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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:51 am

ZombieVito wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:14 am
Koitsukai wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:40 pm
ZombieVito wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:38 pm
Let's see some Boo arc numbers!
Goku:
-- Base= 100 M
-- SS3= 40,000 M

Super Boo: 50,000 M
-- Piccolo, Goten, Trunks absorbed = 53,000 M
-- Gotenks absorbed = 105,000 M
-- Gohan absorbed = 123,000 M

Gohan:
-- After Z Sword: 100 M
-- Ultimate: 70,000 M

Vegetto (highball to match in base SS3 Goku):
-- Base= 40,000 M (with a x4 stealth kaioken like in Namek he can trash Buuhan like in the anime)
-- Super Saiyan= 2,000,000 M
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Vegetto (lowball to match in base SS2 Goku)
--Base= 10.000 M
-- Super Saiyan= 500.000 M
Very interesting. I tried to come up with post Z sword Gohan's power but decided to just say fuck it and made him equal to Goku.

I also made SS3 Gotenks and Super Boo equal since the latter said no one surpassed him before he felt Ultimate Gohan's power.

P.S. I also made base Vegetto = SS3 Goku. Bloody hell.
I think it's the most logical thing to assume: Gohan gets a zenkai after surviving Buu + trains with the highest of gods with a legendary sword until he breaks it. I don't think he was that far from his father to begin with, Gohan 70 M and Goku 100 M.

I consider Gotenks and Buu pretty much equals but what tilts the scale to me is the final portion of the fight, I believe he is a bit stronger. Maybe just as strong as Buuccolo.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:56 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:51 am
I think it's the most logical thing to assume: Gohan gets a zenkai after surviving Buu + trains with the highest of gods with a legendary sword until he breaks it. I don't think he was that far from his father to begin with, Gohan 70 M and Goku 100 M.

I consider Gotenks and Buu pretty much equals but what tilts the scale to me is the final portion of the fight, I believe he is a bit stronger. Maybe just as strong as Buuccolo.
I don't know. Boo's dialogue implies he was only surpassed by Gohan.
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:44 pm

That dialogue does imply he wasn't going all out against Gotenks, I guess you could say that perhaps the parity was disrupted by Buu letting his guard down and was saved by the time limit of the fusion.

But by the end of the fight Buu just wants it to stop, he is getting stomped and can't even react to it. Piccolo also said Buu wasn't happy with how the fight was going. I don't know, I watch that fight and feel like if Gotenks didn't fool around so much, he could've finished the fight earlier.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:34 pm

I was planning on doing my own version of this. I'd love if you'd check it out and talk about some of my readings with me.

personally I think some things were low balled a little too much but nothing overwhelmingly low. Overall not bad

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:45 pm

Mad Swami wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:34 pm
I was planning on doing my own version of this. I'd love if you'd check it out and talk about some of my readings with me.

personally I think some things were low balled a little too much but nothing overwhelmingly low. Overall not bad
Share it with us, people will be happy to comment on it.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:21 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:45 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:34 pm
I was planning on doing my own version of this. I'd love if you'd check it out and talk about some of my readings with me.

personally I think some things were low balled a little too much but nothing overwhelmingly low. Overall not bad
Share it with us, people will be happy to comment on it.
great! Will do as soon as I can

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kenneth La Torre » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:15 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:44 pm
That dialogue does imply he wasn't going all out against Gotenks, I guess you could say that perhaps the parity was disrupted by Buu letting his guard down and was saved by the time limit of the fusion.

But by the end of the fight Buu just wants it to stop, he is getting stomped and can't even react to it. Piccolo also said Buu wasn't happy with how the fight was going. I don't know, I watch that fight and feel like if Gotenks didn't fool around so much, he could've finished the fight earlier.
Super Buu was always confident in his power, even in situations when he was extremly outclassed by the fighter. heck, In the anime (probably the manga as well) He had lines where he stated Vegito cant beat him, and we know how that situation unfolded.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:31 pm

Alright well let's get it out of the way. These are not official and don't take them as fact. take this as my interpretation of comments and the manga itself. The way I will organize my power levels is by doing categories. No chronological order simply categories in which I detail every form of the character. So here are my Multipliers
SSJ1 (Initial): 30xStrength 20xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 2): 35xStrength 15xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 3): 45xStrength 5xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 4/Mastered): 25xStrength 25xSpeed
SSJ2: 50xStrength 50xSpeed
SSJ3: 200xStrength 200xSpeed
Now quickly before I get in let me clarify. Basically this grade system I made is a way to explain how I feel the SSJ grades work. I've made a post on it already but to quickly explain I just can't buy any SSJ1 grade get's a multiplier higher than 50 since x50 is always what SSJ1 is described as. So I think the grades just distribute the power differently. Again not saying this is fact just my thoughts. With that out of the way let's start, with the Cell saga.

