Koitsukai wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:53 pm
But is GT Goku really stronger than DBS Goku?
GT Vegeta is definitely not stronger than DBS Vegeta who at one point was enough for SS3 Gotenks just in base.
Actually BoG Vegeta is stronger than GT Vegeta, his SS2 was stronger than Goku's SS3, while in GT his SS failed to take down Professor SS Gohan and base Playboy Goten (Goku in base took both his SS kids down without trouble).
The main reason being that in GT he already stopped keeping up with Goku(until episode 59 or 60) while in Super, Goku is the one needing to keep up with him.
There I have to bring up the point that, by scaling and being rildo>buu in general, from the m2 mini arc everyone in gt is strong enough to beat the entire a verse.
Rildo alone when suppressed was stronger than buu in goku's eyes, hyper mega Rildo is easily at least x3 suppressed Rildo, larval form baby was strong enough to kill him and steal his power and still base Goten was stronger than an older and stronger baby than the one who killed Rildo.
Speaking of buu, goku bringing him in the comparison without further specifying what buu he means to be, means he's speaking about buu in general, so his strongest form is the one compared to rildo, that being enraged Buchan who forced vegeta to go all out to stop him.
Gt has just a nonsense scaling , everyone is strong enough just to drive the story on, regardless of that strength on that character is nonsense or not. Logic doesn't really apply on it, if you try you'll just fuck up the facts and bend them to your will, and that means to not scale it the right way.
Said so, I don't disagree with the " gt goku isn't necessarily stronger than dbs goku" point.
Simply , they took different ways : one,with god ki, one without. I'm not that one is necessarily stronger than the other, imo battle of gods meta fits inside s17 arc in comparison to gt, and anyone at least as strong as suppressed jiren from dbs so 110 is stronger than ananyone seen in gt basing on feats.
Plus, as I already said, the 2 series have really different mechanics and, moreover, multipliers. The problems started with that : gt may have higher bases, but has muuch lower multipliers, while super could have lower bases, but it's advantage is in the muuch higher multipliers for god forms and the fusion retcon. Things that should at least counterbalance the difference in base forms, even if you don't consider the feats to be valid how someone here appears to stupidly do.
And I'm talking as a fan of gt, just being a bit objective here
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying