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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:50 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:And then there's me, that couldn't come out with anything lower than 250'000'000 for buu saga goku using the x50 mult, even if I try.
Lol.
If I try with that x50 mult, it always comes to be in the 250-300 millions range.
Seems like I'm allergic to have him under 120 millions kek
It Is really impossibile to have them all below freezer level, even lowballing if you do everything well.
Plus, just remember that base m12 Gohan oneshotted freezer :^)
From that (enormous lowball) :
Freezer 70% = 84 millions
Gohan = 100 millions
Vegeta = 120 millions
Goku = 150 millions
Just a thing. We don't know what percentage of power Frieza was using. He could have used 50% for all we know. As for base saiyans vs Frieza, I made my own power level list, and I managed to put the base saiyans below Frieza just fine, without anything wrong with it. You just have to remember that a x1.3333 difference in power is enough to stomp an opponent easily (like Vegeta vs Cui). Just using gaps like that will work well in putting the saiyans below Frieza in base.
The point is that I sure use that gaps, obviously I do, but it can't simply happen cause of ssj2 Gohan and super perfect cell.
The thing most people fails to comprehend is that Gohan trasforming in ssj2 got a ragebosot as well, so in that occasion it isn't x2 ssj but more, counting he was injuried when he transformed and passed from get beaten by cell to dominate buff cell, who's much stronger than a regular perfect cell speaking of power level. Counting that, Gohan ssj2 comes out to be certainly more than 10 billions, so ssj2 buu saga goku and then base buu saga goku > freezer.it is just a consequence.
BTW, the movie scaling I've posted was a sort of bait, I personally don't use that because it's stupid, considering the movie's scaling.
Allow me to further prove my point and let you all comprehend me better with a scale :
(Unities of billions)
Ssjfp goku = 5
Ssjfp Gohan = 6, injured = 4
Perfect cell (vs goku) = 5,5
Perfect cell (fullpower) = 11
Buff cell (lowball) = 16,5-19,8 (mult : x1,5-x1,8 . same as ultra ssj in usual lowballs)
Buff cell (highball, following EMS) = 55
Gohan ssj2 + rage (low ball) = 24 (assumig he's 4'800 kiri), 27 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)
Gohan ssj2 + rage (highball) = 72 (assuming he's 4'800 kiri), 81 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)

At that point, with buu saga ssj2 goku being 6'000 kiri, it would make him :
30 in lowball and 90 in highball, making his buu saga base respectively 300 or 900 millions.
this would make him much, much stronger than namec freezer.

I hope I've explained my point and proved it, and that you liked my explanation as well.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Vertical » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:29 pm

p-hyvo wrote:I hope I've explained my point and proved it, and that you liked my explanation as well.
You're not proving anything because you would need to show how you got Goku at 5 billion in the first place.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I am simply pointing that out.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:25 am

p-hyvo wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:And then there's me, that couldn't come out with anything lower than 250'000'000 for buu saga goku using the x50 mult, even if I try.
Lol.
If I try with that x50 mult, it always comes to be in the 250-300 millions range.
Seems like I'm allergic to have him under 120 millions kek
It Is really impossibile to have them all below freezer level, even lowballing if you do everything well.
Plus, just remember that base m12 Gohan oneshotted freezer :^)
From that (enormous lowball) :
Freezer 70% = 84 millions
Gohan = 100 millions
Vegeta = 120 millions
Goku = 150 millions
Just a thing. We don't know what percentage of power Frieza was using. He could have used 50% for all we know. As for base saiyans vs Frieza, I made my own power level list, and I managed to put the base saiyans below Frieza just fine, without anything wrong with it. You just have to remember that a x1.3333 difference in power is enough to stomp an opponent easily (like Vegeta vs Cui). Just using gaps like that will work well in putting the saiyans below Frieza in base.
The point is that I sure use that gaps, obviously I do, but it can't simply happen cause of ssj2 Gohan and super perfect cell.
The thing most people fails to comprehend is that Gohan trasforming in ssj2 got a ragebosot as well, so in that occasion it isn't x2 ssj but more, counting he was injuried when he transformed and passed from get beaten by cell to dominate buff cell, who's much stronger than a regular perfect cell speaking of power level. Counting that, Gohan ssj2 comes out to be certainly more than 10 billions, so ssj2 buu saga goku and then base buu saga goku > freezer.it is just a consequence.
BTW, the movie scaling I've posted was a sort of bait, I personally don't use that because it's stupid, considering the movie's scaling.
Allow me to further prove my point and let you all comprehend me better with a scale :
(Unities of billions)
Ssjfp goku = 5
Ssjfp Gohan = 6, injured = 4
Perfect cell (vs goku) = 5,5
Perfect cell (fullpower) = 11
Buff cell (lowball) = 16,5-19,8 (mult : x1,5-x1,8 . same as ultra ssj in usual lowballs)
Buff cell (highball, following EMS) = 55
Gohan ssj2 + rage (low ball) = 24 (assumig he's 4'800 kiri), 27 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)
Gohan ssj2 + rage (highball) = 72 (assuming he's 4'800 kiri), 81 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)