CELL SAGA
Frieza and King Cold
Mecha Frieza: Frieza seems confident he can take Namek Goku. I take this statement as Frieza's current power could rival Namek Goku who as a SSJ had a power level of 150,000,000. I would say Frieza is still his inferior but could put up a damn good fight. Frieza=145,000,000
King Cold: King Cold is said to be very relative to Frieza. The way he is talked about implies he is slightly stronger than Frieza. King Cold=148,000,000
Sayians
Goku (Yardrat): Goku has spent a year training on Yardrat. However most of his training was learning instant transmission and spirit control. Because of this I would say he would increase a fair amount. Goku=3,600,000
Goku(Yardrat)(SSJ1): 50X3,600,000= 180,000,000
Goku (Three years trained): Goku trained for three full years in preparation for the androids. He had a training partner in the form of Piccolo and a student of sorts in the form of Gohan. Because of this I would say Goku has a fairly decent increase but does not have perfect training due to him mostly focusing on preparing Piccolo and Gohan. Goku still increases in strength a fair bit. Goku=6,000,000
Goku(Three years trained)(SJJ1): 6,000,000X50= 300,000,000
Goku (Heart Virus)(SSJ1): Goku lost a lot of power from the heart virus. I would say he was performing at 20%. Goku=60,000,000
Goku(HTC training): Goku increased in strength during his time with Gohan in the chamber. While training Goku=10,650,000
Goku (SSJ1)(Grade 2):10,650,000X50=532,500,000. The ratio is 35/15 Making a good amount of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,650,000X50=532,500,000.The ratio is 45/5 Making most of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(Post HBTC): Goku had spent a good while in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and had risen to a great level of power. Goku as a SSJ1 is a worthy enough adversary for Cell but not quite near his full power. Goku= 17,600,000
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 4):17,600,000X50=880,000,000
Vegeta(Badman): Vegeta acknowledges Goku and Trunks as his superiors. Vegeta=3,000,000
Vegeta(Three years trained): Vegeta had spent three years of rigorous training to match Goku and Trunks as the two fueled his rage. Vegeta managed to unlock SSJ1 and had reclaimed his position as second place. Vegeta=5,800,000
Vegeta(Three years trained)(SSJ1): 5,800,000X50=290,000,000
Vegeta(Post HTC): Vegeta enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to finally surpass Goku. Vegeta=10,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 2): Vegeta when turning SSJ1 surpasses all androids and was for a short while the current strongest warrior. 10,500,000X50=525,000,000. The ratio is 35/15. This means most of the Vegeta's power is distributed to his strength.
Vegeta(Post HTC V2): Vegeta after witnessing Goku's immense power decides to re-enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and grow. In doing so Vegeta rises back to being more comparable to Goku. Vegeta=17,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,000,000X50=850,000,000
Trunks: Trunk's arrives and posses power comparable to Goku on Namek. Trunks however is slightly stronger.Trunks=3,160,000
Trunks(SSJ1):3,160,000X50=158,000,000
Trunks(Return): Trunks in his own future gained strength through his training and constant fight for survival. However Trunk's had no trainng partner and didn't have to much time to focus on himself. Trunks=5,240,000
Trunks(Return)(SSJ1): 5,240,000X50= 262,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with his father as the two help eachother grow in strength. Trunks is stated to be nearly as strong as Vegeta. Trunks=10,250,000
Trunks(SSJ1)(Grade 2):=10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 35/15. So the actual power levels are more scewed to making Trunks stronger.
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 45/5. So most of the multiplication goes to Trunk's strength boosting him into a higher leauge.
Trunks(Post HTC V2): Trunk's inspired by Gohan's advancements and dedication to protect the past leads to him re entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Trunks was behind Vegeta before and I would assume stayed that way as he advanced. Trunks=16,800,000
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 4): Trunks like the other Saiyans had mastered the SSJ1 form. 16,800,000X50=840,000,000
Gohan: Gohan last on Namek has a Battle power of 200,000. Gohan is not a active trainer so probably progressed very slightly. Gohan=225,000
Gohan(Three years trained): Gohan had really decided to give it his all as he trained with Goku and Piccolo for three years preparing for the androids. Gohan's power rises a large amount by the end. Gohan=3,450,000
Gohan(HTC training): Gohan really pushes himself when entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Goku. There Gohan finally learns SSJ1. Gohan=6,225,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 1): 6,225,000X50=311,250,000
Gohan(Post HTC): Gohan by the end of his training stood as the strongest Z-fighter. Even stronger than Goku. However still not as strong as Cell as shown when they fight. Gohan=17,700,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,700,000X50=885,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2):885,000,000X2=1,770,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2)(Rage boost): Gohan's anger had always been a powerful tool. In this instance it had helped Gohan surpass Cell even after Cell's monsterious power up. Gohan=1,900,000,000
