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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:00 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:If they didn't make crystal clear that he was lying, then he probably told the true. I just don't see why it would mean Vegeta is above Super Saiyan God's level.
Simple math really.

For Beerus to use as much as a tenth of his power to nullify Vegeta's attack, it means he must account for a good chunk of his lower percentile strength. Also, once we take KK Blue into account and the fact Toriyama wants both of them to stay beneath Beerus, SS God Goku isn't anywhere close to his movie counterparts strength. This means every strength gain these two get needs to put them a LOT lower than Beerus for KK not to break everything.

Thus we have a situation like this:

Rageta: 5-7% of Beerus' power

Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 3-5% of Beerus' power
- 30-50% of Beerus' power (with Kaio-ken x10)

And Goku is quite a bit stronger in the tournament than he is when he fights Beerus as SSGod, hence why the Rageta thing is some of the most retarded shit the series has created power wise thus far.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:46 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:If they didn't make crystal clear that he was lying, then he probably told the true. I just don't see why it would mean Vegeta is above Super Saiyan God's level.
Simple math really.

For Beerus to use as much as a tenth of his power to nullify Vegeta's attack, it means he must account for a good chunk of his lower percentile strength. Also, once we take KK Blue into account and the fact Toriyama wants both of them to stay beneath Beerus, SS God Goku isn't anywhere close to his movie counterparts strength. This means every strength gain these two get needs to put them a LOT lower than Beerus for KK not to break everything.

Thus we have a situation like this:

Rageta: 5-7% of Beerus' power

Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 3-5% of Beerus' power
- 30-50% of Beerus' power (with Kaio-ken x10)

And Goku is quite a bit stronger in the tournament than he is when he fights Beerus as SSGod, hence why the Rageta thing is some of the most retarded shit the series has created power wise thus far.
It's unlikely that Super Saiyan God is under Beerus' 10%-level he used against Vegeta, given the multiple power-ups Beerus and Goku performed during their fight. If everything you stated mathematically is correct, then Super Saiyan God is just stronger than Super Saiyan Blue in the anime version. In fact, I believe the story trying to convince Goku hasn't surpassed Beerus yet is what creates this kind of confusion. Perhaps Kaioken allows Goku to accomplish that, but he doesn't think it's worth to take such a risk again. It was established it's a wrong way.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Rubens » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:16 pm

According to Herms's Fact Checker:
Minute: 22
Context: right after the above conversation
Whis: “Saying that you acknowledged Goku-san and would bring out 100% of your power was just a means of drawing out his full power. It was a lie, wasn’t it?”
Beerus: “You knew, didn’t you? Hmph.”
Significance: So according to this, Beerus never truly used his full power against Goku. In BoG it’s finally revealed he had only been fighting with 70% of his power, but in Super we don’t get anything so exact.
All it says is that what Beerus lied about was using his full power, nothing else points out that he lied about other references (at least I did't find it).
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:18 am

What numbers would you give the following characters:
1.Goku (Buu Saga)
2.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Pre RoSaT)
3.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Post RoSaT)
4.Goku (BoG)
5.Gotenks (BoG)
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:25 am

DBZ Macky wrote:What numbers would you give the following characters:
In units of millions:
Son Goku - 90
-- Super Saiyan - 4,500
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 36,000
Battle of Gods - 100
-- Super Saiyan - 5,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 40,000
-- not quite a Super Saiyan God - 400,000
-- Super Saiyan God - ?????? (not expressed in Battle Power? Well shit.)

Gotenks - 150
-- Super Saiyan - 7,500
Room of Spirit and Time - 300
-- Super Saiyan - 15,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 - 120,000
Battle of Gods - 200
-- Super Saiyan - 10,000

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ThePiccolo » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:49 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:What numbers would you give the following characters:
Son Goku (Boo Arc) - 75 million
Super Saiyan - 3.75 billion
Super Saiyan 2 - 7.5 billion
Super Saiyan 3 - 30 billion
Battle of Gods - 87.5 million
Super Saiyan - 4.375 billion
Super Saiyan 2 - 8.75 billion
Super Saiyan 3 - 35 billion