At that point, with buu saga ssj2 goku being 6'000 kiri, it would make him :
30 in lowball and 90 in highball, making his buu saga base respectively 300 or 900 millions.
this would make him much, much stronger than namec freezer.

I hope I've explained my point and proved it, and that you liked my explanation as well.
I have Gohan getting a rage boost on the CG and I still manage to have Freeza > base Goku just fine.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:26 am

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p-hyvo wrote:I hope I've explained my point and proved it, and that you liked my explanation as well.
You're not proving anything because you would need to show how you got Goku at 5 billion in the first place.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I am simply pointing that out.
It's just a starting point cause I didn't want to spam a wall of power levels, so I've started from where it counted to explain my point
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:26 am

ZombieVito wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote: Just a thing. We don't know what percentage of power Frieza was using. He could have used 50% for all we know. As for base saiyans vs Frieza, I made my own power level list, and I managed to put the base saiyans below Frieza just fine, without anything wrong with it. You just have to remember that a x1.3333 difference in power is enough to stomp an opponent easily (like Vegeta vs Cui). Just using gaps like that will work well in putting the saiyans below Frieza in base.
The point is that I sure use that gaps, obviously I do, but it can't simply happen cause of ssj2 Gohan and super perfect cell.
The thing most people fails to comprehend is that Gohan trasforming in ssj2 got a ragebosot as well, so in that occasion it isn't x2 ssj but more, counting he was injuried when he transformed and passed from get beaten by cell to dominate buff cell, who's much stronger than a regular perfect cell speaking of power level. Counting that, Gohan ssj2 comes out to be certainly more than 10 billions, so ssj2 buu saga goku and then base buu saga goku > freezer.it is just a consequence.
BTW, the movie scaling I've posted was a sort of bait, I personally don't use that because it's stupid, considering the movie's scaling.
Allow me to further prove my point and let you all comprehend me better with a scale :
(Unities of billions)
Ssjfp goku = 5
Ssjfp Gohan = 6, injured = 4
Perfect cell (vs goku) = 5,5
Perfect cell (fullpower) = 11
Buff cell (lowball) = 16,5-19,8 (mult : x1,5-x1,8 . same as ultra ssj in usual lowballs)
Buff cell (highball, following EMS) = 55
Gohan ssj2 + rage (low ball) = 24 (assumig he's 4'800 kiri), 27 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)
Gohan ssj2 + rage (highball) = 72 (assuming he's 4'800 kiri), 81 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)

At that point, with buu saga ssj2 goku being 6'000 kiri, it would make him :
30 in lowball and 90 in highball, making his buu saga base respectively 300 or 900 millions.
this would make him much, much stronger than namec freezer.