Others
Piccolo: Piccolo was behind Vegeta by a fair amount on Namek. Piccolo over the year after has shrunk the gap a bit.
Piccolo=2,400,000
Piccolo(Three years trained): Piccolo had trained over the three years with Goku as Goku helped push Piccolo to new heights and limits as Piccolo had risen to power comparable to a SSJ1. Piccolo=218,000,000
Piccolo(Three years trained)(Full Power): Piccolo=225,000,000
Piccolo(Kami fusion): Piccolo merged with Kami and grew in power. Piccolo's power rivaled Android 17. Piccolo=350,000,000
Piccolo(Post HTC): Piccolo in preparation for Cell had entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber growing far beyond in power.
Piccolo=550,000,000
Tien: Tien is a proud and dedicated warrior. Tien spends nearly every waking moment training. Tien spent the most time out of any Z-fighter training with King Kai. Tien=900,000
Tien(Three years trained): Tien is a man of action and is a character who gets the job done. Tien said he would train and prepare and he did. However Tien mostly spent time preparing the Shin Kikoho (Neo Tri-Beam). Tien=2,100,000
Tien(Cell Games): Tien had spent time getting marginally stronger. Tien=3,000,000
Yamcha: Yamcha may be everybody's favorite punching bag but at this point Yamcha wasn't a complete joke. Yamcha trained with King Kai and did train frequently. Yamcha=450,000
Yamcha(Three years trained): Yamcha trained alone for three years in preparation for the androids. However Yamcha didn't have the ideal training set up. Yamcha=320,000
Yamacha(Cell Games): Yamcha did not progress much. Yamcha=325,000
Krillin: Krillin before returning home had an advantage of having his potential unlocked by Guru. This had put Krillin at 75,000 on Namek. However with consistant training Krillin managed to rise even further beyond. Krillin=640,000
Krillin(Three years trained): Krillin agreed to be ready fro when the androids arrive. He gave it his all and had a decent increase.
Krillin=880,000
Krillin(Cell Games): Krillin progressed verry little. Krillin=885,000
Androids
Dr Gero: Dr Gero was an android and one with a power level even greater than Frieza. Dr Gero=180,000,000
Android 19: Android 19 was Dr Gero's right hand man and was releative in power. However he was slightly weaker.
Android 19=165,000,000
Android 19 (SSJ energy absorbed): Android 19 syphoned some of Goku's power and rose slightly in his own strength.
Android 19=175,000,000
Android 18: Android 18 was more powerful than all SSJ's. Android 18=330,000,000
Android 17: Android 17 was 18's superior. Android 17=350,000,000
Android 16: Android 16 was the strongest Android, his power was far greater than the others. Android 16=425,000,000
Cell
Cell(first form): Cell at this point was weaker than most heroes. I would say Cell would still be stronger than Dr Gero. Cell=190,000,000
Cell(Vs Piccolo): Cell had absorbed many people and had grown in strength enough to rival Piccolo. Cell was however weaker as Piccolo never removed his weighted clothing and Cell used his wit to escape. Cell=228,000,000
Cell(Vs Android 17): Cell at this point was far stronger than any other warrior, except Android 16. Cell=425,000,000
Cell(Semi perfect): Cell had grown stronger than every warrior, even Android 16. Cell=500,000,000
Cell(Perfect): Cell after absorbing both androids had rissen to his perfect state. Perfect Cell=900,000,000 Now most people might be confused on how Perfect cell and Grade 3 Trunks can be so different. Well the point I make with the grade is that Power Levels aren't simply how strong someone is. It refers to how strong and fast they are. (Working theory)
Cell(Grade 3): Cell had simply distributed his power differently. Cell grade 3=900,000,000
Cell(Super Perfect): 900,000,000X2=1,800,000,000
BUU SAGA
Saiyans
Goku: Goku has spent seven years training in Otherworld. However his training was mostly to ascend to SSJ2 like his son. When Goku turns SSJ2 Vegeta remarks that Goku outputs even more power than his even greater than Gohan's. Assuming he's referring to Gohan with his rage boost, Goku as an SSJ2 would have to be above 1,900,000,000. I would say Goku's power is not leauges above and is slightly stronger. Goku=19,300,000
Goku(SSJ1): 19,300,000X50=965,000,000
Goku(SSJ2): 965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Goku(SSJ3): 1,930,000,000X4=7,720,000,000
Vegeta: Vegeta seeing Goku and his raw power admits even in SSJ2 Goku is still stronger. Vegeta=18,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1): 18,500,000X50=925,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ2):18,500,000X50=1,850,000,000
Vegeta(Majin): Vegeta corrupted by Babidi was Goku's equal. They have a perfectly even match as SSJ2's. this means Vegeta=19,300,000
Vegeta(SSJ1):19,300,000X50=b]965,000,000[/b]
Vegeta(SSJ2):965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Gohan: Gohan is rusty. Gohan is regarded has being much weaker than he was against Cell. However he can't be leagues below what he used to be due to his fight against Dabura. Gohan=15,250,000
Gohan(SSJ1): 15,250,000X50=762,500,000
Gohan(SSJ2):762,500,000X2=1,525,000,000
Gohan(Potential Unleashed): Gohan rises greatly in power, rises so much so to where he is the strongest unfused warrior. Gohan=23,240,000,000
Trunks: Trunks' power as an SSJ1 is comparable to Frieza. asuming he is his equal this means Trunks' power is 120,000,000 divided by 50. Trunks=2,400,000