Gotenks - 500 million
Super Saiyan - 25 billion
Post RoSaT - 750 million
Super Saiyan - 37.5 billion
Super Saiyan 3 - 300 billion
Battle of Gods - 650 million
Super Saiyan - 32.5 million

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:37 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:What numbers would you give the following characters:
1.Goku (Buu Saga)
2.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Pre RoSaT)
3.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Post RoSaT)
4.Goku (BoG)
5.Gotenks (BoG)
Goku [Boo]: 80,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 32,000,000,000

Goku [BoG]: 100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 5,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 10,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 40,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God: 200,000,000,000,000
-- New base form: 200,000,000,000

Gotenks: 150,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000
-- Post RoSaT: 300,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 30,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 120,000,000,000

I don't believe Gotenks got weaker so he is the same in BoG.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:35 pm

Dragon Ball Battle Power List

POWER MULTIPLIERS
[spoiler]Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 150x
Super Saiyan 2 – 250x
Super Saiyan 3 – 1,000x[/spoiler]

Dragon Ball Minus
[spoiler]Bardock – 4,000
Oozaru – 40,000
Gine – 1,800
Oozaru – 18,000
Raditz – 300
Oozaru – 3,000
Kakarrot – 10
Oozaru – 100
King Vegeta – 10,000
Oozaru – 100,000
Vegeta – 4,500
Oozaru – 45,000
Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000

Jaco – 400[/spoiler]

Raditz Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307
Oozaru – 13,070

Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 160
Yajirobe – 150
Muten Roshi – 139
Max Power – 180

Kaio of the North – 4,000
Enma Daio – 2,000
Kami of Earth – 345
Mr. Popo – 300
Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]
Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000
Son Gohan – 981
Enraged – 1,307
Oozaru – 13,070
Piccolo – 3,000
Tenshinhan – 1,600
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 900
Yajirobe – 600

Saibaimen – 1,200
Nappa – 7,800
Oozaru – 78,000
Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]

Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000
Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 60,000
Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 15,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 13,000

Dende – 100
Power Unlocked – 1,000
Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000
Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Appule – 2,500
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 22,000
Zarbon – 23,000
Transformed – 28,750

Gurd – 6,000
Recoome – 42,000
Butta – 43,000
Jheese – 45,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000
In Goku's body – 23,000[/spoiler]
Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 30,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000
Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 2,500,000
Son Gohan – 200,000
Enraged – 950,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 1,900,000
Piccolo – 150,000
Merged with Nail – 1,500,000
Kuririn – 13,000
Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 1,000,000
Power-Up 1 – 1,150,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,400,000
Third Form – 2,000,000
True Form – 3,000,000
50% Power – 60,000,000
70% Power – 84,000,000
100% Power – 120,000,000[/spoiler]
Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 4,000,000
Super Saiyan – 200,000,000
Trunks – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000
Vegeta – 2,800,000
Piccolo – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 13,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 6,000
King Cold – 130,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 150,000,000[/spoiler]
Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 3,400,000
Super Saiyan – 170,000,000
Kid Trunks – 60,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000

Future Android 18 – 390,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000[/spoiler]

Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 6,000,000
Super Saiyan – 300,000,000

Vegeta – 6,300,000
Super Saiyan – 315,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 2,000,000,000
Trunks – 4,500,000
Super Saiyan – 225,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 19,000,000
Super Saiyan – 950,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,900,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 2,850,000,000

Piccolo – 150,000,000
Super Namekian – 400,000,000
Gohan – 3,000,000
Tenshinhan – 30,000
Kuririn – 20,000
Yamcha – 15,000
Chaozu – 8,000
Android 19 – 30,000,000
Post-absorption – 120,000,000
Android 20 – 40,000,000
Post-absorption – 130,000,000

Android 18 – 390,000,000
Android 17 – 400,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000
Cell – 250,000,000
Humans Absorbed – 500,000,000
Second Form – 1,000,000,000
Full Power – 1,400,000,000
Perfect Form – 2,800,000,000[/spoiler]