I hope I've explained my point and proved it, and that you liked my explanation as well.
I have Gohan getting a rage boost on the CG and I still manage to have Freeza > base Goku just fine.
Then something isn't OK, simple
I've checked your power levels linked down your message :

1) what's that x1,66 boost for trunk's ssj grade 3? Use a better multiplier, I can't see it. Grade 2's multiplier is too high too.
2) both Vegeta and trunks as ssj have to be a bit stronger than semi cell
3) why is piccolo that much weaker than trunks at the start of the saga?
Allow me to fix your power levels :
(Unities of millions)
I'd rise trunks ssj a bit, let's say to 245. Piccoloil 225 then.
That makes :
C17 450
C18 420
C16 540
Cell 550
Semi cell 1'000, FP 1'250
Trunks ssj 1'400, grande 3 2'520
Vegeta ssj 1'500, grade 2 1'800
Perfect cell initial 1'670, adapted 2'400
Goku Ssj, 50% 3'000 (He was stronger gohan trunks g3 and surprise everyone)

Cell games
Goku 120 , ssj 6'000
Gohan 145 , Ssj 7'250, injured 5'400, ssj2 + rage 27'000 (5'400 kiri)
Cell vs goku 6'500, FP 13'000, buff 23'400, SPC 24'000 (4'800 kiri)
Vegeta 96, Ssj 4'800
Trunks 84, Ssj 4'200
Piccolo 3'800
That woul make buu saga ssj2 goku 30'000,and 300 in his base. I'm not fixing your buu saga too, you can do it yourself.
Plus, I've noticed you completely disregard the kiri scaling : just why thought? It is important.
Your buu saga power levels are a mess cause of this.
I've proved my point.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:11 am

p-hyvo wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:
The point is that I sure use that gaps, obviously I do, but it can't simply happen cause of ssj2 Gohan and super perfect cell.
The thing most people fails to comprehend is that Gohan trasforming in ssj2 got a ragebosot as well, so in that occasion it isn't x2 ssj but more, counting he was injuried when he transformed and passed from get beaten by cell to dominate buff cell, who's much stronger than a regular perfect cell speaking of power level. Counting that, Gohan ssj2 comes out to be certainly more than 10 billions, so ssj2 buu saga goku and then base buu saga goku > freezer.it is just a consequence.
BTW, the movie scaling I've posted was a sort of bait, I personally don't use that because it's stupid, considering the movie's scaling.
Allow me to further prove my point and let you all comprehend me better with a scale :
(Unities of billions)
Ssjfp goku = 5
Ssjfp Gohan = 6, injured = 4
Perfect cell (vs goku) = 5,5
Perfect cell (fullpower) = 11
Buff cell (lowball) = 16,5-19,8 (mult : x1,5-x1,8 . same as ultra ssj in usual lowballs)
Buff cell (highball, following EMS) = 55
Gohan ssj2 + rage (low ball) = 24 (assumig he's 4'800 kiri), 27 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)
Gohan ssj2 + rage (highball) = 72 (assuming he's 4'800 kiri), 81 (assuming he's 5'400 kiri)

At that point, with buu saga ssj2 goku being 6'000 kiri, it would make him :
30 in lowball and 90 in highball, making his buu saga base respectively 300 or 900 millions.
this would make him much, much stronger than namec freezer.

I hope I've explained my point and proved it, and that you liked my explanation as well.
I have Gohan getting a rage boost on the CG and I still manage to have Freeza > base Goku just fine.
Then something isn't OK, simple
I've checked your power levels linked down your message :

1) what's that x1,66 boost for trunk's ssj grade 3? Use a better multiplier, I can't see it. Grade 2's multiplier is too high too.
2) both Vegeta and trunks as ssj have to be a bit stronger than semi cell
3) why is piccolo that much weaker than trunks at the start of the saga?
Allow me to fix your power levels :
(Unities of millions)
I'd rise trunks ssj a bit, let's say to 245. Piccoloil 225 then.
That makes :
C17 450
C18 420
C16 540
Cell 550
Semi cell 1'000, FP 1'250
Trunks ssj 1'400, grande 3 2'520
Vegeta ssj 1'500, grade 2 1'800
Perfect cell initial 1'670, adapted 2'400
Goku Ssj, 50% 3'000 (He was stronger gohan trunks g3 and surprise everyone)