Trunks(SSJ1): Already clarified. Trunks=120,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks increases a fair amount. I would say he gains a 20% increase meaning 2,400,000+480,000. Trunks=2,880,000
Trunks(SSJ1): 2,880,000X50=144,000,000
Goten: Goten is nearly as strong as Trunks. However is still a bit weaker. Goten=2,380,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,380,000X50=119,000,000
Goten(Post HTC): I would say Goten recives the same 20% increase. 2,380,000+467,000=2,856,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,856,000X50=142,800,00
Gotenks: Gotenks initially appears as a SSJ1 Gotenks is very strong, nearly the strongest warrior there. However not as strong as he needs to be as he is far weaker than Fat Buu which is shown as he performs about as well as SSJ2 Gohan. Gotenks=30,450,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):30,500,000X50=1,522,500,000
Gotenks(Post HTC): Gotenks grows pretty high after Trunks and Goten's time in the chamber. Gotenks=38,655,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):38,655,000X50=1,932,750,000
Gotenks(SSJ3): 1,932,750,000X8=15,462,000,000
Vegito: Vegito's base has no feats to convey his strength. Vegito immediately uses SSJ against Buuhan and then completley dominates him. This means Vegito's base is lower than Buuhan but not by 50x. Base Vegito is incredibly hard to pinpoint but thanks to super I might have an answer. Gogeta has been ret-coned to work exactly like Vegito. Which means rules about Gogeta's power applies to Vegito in Z. Base Gogeta is SSJ Blue level in the Broly movie, which indicates that the base of the fused warrior is equal to the peak of the fusees. Which would mean in Z Vegito is SSJ3 Goku level. I would say Vegito is slightly stronger however. Vegito=10,250,000,000
Vegito(SSJ1):10,250,000,000X50=512,500,000,000
Majin Buu's
Fat Buu: Buu is strong. Far stronger than the likes of Dabura and by proxy Cell. He is stronger than all except SSJ3 Goku. I would say Goku is a fair bit stronger and would rank Fat Buu as a bit lower. Buu=5,840,000,000
Fat Buu(Evil dispelled): Fat Buu receives a portion of his original power. However he is regarded as receiving less of the complete total he once posses. Buu=2,410,000,000
Evil Buu: Evil Buu receives the other portion of the power. Buu=3,430,000,000
Super Buu: Evil Buu absorbs Fat Buu gaining his power and then some. Buu=15,462,000,000
Buutenks: Buu in desperation combines with Gotenks growning significantly in strength. He even surpasses Gohan, by a good bit also. In their fight Gohan is fighting on the backfoot barley able to survive as Buu mostly toys with the Saiyan. I would say the absorbtion combined the equal power of Gotenks and Buu and added to it. Buu=34,125,000,000
Buucolo: Buu loses a good portion of his power. However people grossly down play Buucolo and Piccolo's power. Buucolo I would say is stronger than Gotenks however still under Gohan. Buu=18,240,000,000
Buuhan: Buu absorbs Gohan growing in power far beyond what ever was. Buuhan was around 2x the strength of Buutenks give or take. Buuhan=96,540,000,000
Buuhan(Enraged): Buuhan taps into Gohan's immense power drawn from his anger as he rises nearly matching Vegito as an SSJ. Buuhan=506,860,000,000
Kid Buu: Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu however weaker than Goku SSJ3. People usally rank Goku and Kid Buu as equals. However I think Kid Buu was able to fight on nearly even ground due to his durrability and regeneration. Not to mention Goku had stamina issues so struggled to maintain his form a bit. Buu=6,520,000,000
Others
Krillin: Krillin doesn't fight much any more. I would say he is probably weaker than he was ten years ago. Krillin=780,000
Android 18: Android 18 trains lightly and still contains the modifications making her able to grow in strength. Android 18=510,000,000
Tien: Tien spends every day training. However his spirits were kind of crushed back in the Cell saga(honestly such a bummer). Tien never had the same drive so probably increased moderately. Tien=3,500,000
Yamcha: Yamcha like Krillin has left behind his fighting life and has moved on as he now focuses only on baseball. Yamcha for this reason would be weaker than what he used to be. Yamcha=300,000
Piccolo: Piccolo is seriously underestimated at this point. Piccolo does nothing but train. Literally nothing else. Piccolo has already proven how strong he can get. I would say at this point Piccolo is almost as strong as SSJ1's. However can not compete with SSJ2s. Piccolo=885,000,000
Shin: Now before I begin, more on Piccolo. Piccolo for the most part opted out of the fight with Shin due to respect for his authority. However in saying that, Shin is actually stronger and is also greatly underestimated. Just because he is surprised by the strength of mortals doesn't mean much. Shin=915,000,000
Kibito: Kibito is stated to be very powerful. Rivaling SSJ1 Gohan. However Gohan as SSJ1 is implied to be a bit stronger. Kibito=565,000,000
Kibito Kai: Kibito and Shin fuse permently into a warrior with a really impressive amount of power for a non saiyan character. Kibito Kai however can not surpass Vegeta as SSJ2. Kibito Kai=1,625,000,000
Pui Pui: Pui Pui is pretty weak, nothing really special. Pui Pui=340,000
Yakon: Yakon is stated to have a power equal to 800 Kili. 1 kili is equal to 50,000 battle power. So 800X50,000=Yakon. Yakon=40,000,000
Dabura: Dabura is stated to rival Cell in power. We see first hand when Gohan fights Dabura where they stand. For the most part the two seem evenly matched with Gohan being slightly stronger. Dabura=1,518,000,000