Cell Games Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan – 144,000,000
Super Saiyan – 7,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 38,000,000,000
Injured – 19,000,000,000
Son Goku – 128,000,000
Super Saiyan – 6,400,000,000
Vegeta – 96,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,800,000,000
Trunks – 92,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,600,000,000
Piccolo – 4,000,000,000
Mister Satan – 7
Cell Juniors – 5,000,000,000
Perfect Cell – 6,500,000,000
Power-Up – 8,000,000,000
Full Power – 10,000,000,000
Bulked Up – 15,000,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 20,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Future Arc II
[spoiler]Trunks – 92,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,600,000,000
3 Years Later – 105,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,250,000,000
Future Android 18 – 390,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000
Cell – 500,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 130,000,000
Super Saiyan – 6,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 32,500,000,000
Post-Z-Sword training – 150,000,000
Ultimate – 600,000,000,000
Son Goku – 160,000,000
Super Saiyan – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 160,000,000,000
Vegeta – 144,000,000
Super Saiyan – 7,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 36,000,000,000
After Babidi's power-up – 160,000,000
Super Saiyan – 8,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 40,000,000,000
Son Goten – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000

Trunks – 83,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,150,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Gotenks – 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 160,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 50,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 200,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000,000
Vegetto – 500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000,000

Piccolo – 6,000,000,000
Android 18 – 390,000,000
Tenshinhan – 40,000
Kuririn – 18,000
Yamcha – 12,000
Chaozu – 10,000
Mr. Satan – 6.66
Videl – 7.5
Post training – 8
Dende – 3,000
Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 80,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 6,500,000,000
Kaioshin of the West - 8,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the North - 10,000,000,000
Grand Kaioshin - 40,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the South - 80,000,000,000
Kibito-Kaioshin – 100,000,000,000

Bibidi - 10
Babidi – 10
Spopovich – 25
Yamu – 30
Pui Pui – 150,000
Yakon – 180,000,000
Dabra – 20,000,000,000

Majin Boo – 120,000,000,000
Good Boo – 40,000,000,000
Pure Evil Boo – 80,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 400,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 900,000,000,000
+ Gohan – 1,000,000,000,000
+ Piccolo, Goten, & Trunks – 416,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 450,000,000,000
Pure Boo – 150,000,000,000[/spoiler]
28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 180,000,000
Vegeta – 180,000,000
Son Goten – 100,000,000
Trunks – 100,000,000
Pan – 800,000
Mister Boo – 40,000,000,000
Mister Satan – 6
Oob – 10
Enraged – 150,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:32 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Dragon Ball Battle Power List
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Okay, so a few things jump out at me.
First off, Kuririn's the strongest earthling. Yamcha says so in the Boo arc. Promotional material for Battle of Gods and Resurrection F say so. Toriyama says so in some interview somewhere on this site. He should be stronger than Tenshinhan.

Secondly, as per Battle of Gods, Goku and the other, non-fused, non-Ultimate Saiyans should be weaker than Freeza in their base forms.

Third, Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as the regular Super Saiyan, not 5x stronger. That just seems unnecessarily bloated to me. Also, what's up with Gotenks' Super Saiyan increases?

Fourth, the future 'droids should be weaker than their present day counterparts. I typically stick them around the same level as Android Arc Goku and Vegeta, since Trunks is surprised how well Vegeta holds out against No. 18 while he still thinks she's the same as the one he knows from the future and not stronger.

This last one is more of a nitpick, but your format is a little hard to read. I'd recommend adding extra space in between characters, or perhaps putting their names in bold text. I also noticed while writing this that you tried to indent the character forms and power-ups using spaced. Unfortunately, it actually show up like that when you post. I'd recommend typing things up like this:
Son Goku - 100,000,000
--- Super Saiyan - 5,000,000,000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 10,000,000,000
--- Super Saiyan 3 - 40,000,000,000
[Some random made-up numbers.]

Vegeta - 99,000,000
--- Super Saiyan - 4,950,000,000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 9,900,000,000
--- Super Saiyan 3 - Ha! Yeah right!
[Vegeta's always lagging behind Goku.]