Cell games
Goku 120 , ssj 6'000
Gohan 145 , Ssj 7'250, injured 5'000, ssj2 + rage 36'000 (4'800 kiri)
Cell vs goku 6'500, FP 13'000, buff 23'400, SPC 33'000 (4'400 kiri)
Vegeta 96, Ssj 4'800
Trunks 84, Ssj 4'200
Piccolo 3'800
Cell Jrs 6'500
That woul make buu saga ssj2 goku 45'000,and 450 in his base.
Plus, I've noticed you completely disregard the kiri scaling : just why thought? It is important.
Your buu saga power levels are a mess cause of this.
Just put dabra at 4'440 kiri, making him a perfect 33'300, and SSJ (he was ssj, not ssj2 against dabra) at 2'200 kiri/ 15'000 (he was in difficulty facing a dabra that was suppressed.)
Goku 450
Vegeta 360
Gohan 300
Gohan (beginning of buu saga) 95
trunks 77
goten 75
Shin 6'000 (EMS says he's = ssj goku from cell games)
Kibito 100
Moreover, I've noticed something : what kind of multiplier do you use for gotenks? It is absolutely wrong.Everyone was more shocked in seeing base gotenks than in seeing ssj trunks, for that base gotenks > ssj trunks is a fact.
Other important thing is that everyone believed more in ssj gotenks beating buu than in ssj3 goku doing it, so :
Goku (post showdown with majin Vegeta) and Vegeta post majin 500
Ssj3 goku 200'000
Fat buu 180'000
Goten 75
Gotenks (goten x60) 4'500
Ssj gotenks 225'000

For fusion saga, I simply put ssj gotten and trunks at ±1,25x cell jrs because of dbs manga having them go even with them.so:

Goten 160
Trunks 168
Gotenks 9'600
Ssj3 3'840'000
Super buu 3'160'000
Gohan (trained with z sword) 3'950 (shin said he might beat fat buu as a ssj) , mystic 4'740'000 (x1'200)
Buutenks 7'000'000
Buuhan 7'900'000
Dimensional vice shout 316'000'000
Vegetto (sum x 7'800) = 7'800'000
Ssj 390'000'000

Then, because kid buu > super buu, is the case to boost goku "a bit", making his ssj3 being a little weaker than kid buu.

Kid buu (simply [super buu + buutenks]/2, ruoded up) 5'000'000
Goku 11'000, ssj3 4'400'000
Kibitoshin (sum x150) 915'000 (he was weaker than a ssj2 for sure and said to be useless against super buu)

That's how it works.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:15 pm

Feels like I entered into a time machine.

I have to have this and that. No, I don't since there's no official multiplier for SSG3 or Gohan's anger boost to give an example.

I disagree with everything on your post.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:17 pm

ZombieVito wrote:Feels like I entered into a time machine.

I have to have this and that. No, I don't since there's no official multiplier for SSG3 or Gohan's anger boost to give an example.

I disagree with everything on your post.
Ssg3?
Anyway, the rageboost depensd on How do You scale buff cell obviously.
Moreover, You committed multiple errore that I've noticed and writes upwards, and odd numbers too.
Just why You didn't use the ultra ssj's multiplier on top of cell to find buff cell? It is the same form, same characteristics and drawbacks. Is more than sensed using the same multiplier of ultra ssj on top of perfect cell for It.
and again, you should use the kiri thing, because without it is a mess. A complete mess.
And gotenks being an horrible and low number times gotten is just wrong, you can't just defend that thing because EVERY and I say EVERY media that has ever talked about metamorian fusion said it is more that that, and even the manga tells that by implying base gotenks > ssj trunks , judging by the reactions of piccolo and the others in seeing first ssj goten and trunks then base gotenks. That clearly showcased the superiority of gotenks on ssj goten/trunks.
Trust me, just skip odd numbers like x1,33 or 1,66, just no one uses such numbers.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Vertical » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:54 pm

p-hyvo wrote: It's just a starting point cause I didn't want to spam a wall of power levels, so I've started from where it counted to explain my point
I understand that you do not wish to spam a wall... but if you don’t show how you got to 5 billion then people can just disagree that Goku is 5 billion... and you’d have to show them how you got there anyway.

You don’t have to show all levels, just relevant ones.