And with that, I am done. It is a little messy. For the most part I'm happy with Saiyans and villains. However the Human characters were really hard to pin point. However I think it's a decent list. Now tear it and myself apart :cry:

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:42 pm

Kenneth La Torre wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:15 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:44 pm
That dialogue does imply he wasn't going all out against Gotenks, I guess you could say that perhaps the parity was disrupted by Buu letting his guard down and was saved by the time limit of the fusion.

But by the end of the fight Buu just wants it to stop, he is getting stomped and can't even react to it. Piccolo also said Buu wasn't happy with how the fight was going. I don't know, I watch that fight and feel like if Gotenks didn't fool around so much, he could've finished the fight earlier.
Super Buu was always confident in his power, even in situations when he was extremly outclassed by the fighter. heck, In the anime (probably the manga as well) He had lines where he stated Vegito cant beat him, and we know how that situation unfolded.
The line your referring to is Buuhan happily boasting about his newfound power. He was basing his judgment off of a metamoran fusion. Not that you were wrong just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:40 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:31 pm
Alright well let's get it out of the way. These are not official and don't take them as fact. take this as my interpretation of comments and the manga itself. The way I will organize my power levels is by doing categories. No chronological order simply categories in which I detail every form of the character. So here are my Multipliers
SSJ1 (Initial): 30xStrength 20xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 2): 35xStrength 15xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 3): 45xStrength 5xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 4/Mastered): 25xStrength 25xSpeed
SSJ2: 50xStrength 50xSpeed
SSJ3: 200xStrength 200xSpeed
Now quickly before I get in let me clarify. Basically this grade system I made is a way to explain how I feel the SSJ grades work. I've made a post on it already but to quickly explain I just can't buy any SSJ1 grade get's a multiplier higher than 50 since x50 is always what SSJ1 is described as. So I think the grades just distribute the power differently. Again not saying this is fact just my thoughts. With that out of the way let's start, with the Cell saga.