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:56 am

DBZ Macky wrote:What numbers would you give the following characters:
1.Goku (Buu Saga)
2.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Pre RoSaT)
3.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Post RoSaT)
4.Goku (BoG)
5.Gotenks (BoG)
Gonna just copy-paste right from my list, I suppose. In units of millions...
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by SSbardock84 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:01 pm

Saiyan Arc Power Levels

[spoiler]Against Raditz
Farmer- 5
Goku (Weights)- 334
Piccolo (Weights)- 322
Gohan- 1
Raditz- 1,248
Gohan Crying- 716
Goku- 416
Piccolo- 408
Goku's Kamehameha- 924
Piccolo's 1st Special Beam Canon- 1,330
Gohan Rage- 1,307
Piccolo's 2nd Special Beam Canon- 1,315
Master Roshi- 139
Krillin- 206
Tien Shinhan- 250
Yamcha- 177

Against Nappa
Piccolo- 3,500
Krillin- 1,770
Tien Shinhan- 1,830
Yamcha- 1,480
Gohan- 1,000
Chiaotzu- 610
Vegeta- 16,000
Nappa- 4,000
Saibamen- 1,200 each
Yamcha Kamehameha- 1,920
Krillin's Scatter Kamehameha- 2,400
Nappa Full Power- 6,000
Chiaotzu's Kamikaze- 820
Tien's Tri-Beam- 4,575
Krillin's Destructive Disc- 17,700
Gohan's Masenko- 2,800
Goku Suppressed- 5,000
Goku- Over 8,000
Goku Kaioken- 12,000

Against Vegeta
Goku- 8,000
Vegeta- 16,000
Goku Kaioken- 16,000
Vegeta Full Power- 18,000
Goku Kaioken x2- 16,000
Goku Kaioken x3- 24,000
Vegeta Galick Gun- 28,000
Goku Kaioken x3 Kamehameha- 28,000
Goku Kaioken x4- 32,000
Goku Kaioken x4 Kamehameha- 34,000
Vegeta (Injured)- 15,000
Goku (Injured)- 7,000
Vegeta (After Moon blast)- 10,000
Great Ape Vegeta- 100,000
Goku Spirit Bomb- 180,000
Gohan- 1,200
Krillin- 1,300
Yajirobe- 970
Vegeta Weakened- 9,000
Krillin Spirit Bomb- 18,000[/spoiler]

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:38 am

DBZ Macky wrote:What numbers would you give the following characters:
1.Goku (Buu Saga)
2.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Pre RoSaT)
3.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Post RoSaT)
4.Goku (BoG)
5.Gotenks (BoG)
In billions
1. Goku SS3 = 10
2. SS gotenks = 4
3. SS gotenks = 8 , SS3 gotenks = 20
4. Goku SS3 = 22
5. Gotenks SS3 = 20
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Post by dbgtFO » Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:57 am

DBZ Macky wrote:What numbers would you give the following characters:
1.Goku (Buu Saga)
2.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Pre RoSaT)
3.Gotenks (Buu Saga, Post RoSaT)
4.Goku (BoG)
5.Gotenks (BoG)
In units of millions:

1.
  • Base: 20.
  • Super Saiyan: 5,000.
  • Super Saiyan 2: 10,000.
  • Super Saiyan 3: 40,000.
2.
  • Base: 12,500.
  • Super Saiyan: 25,000.
3.
  • Base: 50,000.
  • Super Saiyan: 100,000.
  • Super Saiyan 2: 125,000.
  • Super Saiyan 3: 250,000.
4.
  • Super Saiyan 3: 48,000.
5.
  • Super Saiyan: 25,000.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ThePiccolo » Sat Oct 01, 2016 1:20 pm

So, I thought it would be a fun idea to try and create a power level list that tries to keep power levels as low as possible, while still keeping things like multipliers consistent. In order to do this, I'm ignoring pretty much every stated power level except the levels for the heroes at the beginning of Z. Again, this is just a list I threw together for fun. I'll be changing nearly all multipliers for transformations. I may make another list like this in the future without consistent multipliers, so please try not to judge this list on its multipliers, unless there's a way I can reduce a set multiplier. Feedback is appreciated.