[Namek] SSJ Goku
Mecha Freeza
- - -
SSJ Trunks
[Post-Yardrat] SSJ Goku
- - -
[Sick] SSJ Goku
SSJ Vegeta
18
17
16
[Initial] [2nd Form] Cell
[Full Power] [2nd Form] Cell
SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta
[Initial] Perfect Cell
SSJ Grade 3 Trunks
[50%] SSJ Goku
[Cell Games] SSJ Goku

That’s all you really need to show to get to [CG] SSJ Goku.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:40 pm

Vertical wrote:
p-hyvo wrote: It's just a starting point cause I didn't want to spam a wall of power levels, so I've started from where it counted to explain my point
I understand that you do not wish to spam a wall... but if you don’t show how you got to 5 billion then people can just disagree that Goku is 5 billion... and you’d have to show them how you got there anyway.

You don’t have to show all levels, just relevant ones.

[Namek] SSJ Goku
Mecha Freeza
- - -
SSJ Trunks
[Post-Yardrat] SSJ Goku
- - -
[Sick] SSJ Goku
SSJ Vegeta
18
17
16
[Initial] [2nd Form] Cell
[Full Power] [2nd Form] Cell
SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta
[Initial] Perfect Cell
SSJ Grade 3 Trunks
[50%] SSJ Goku
[Cell Games] SSJ Goku

That’s all you really need to show to get to [CG] SSJ Goku.
OK bro, let's do it

Namek] SSJ Goku 127'500'000 (he was injured when the transformation occurred, and wasn't all that distant from freezer

Mecha Freeza 159'000'000 (suppressed : 94'500'000 or 95'400'000, I don't remember)
- - -
SSJ Trunks 127'500'000 (same as ssj goku on namecc)
[Post-Yardrat] SSJ Goku 180'000'000
- - -
[Sick] SSJ Goku at least 200'000'000 (town was surprised of him, so it must be stronger than post yardrat ssj goku), ssj goku (not sick) 300'000'000
SSJ Vegeta 240'000'000
Ssj trunks 220'000'000
Piccolo 200'000'000
18 380'000'000
17 400'000'000
16 480'000'000
Cell 500'000'000
[Initial] [2nd Form] Cell 800'000'000
[Full Power] [2nd Form] Cell 1'000'000'000
SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta 1'500'000'000
[Initial] Perfect Cell 1'380'000'000
SSJ Grade 3 Trunks 1'890'000'000
50%] SSJ Goku 2'500'000'000
[Cell Games] SSJ Goku 5'000'000'000

Or else, i can just copypase the list. i madre earlier today (the numbers for namecc and post yardrat doesn't change) :

(Unities of millions)
trunks ssj 245
Piccolo 225
C17 450
C18 420
C16 540
Cell 550
Semi cell 1'000, FP 1'250
Trunks ssj 1'400, grande 3 2'520
Vegeta ssj 1'500, grade 2 1'800
Perfect cell initial 1'670, adapted 2'400
Goku Ssj, 50% 3'000 (He was stronger than trunks g3 and surprise everyone)

Cell games
Goku 120 , ssj 6'000

The second one is more thought and better done IMO. Anyway, I provided you both.
If you want, from the second I can provide you the continuation, with cell games and buu saga.
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Post by Vertical » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:01 pm

p-hyvo wrote: The second one is more thought and better done IMO. Anyway, I provided you both.
If you want, from the second I can provide you the continuation, with cell games and buu saga.
I'm not interested in either. Like I said, I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with you, just noting you needed to show how you got from [Namek] Goku to the Cell Games in order to prove anything.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Vertical wrote:
p-hyvo wrote: The second one is more thought and better done IMO. Anyway, I provided you both.
If you want, from the second I can provide you the continuation, with cell games and buu saga.
I'm not interested in either. Like I said, I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with you, just noting you needed to show how you got from [Namek] Goku to the Cell Games in order to prove anything.
OK that's fine then.
Just to know, what do you think of the other critics I moved to zombievito's power levels? I want to know your thoughts about this.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Vertical » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:56 pm

p-hyvo wrote:Just to know, what do you think of the other critics I moved to zombievito's power levels? I want to know your thoughts about this.
Sure thing. I will comment on your critiques. Specifically your critiques, I won't be diving into Vito's list.
p-hyvo wrote:1) what's that x1,66 boost for trunk's ssj grade 3? Use a better multiplier, I can't see it. Grade 2's multiplier is too high too.
Completely subjective.
p-hyvo wrote:2) both Vegeta and trunks as ssj have to be a bit stronger than semi cell
Incorrect. SSJ Vegeta only has to be equal to [Initial] Semi-Perfect Cell but can be stronger.
p-hyvo wrote:3) why is piccolo that much weaker than trunks at the start of the saga?
I agree, Piccolo should be much closer to the Super Saiyans.
p-hyvo wrote:Allow me to fix your power levels :
Super arrogant/obnoxious.