CELL SAGA
Frieza and King Cold
Mecha Frieza: Frieza seems confident he can take Namek Goku. I take this statement as Frieza's current power could rival Namek Goku who as a SSJ had a power level of 150,000,000. I would say Frieza is still his inferior but could put up a damn good fight. Frieza=145,000,000
King Cold: King Cold is said to be very relative to Frieza. The way he is talked about implies he is slightly stronger than Frieza. King Cold=148,000,000
Sayians
Goku (Yardrat): Goku has spent a year training on Yardrat. However most of his training was learning instant transmission and spirit control. Because of this I would say he would increase a fair amount. Goku=3,600,000
Goku(Yardrat)(SSJ1): 50X3,600,000= 180,000,000
Goku (Three years trained): Goku trained for three full years in preparation for the androids. He had a training partner in the form of Piccolo and a student of sorts in the form of Gohan. Because of this I would say Goku has a fairly decent increase but does not have perfect training due to him mostly focusing on preparing Piccolo and Gohan. Goku still increases in strength a fair bit. Goku=6,000,000
Goku(Three years trained)(SJJ1): 6,000,000X50= 300,000,000
Goku (Heart Virus)(SSJ1): Goku lost a lot of power from the heart virus. I would say he was performing at 20%. Goku=60,000,000
Goku(HTC training): Goku increased in strength during his time with Gohan in the chamber. While training Goku=10,650,000
Goku (SSJ1)(Grade 2):10,650,000X50=532,500,000. The ratio is 35/15 Making a good amount of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,650,000X50=532,500,000.The ratio is 45/5 Making most of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(Post HBTC): Goku had spent a good while in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and had risen to a great level of power. Goku as a SSJ1 is a worthy enough adversary for Cell but not quite near his full power. Goku= 17,600,000
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 4):17,600,000X50=880,000,000
Vegeta(Badman): Vegeta acknowledges Goku and Trunks as his superiors. Vegeta=3,000,000
Vegeta(Three years trained): Vegeta had spent three years of rigorous training to match Goku and Trunks as the two fueled his rage. Vegeta managed to unlock SSJ1 and had reclaimed his position as second place. Vegeta=5,800,000
Vegeta(Three years trained)(SSJ1): 5,800,000X50=290,000,000
Vegeta(Post HTC): Vegeta enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to finally surpass Goku. Vegeta=10,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 2): Vegeta when turning SSJ1 surpasses all androids and was for a short while the current strongest warrior. 10,500,000X50=525,000,000. The ratio is 35/15. This means most of the Vegeta's power is distributed to his strength.
Vegeta(Post HTC V2): Vegeta after witnessing Goku's immense power decides to re-enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and grow. In doing so Vegeta rises back to being more comparable to Goku. Vegeta=17,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,000,000X50=850,000,000
Trunks: Trunk's arrives and posses power comparable to Goku on Namek. Trunks however is slightly stronger.Trunks=3,160,000
Trunks(SSJ1):3,160,000X50=158,000,000
Trunks(Return): Trunks in his own future gained strength through his training and constant fight for survival. However Trunk's had no trainng partner and didn't have to much time to focus on himself. Trunks=5,240,000
Trunks(Return)(SSJ1): 5,240,000X50= 262,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with his father as the two help eachother grow in strength. Trunks is stated to be nearly as strong as Vegeta. Trunks=10,250,000
Trunks(SSJ1)(Grade 2):=10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 35/15. So the actual power levels are more scewed to making Trunks stronger.
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 45/5. So most of the multiplication goes to Trunk's strength boosting him into a higher leauge.
Trunks(Post HTC V2): Trunk's inspired by Gohan's advancements and dedication to protect the past leads to him re entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Trunks was behind Vegeta before and I would assume stayed that way as he advanced. Trunks=16,800,000