My "Low as Possible" with Consistent Multipliers Power Level List

Multipliers
Oozaru - 5x base
SSJ - 40x base
SSJ Grade 2 - 1.25 x SSJ
SSJ Grade 3 - 1.75 x SSJ
SSJ2 - 2x SSJ
SSJ3 - 1.5x SSJ2
Fusion Dance - 7.5x Fighter with lower ki

Saiyan Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku (Weighted) - 334
Unweighted - 416
Kamehameha - 600

Piccolo (Weighted) - 322
Full Power - 408
Makankosappo (1st Try) - 850
Makankosappo (2nd Try) - 950

Raditz - 800
Injured - 600

Son Gohan - 1
Enraged - 850

Tenshinhan - 250
Kuririn - 206
Yamcha - 177
Chaozu - 145

King Enma - 1000
North Kaio - 1400

1 Year Later
Piccolo - 1350
Tenshinhan - 1000
Yamcha - 840
Chaozu - 500
Yajirobe - 600


Saibamen - 750
Nappa - 1750
Full Power - 2100

Son Goku - 2500
Kaioken x 2 - 5000
Kaioken x 3 - 7500
Kaioken x 4 - 10,000
Genki Dama - 25,000

Vegeta - 5600
Hurt from Kamehameha - 4000
Oozaru - 20,000
Post Oozaru - 3000
Post Genki Dama - 1600

Kuririn - 975
Weak Genki Dama - 5000
Son Gohan - 625
Enraged - 1450
Injured Oozaru - 2500[/spoiler]

Namek Arc
[spoiler]Kuririn - 1100
Potential Unlocked - 4200
Ginyu-Goku Fight - 7500
Son Gohan - 1250
Potential Unlocked - 4800
Ginyu-Goku Fight - 8000

Vegeta - 7500
Post Zarbon Zenkai - 9200
Post Recoome Zenkai - 38,000

Namekian Warriors (Suppressed) - 600 each
Full Power - 1500 each

Freeza Army - 700 each
Cui - 5650
Dodoria - 6250
Zarbon - 6600
Transformed - 9900

Recoome, Jeice, Burter and Nail - 12,000 each
Guldo - 3300

Ginyu - 21,000
In Goku's Body - 7200

Son Goku - 17,500
Kaioken x 2 - 35,000
In Ginyu's Body, Injured - 3500

Freeza (Suppressed) - 27,000[/spoiler]

Freeza Arc
[spoiler]Kuririn - 15,000
Son Gohan - 20,000
Enraged (VS Second Form Freeza) - 54,000
Zenkai - 30,000
Enraged (VS Third Form Freeza) - 84,000

Vegeta - 38,000
Zenkai - 125,000

Piccolo (Weighted) - 20,000
Post Nail Fusion, Weighted - 64,000
Full Power - 80,000

Freeza - 45,000
Second Form (Initial) - 60,000
Second Form, Full Power - 75,000
Third Form - 100,000
True Form (3%) - 165,000
True Form (50%) - 2,750,000
True Form (100%) - 5,500,000

Son Goku - 160,000
Kaioken x 10 - 1,600,000
Kaioken x 20 - 3,200,000
SSJ - 6,400,000[/spoiler]

Trunks Arc
[spoiler]Mecha Freeza - 3,200,000
Unseen Full Power - 6,400,000
King Cold - 4,000,000

Son Gohan - 28,000
Kuririn - 22,500
Tenshinhan - 12,000
Yamcha - 8000
Chaozu - 5,000

Vegeta - 145,000
Piccolo (Weighted) - 140,000

Trunks - 175,000
SSJ - 7,000,000

Son Goku - 195,000
SSJ - 7,800,000[/spoiler]

Android Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku - 230,000
SSJ - 9,200,000
SSJ with Heart Disease - 4,600,000
Vegeta - 235,000
SSJ - 9,400,000
Trunks - 205,000
SSJ - 8,200,000

Piccolo (Weighted) - 5,800,000
Full Power - 7,250,000

Son Gohan - 130,000
Kuririn - 100,000
Tenshinhan - 55,000
Yamcha - 30,000
Chaozu - 20,000

#19 - 4,200,000
Energy Absorbed - 5,500,000
Dr. Gero - 4,800,000
Energy Absorbed - 6,000,000

#18 - 12,500,000
#17 - 13,500,000

Kamicollo (Weighted) - 11,600,000
Full Power - 14,500,000
Post fighting #17 - 12,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 9,600,000
Humans Absorbed - 17,500,000
Semi Perfect Cell - 23,500,000
Full Power - 27,000,000
Perfect Form (Warming Up) - 39,000,000
Bulked Up - 50,000,000