Also, when Vito commented on "SSG3", that would be Super Saiyan Grade 3.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:42 pm

Vertical wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:Just to know, what do you think of the other critics I moved to zombievito's power levels? I want to know your thoughts about this.
Sure thing. I will comment on your critiques. Specifically your critiques, I won't be diving into Vito's list.
p-hyvo wrote:1) what's that x1,66 boost for trunk's ssj grade 3? Use a better multiplier, I can't see it. Grade 2's multiplier is too high too.
Completely subjective.
p-hyvo wrote:2) both Vegeta and trunks as ssj have to be a bit stronger than semi cell
Incorrect. SSJ Vegeta only has to be equal to [Initial] Semi-Perfect Cell but can be stronger.
p-hyvo wrote:3) why is piccolo that much weaker than trunks at the start of the saga?
I agree, Piccolo should be much closer to the Super Saiyans.
p-hyvo wrote:Allow me to fix your power levels :
Super arrogant/obnoxious.

Also, when Vito commented on "SSG3", that would be Super Saiyan Grade 3.
I can sound arrogant sometimes, I don't know why but I act like this on this cases.
ssj vegeta sure has to be stronger than semi cell, trunks was surprised of him going grade 2 against semi cell because he believed Vegeta could win without that. And, considering that the difference between him and Vegeta isn't that much, I don't see why ssj trunks can't be a little stronger than semi cell too.

For the gaps I can give it to you, but you see, no one in my country uses x1,33 or x1,66 gaps, so to me are unusual and kinda odd/ugly to see.
Usually, in I my country, good scalers do 2 things : ssj grade 2 is usually ssj x1,2-x1,25, meanwhile grade 3 is or ssj x1,8 or , following EMS and calculating a bit, ssj x5.
It is unusual to me seeing ssj grade 2 as ssj x1,5 , and even stranger seeing ssj grade 3 as grade 2 x1,66. We just don't use to do that, usually , grade 3 is calculated on top of normal ssj and not on grade 2.

I can say that I'm sure arrogant sometimes, but I get cocky when I come to someone that doesn't even wants to hear any advice and believes that he's work is perfect when it's not. I have seen people like this before, and it didn't go well at all because of their attitude.
maybe i just have a wrong attitude sometimes, but that's because I'm part autistic. That's not even my fault totally, I just can't evade to act like this in such occasions.
That was just to explain myself and to not seem a complete asshole to who don't know me, even if I know I maybe leaved this impression yet.
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Post by p-hyvo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:44 pm

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ZombieVito wrote:Feels like I entered into a time machine.

I have to have this and that. No, I don't since there's no official multiplier for SSG3 or Gohan's anger boost to give an example.

I disagree with everything on your post.
there Is an official multiplier for grade 3, right from el manga legendario.
It says that ssj g3 has a physical strength 10 times stronger than the previous stage, and dissecting the multiplier into the 3 statistics goku quoted explaining kaioken, g3 cones to be x5 ssj if g2 is ssj x1,2.
Doing your way, ssj g2 is ssj x1,5 so x75.
x25 each stat, becomes :
250 strength
10 speed
40 (just to have a clean number) resistance

Total : x300 , or x6 ssj

Here it is, ssg3 multiplier following your base and EML.
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Post by Vertical » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:27 pm

p-hyvo wrote: ssj vegeta sure has to be stronger than semi cell, trunks was surprised of him going grade 2 against semi cell because he believed Vegeta could win without that. And, considering that the difference between him and Vegeta isn't that much, I don't see why ssj trunks can't be a little stronger than semi cell too.
SSJ Vegeta does not have to be stronger than [Initial] Semi-Perfect Cell, he can be equal and Trunks would still be surprised he was transforming so soon. They both can be stronger... I personally have Vegeta/Trunks closer to [Full Power] Semi-Perfect Cell myself... but like I said, he doesn't have to be stronger.

