaven wrote:Nope, let's not get ahead of ourselves.Turambar wrote:..........and that is why Dragon Ball is the best Shounen anime of all time.
The episode was great only due to action and animation. (okay, I do hope this is not the only thing that you care about)
He worked on episode 5 lolMagmonKai wrote:That single episode topped 110 for me. Why couldn't that Tate guy work on DBS from the beginning? The show wouldn't have been even more awesome. Nothing to say but wow, such a good episode, too bad it's ending next week. What a bummer.
I'm still puzzled why people find it unacceptable for Android 17 to be that strong. When he was introduced he was stronger than SSJ1, so right out of the gate he was stronger than 100%-powered Frieza. Why is Frieza allowed to grow so much stronger in six months but not 17 in the decade since he was introduced?dragonball0900 wrote:I don't really know what to think of 17 being alive. It would have been more epic for only Frieza and Goku to be there. The two guys who were enemies between each other long ago working together. 17 being there takes that impact away a lot, at least for me. I also said time again before my thoughts about 17's crazy power up in Super, about how I dislike it, and making him outlasting Vegeta in the tournament seems weird, I did expect that from Frieza, being a powerful and important villian throughout the series, but from 17? Wow it's like watching a different show to be totally honest.
Goku had literally never met 17, EVER, until this arc.precita wrote:In Roshi's eyeglasses shot when he was talking about all the friends Goku was fighting for, I noticed these characters were absent:
Mr. Satan
Buu
Yajirobe
Android 17 (oddly enough)
Meanwhile Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Oolong/Puar were there. Also Roshi himself wasn't in the shot even though Roshi was the one speaking.
Because Frieza's power up had an explanation. His race was born like that and Frieza directly said that he would make big increases when training because of that. With 17 however, there was no statement whatsoever explaing his big power up, I understand if he gets stronger than SSJ3 and weaker than the God form, I would even tolerate if it was closer to the latter. But blue level? There are even lots of feats proving that and I just don't aprove of that.8bitdee wrote:I'm still puzzled why people find it unacceptable for Android 17 to be that strong. When he was introduced he was stronger than SSJ1, so right out of the gate he was stronger than 100% Frieza. Why is Frieza allowed to grow so much stronger in six months but not 17 in the decade since he was introduced?dragonball0900 wrote:I don't really know what to think of 17 being alive. It would have been more epic for only Frieza and Goku to be there. The two guys who were enemies between each other long ago working together. 17 being there takes that impact away a lot, at least for me. I also said time again before my thoughts about 17's crazy power up in Super, about how I dislike it, and making him outlasting Vegeta in the tournament seems weird, I did expect that from Frieza, being a powerful and important villian throughout the series, but from 17? Wow it's like watching a different show to be totally honest.