#16 - 16,500,000

Shin Kikoho - 21,000,000

Vegeta - 650,000
SSJ - 26,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 32,500,000
Trunks - 600,000
SSJ - 24,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 30,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 - 42,000,000[/spoiler]

Cell Games
[spoiler]Son Goku - 2,200,000
50% SSJ - 44,000,000
SSJ - 88,000,000
Kamehameha - 100,000,000

Son Gohan - 2,750,000
SSJ - 110,000,000
SSJ2 - 220,000,000

Perfect Cell (VS Goku/Gohan) - 97,500,000
Full Power - 150,000,000
Bulked Up - 175,000,000
Super Perfect - 210,000,000

Vegeta - 1,700,000
SSJ - 68,000,000
Trunks - 1,600,000
SSJ - 64,000,000
Piccolo - 38,000,000

Cell Juniors - 72,000,000 each

Mr. Satan - 7

Back to the Future
#17 - 10,800,000
#18 - 10,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 15,000,000

Trunks - 1,600,000
SSJ - 64,000,000
Three Years Later - 1,900,000
SSJ - 78,000,000[/spoiler]

Boo Arc Part 1
[spoiler]Son Gohan - 2,100,000
SSJ - 84,000,000
25th Budokai - 2,350,000
SSJ - 94,000,000
SSJ2 - 188,000,000

Son Goten - 800,000
SSJ - 32,000,000
25th Budokai - 1,000,000
SSJ - 40,000,000
Trunks - 900,000
SSJ - 36,000,000
25th Budokai - 1,050,000
SSJ - 42,000,000

Son Goku - 3,250,000
SSJ - 130,000,000
SSJ2 - 260,000,000
SSJ3 - 390,000,000

Vegeta - 2,600,000
SSJ - 104,000,000
SSJ2 - 208,000,000
Majin SSJ - 130,000,000
Majin SSJ2 - 260,000,000

Piccolo (Weighted) - 40,000,000
Kaioshin - 70,000,000
Kibito - 2,250,000
#18 - 12,500,000
Kuririn - 82,000
Yamcha - 25,000

Mr. Satan - 6.5
Videl - 7.2
Post Training - 8

Spopovitch and Yamu - 10 each

Pui-Pui - 9,000
Yakon - 3,600,000
Dabura - 85,000,000

Majin Boo (Initial) - 200,000,000
Full Power - 325,000,000

Gotenks - 7,500,000
SSJ - 300,000,000[/spoiler]

Boo Arc Part 2
[spoiler] Good Boo - 140,000,000
Pure Evil Boo - 185,000,000

Goten and Trunks (Post Training) - 1,400,000 and 1,450,000 respectively
Gotenks - 10,050,000
SSJ - 420,000,000
SSJ3 - 1,280,000,000

Son Gohan (Z-Sword Training) - 4,075,000
Potential Unlocked - 1,630,000,000

Vegetto - 175,500,000
SSJ - 7,040,000,000

Evil Boo - 1,120,000,000
Gotenks Absorbed - 2,400,000,000
Piccolo and the boys Absorbed - 1,153,000,000
Gohan Absorbed - 2,750,000,000
Piccolo Absorbed - 1,170,000,000
Buff Boo - 1,500,000,000
Pure Boo - 390,000,000

Hypothetical Gogeta - 19,500,000
SSJ - 780,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,560,000,000
SSJ3 - 2,340,000,000

Tenshinhan - 68,000

Kibito Kai - 175,000,000
SSJ3 Goku - 390,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta - 208,000,000
Good Boo (Full Power) - 325,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:52 pm

How about some hypothetical scenarios?

What would the numbers be of:
- Tenshinhan and Kuririn after training together for one year in the RoSaT, in the window before the Cell Games.
- Yajirobe after training for a year with Kaio, after the Saiyan Arc.
- Tao Pai Pai and Chi-Chi, after receiving training from Kami for a year. Post-23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Everyone please post your before numbers and justify it to generate discussion. I think this is an interesting conversation to have.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:09 pm

LightBing wrote:How about some hypothetical scenarios?