p-hyvo wrote: For the gaps I can give it to you, but you see, no one in my country uses x1,33 or x1,66 gaps, so to me are unusual and kinda odd/ugly to see.
Usually, in I my country, good scalers do 2 things : ssj grade 2 is usually ssj x1,2-x1,25, meanwhile grade 3 is or ssj x1,8 or , following EMS and calculating a bit, ssj x5.
It is unusual to me seeing ssj grade 2 as ssj x1,5 , and even stranger seeing ssj grade 3 as grade 2 x1,66. We just don't use to do that, usually , grade 3 is calculated on top of normal ssj and not on grade 2.
As far as I saw, Vito was using:
Grade 2: 1.5 x SSJ
Grade 3: 2.5 x SSJ

Both of which seem anything but ugly to me... even if I do not agree with them.

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Post by p-hyvo » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:47 am

Vertical wrote:
p-hyvo wrote: ssj vegeta sure has to be stronger than semi cell, trunks was surprised of him going grade 2 against semi cell because he believed Vegeta could win without that. And, considering that the difference between him and Vegeta isn't that much, I don't see why ssj trunks can't be a little stronger than semi cell too.
SSJ Vegeta does not have to be stronger than [Initial] Semi-Perfect Cell, he can be equal and Trunks would still be surprised he was transforming so soon. They both can be stronger... I personally have Vegeta/Trunks closer to [Full Power] Semi-Perfect Cell myself... but like I said, he doesn't have to be stronger.

p-hyvo wrote: For the gaps I can give it to you, but you see, no one in my country uses x1,33 or x1,66 gaps, so to me are unusual and kinda odd/ugly to see.
Usually, in I my country, good scalers do 2 things : ssj grade 2 is usually ssj x1,2-x1,25, meanwhile grade 3 is or ssj x1,8 or , following EMS and calculating a bit, ssj x5.
It is unusual to me seeing ssj grade 2 as ssj x1,5 , and even stranger seeing ssj grade 3 as grade 2 x1,66. We just don't use to do that, usually , grade 3 is calculated on top of normal ssj and not on grade 2.
As far as I saw, Vito was using:
Grade 2: 1.5 x SSJ
Grade 3: 2.5 x SSJ

Both of which seem anything but ugly to me... even if I do not agree with them.
The ugly thing Is the x1,66 gap in between these numbers, not the numbers themselves.
Ah, as I've explained, it's kinda odd to me to see g3 calculated that way, cause it's unusual.no one really uses that multiplier, plus he has kinda uncomfortable numbers to work with IMO.
The worst thing about hisultipliers is gotenks anyway, as I explained in a previous post. Uh, and the fact he don't use g³'s multiplier to calculate the buff form of perfect cell , when he would have to because buff cell = ssjg3.
considering that the 2 forms are peculiar and has the same characteristics, I just can't she why he wouldn't use she same multiplier on top of cell to calculate it.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:50 am

p-hyvo wrote:there Is an official multiplier for grade 3, right from el manga legendario.
It says that ssj g3 has a physical strength 10 times stronger than the previous stage
It should be said the original Japanese version doesn’t have that information. Only the Spanish version added it. So, if people want to dismiss it, they could.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:57 am

Hugo Boss wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:there Is an official multiplier for grade 3, right from el manga legendario.
It says that ssj g3 has a physical strength 10 times stronger than the previous stage
It should be said the original Japanese version doesn’t have that information. Only the Spanish version added it. So, if people want to dismiss it, they could.
Isn't that a Spanish guide in the first place? Toe original release is what matters
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:21 am

p-hyvo wrote:
Hugo Boss wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:there Is an official multiplier for grade 3, right from el manga legendario.
It says that ssj g3 has a physical strength 10 times stronger than the previous stage
It should be said the original Japanese version doesn’t have that information. Only the Spanish version added it. So, if people want to dismiss it, they could.
Isn't that a Spanish guide in the first place? Toe original release is what matters
No, it’s Japanese. And it was translated to Spanish and French. The Spanish translation added this multiplier to the form.

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