What would the numbers be of:
- Tenshinhan and Kuririn after training together for one year in the RoSaT, in the window before the Cell Games.
- Yajirobe after training for a year with Kaio, after the Saiyan Arc.
- Tao Pai Pai and Chi-Chi, after receiving training from Kami for a year. Post-23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Everyone please post your before numbers and justify it to generate discussion. I think this is an interesting conversation to have.
I'll only talk about Tien and Krillin since I barely remember the DB stuff at the moment.

The ROSATs strength gains seem to rely on how well you use the time given to you and if you have a sparring partner with you. For example, Goku got about 10 times stronger from his pre-ROSAT power. Vegeta & Trunks about five times and Piccolo about three times stronger. The former two didn't train efficiently and Piccolo apparently went in by himself with no partner. The ROSAT also seems to yield greatly diminishing returns, likely because your body just gets used to it. However, since Tien and Krillin are inferior to Base Saiyan's, the ROSAT presents an added challenge for them that could result in pretty good strength gains.

So, under the hypothetical conditions of Tien and Krillin training their asses off, doing so efficiently and not dropping dead from the harsh conditions inside, here's where I think they'd be before and after:

Pre-ROSAT:

Krillin: 2.5 million
Tien: 1.8 million

Post-ROSAT:

Krillin: 12.5 million
Tien: 9 million
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:22 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
LightBing wrote:How about some hypothetical scenarios?

What would the numbers be of:
- Tenshinhan and Kuririn after training together for one year in the RoSaT, in the window before the Cell Games.
- Yajirobe after training for a year with Kaio, after the Saiyan Arc.
- Tao Pai Pai and Chi-Chi, after receiving training from Kami for a year. Post-23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Everyone please post your before numbers and justify it to generate discussion. I think this is an interesting conversation to have.
I'll only talk about Tien and Krillin since I barely remember the DB stuff at the moment.

The ROSATs strength gains seem to rely on how well you use the time given to you and if you have a sparring partner with you. For example, Goku got about 10 times stronger from his pre-ROSAT power. Vegeta & Trunks about five times and Piccolo about three times stronger. The former two didn't train efficiently and Piccolo apparently went in by himself with no partner. The ROSAT also seems to yield greatly diminishing returns, likely because your body just gets used to it. However, since Tien and Krillin are inferior to Base Saiyan's, the ROSAT presents an added challenge for them that could result in pretty good strength gains.

So, under the hypothetical conditions of Tien and Krillin training their asses off, doing so efficiently and not dropping dead from the harsh conditions inside, here's where I think they'd be before and after:

Pre-ROSAT:

Krillin: 2.5 million
Tien: 1.8 million

Post-ROSAT:

Krillin: 12.5 million
Tien: 9 million
I'm on the same boat as you relative to bigger returns with a partner. Vegeta apparently ignored Trunks during the training, so technically the only example for any sparing comparison is Goku and Gohan. Both who stayed there for less than a year, there was also a window of time where Gohan was useless until he got close enough to Goku.
With this in mind, I'm inclined to put them both getting at least 10 times stronger. Remembering that both of them always yield great gains, using the same training method as Goku. Sometimes even significantly better, although there's other factors adding to the equation in all of those situations.

Another question, you don't think either one would difference himself from the other? I want to give credit to Tenshinhan and have him close in on Kuririn.
It's kinda of baseless, since Tenshinhan was always ahead of Kurirn in the series and it stayed that way until Namek, with diverging paths. It's impossible to tell who's the bigger prodigy.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:33 pm

LightBing wrote:I'm on the same boat as you relative to bigger returns with a partner. Vegeta apparently ignored Trunks during the training, so technically the only example for any sparing comparison is Goku and Gohan. Both who stayed there for less than a year, there was also a window of time where Gohan was useless until he got close enough to Goku.
With this in mind, I'm inclined to put them both getting at least 10 times stronger. Remembering that both of them always yield great gains, using the same training method as Goku. Sometimes even significantly better, although there's other factors adding to the equation in all of those situations.

Another question, you don't think either one would difference himself from the other? I want to give credit to Tenshinhan and have him close in on Kuririn.
It's kinda of baseless, since Tenshinhan was always ahead of Kurirn in the series and it stayed that way until Namek, with diverging paths. It's impossible to tell who's the bigger prodigy.
He ignores Trunks the first time too? That definitely adds credence to the idea having a partner with you is beneficial. Do we know how many times Piccolo goes in? I'm assuming only once since the door didn't lock him out when he and Super Boo go inside.

Tien definitely has greater potential since Krillin can't even reach his level of power with a charged attack like the Scattershot. However, Namek did widen the gap considerably between the two of them. With that in mind, I say Tien could probably reach a power level roughly on par with Krillin's if the training went really well for him. He'd be the Trunks to Krillin's Vegeta.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:14 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
LightBing wrote:I'm on the same boat as you relative to bigger returns with a partner. Vegeta apparently ignored Trunks during the training, so technically the only example for any sparing comparison is Goku and Gohan. Both who stayed there for less than a year, there was also a window of time where Gohan was useless until he got close enough to Goku.
With this in mind, I'm inclined to put them both getting at least 10 times stronger. Remembering that both of them always yield great gains, using the same training method as Goku. Sometimes even significantly better, although there's other factors adding to the equation in all of those situations.

Another question, you don't think either one would difference himself from the other? I want to give credit to Tenshinhan and have him close in on Kuririn.
It's kinda of baseless, since Tenshinhan was always ahead of Kurirn in the series and it stayed that way until Namek, with diverging paths. It's impossible to tell who's the bigger prodigy.
He ignores Trunks the first time too? That definitely adds credence to the idea having a partner with you is beneficial. Do we know how many times Piccolo goes in? I'm assuming only once since the door didn't lock him out when he and Super Boo go inside.

Tien definitely has greater potential since Krillin can't even reach his level of power with a charged attack like the Scattershot. However, Namek did widen the gap considerably between the two of them. With that in mind, I say Tien could probably reach a power level roughly on par with Krillin's if the training went really well for him. He'd be the Trunks to Krillin's Vegeta.
He does. I think Piccolo only goes in once, not really sure.
Was there a scounter reading for the scatter-shot? I don't remember that. Even if it was, charged attacks aren't good measurements for potential. The techniques vary wildly depending on their nature.
The only steady comparison I can remember is the Kamehameha. Tenshinhan learned it immediately upon seeing it once, while Kuririn had witness it many times before, but if I remembered correctly only tried to pull it off during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, he did it decently (I'm going from memory, the details are foggy).
So it seems Tenshinhan is more keen to learn techniques, which is one of the parameters used in the series to demonstrate potential.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:25 pm

LightBing wrote:He does. I think Piccolo only goes in once, not really sure.
Was there a scounter reading for the scatter-shot? I don't remember that. Even if it was, charged attacks aren't good measurements for potential. The techniques vary wildly depending on their nature.
The only steady comparison I can remember is the Kamehameha. Tenshinhan learned it immediately upon seeing it once, while Kuririn had witness it many times before, but if I remembered correctly only tried to pull it off during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, he did it decently (I'm going from memory, the details are foggy).
So it seems Tenshinhan is more keen to learn techniques, which is one of the parameters used in the series to demonstrate potential.
I remember Daizenshuu 7 giving Krillin's maximum power at around 1770, I don't know if that's for the scatter-shot or that's his default strength but if it's his default, then he's fairly close to Tien's 1830.

One way I can see Tien making big strength gains and possibly coming really close to Krillin again is if his gains mirror those of Piccolo's. During the three-year-training, Goku gets stronger but not overwhelmingly so, I don't even think he's twice as strong as he was when he fought Freeza. Piccolo, however, makes vast gains in strength, almost reaching Super Saiyan levels of power in the process. I believe this is because he spent a long time fighting against a stronger opponent and got bigger gains because of it.

It's like a student fighting his master, the master doesn't have to exert much strength at all to beat the pupil until the gap starts to close between them while the student has to constantly push himself to close said gap. That's how I can see Tien potentially catching up to and possibly even surpassing Krillin, something that gets more likely as Tien seems much more driven to train than Krillin usually is.
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