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 4): Trunks like the other Saiyans had mastered the SSJ1 form. 16,800,000X50=840,000,000
Gohan: Gohan last on Namek has a Battle power of 200,000. Gohan is not a active trainer so probably progressed very slightly. Gohan=225,000
Gohan(Three years trained): Gohan had really decided to give it his all as he trained with Goku and Piccolo for three years preparing for the androids. Gohan's power rises a large amount by the end. Gohan=3,450,000
Gohan(HTC training): Gohan really pushes himself when entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Goku. There Gohan finally learns SSJ1. Gohan=6,225,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 1): 6,225,000X50=311,250,000
Gohan(Post HTC): Gohan by the end of his training stood as the strongest Z-fighter. Even stronger than Goku. However still not as strong as Cell as shown when they fight. Gohan=17,700,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,700,000X50=885,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2):885,000,000X2=1,770,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2)(Rage boost): Gohan's anger had always been a powerful tool. In this instance it had helped Gohan surpass Cell even after Cell's monsterious power up. Gohan=1,900,000,000
Others
Piccolo: Piccolo was behind Vegeta by a fair amount on Namek. Piccolo over the year after has shrunk the gap a bit.
Piccolo=2,400,000
Piccolo(Three years trained): Piccolo had trained over the three years with Goku as Goku helped push Piccolo to new heights and limits as Piccolo had risen to power comparable to a SSJ1. Piccolo=218,000,000
Piccolo(Three years trained)(Full Power): Piccolo=225,000,000
Piccolo(Kami fusion): Piccolo merged with Kami and grew in power. Piccolo's power rivaled Android 17. Piccolo=350,000,000
Piccolo(Post HTC): Piccolo in preparation for Cell had entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber growing far beyond in power.
Piccolo=550,000,000
Tien: Tien is a proud and dedicated warrior. Tien spends nearly every waking moment training. Tien spent the most time out of any Z-fighter training with King Kai. Tien=900,000
Tien(Three years trained): Tien is a man of action and is a character who gets the job done. Tien said he would train and prepare and he did. However Tien mostly spent time preparing the Shin Kikoho (Neo Tri-Beam). Tien=2,100,000
Tien(Cell Games): Tien had spent time getting marginally stronger. Tien=3,000,000
Yamcha: Yamcha may be everybody's favorite punching bag but at this point Yamcha wasn't a complete joke. Yamcha trained with King Kai and did train frequently. Yamcha=450,000
Yamcha(Three years trained): Yamcha trained alone for three years in preparation for the androids. However Yamcha didn't have the ideal training set up. Yamcha=320,000
Yamacha(Cell Games): Yamcha did not progress much. Yamcha=325,000
Krillin: Krillin before returning home had an advantage of having his potential unlocked by Guru. This had put Krillin at 75,000 on Namek. However with consistant training Krillin managed to rise even further beyond. Krillin=640,000
Krillin(Three years trained): Krillin agreed to be ready fro when the androids arrive. He gave it his all and had a decent increase.
Krillin=880,000
Krillin(Cell Games): Krillin progressed verry little. Krillin=885,000
Androids
Dr Gero: Dr Gero was an android and one with a power level even greater than Frieza. Dr Gero=180,000,000
Android 19: Android 19 was Dr Gero's right hand man and was releative in power. However he was slightly weaker.
Android 19=165,000,000
Android 19 (SSJ energy absorbed): Android 19 syphoned some of Goku's power and rose slightly in his own strength.
Android 19=175,000,000
Android 18: Android 18 was more powerful than all SSJ's. Android 18=330,000,000
Android 17: Android 17 was 18's superior. Android 17=350,000,000
Android 16: Android 16 was the strongest Android, his power was far greater than the others. Android 16=425,000,000
Cell
Cell(first form): Cell at this point was weaker than most heroes. I would say Cell would still be stronger than Dr Gero. Cell=190,000,000
Cell(Vs Piccolo): Cell had absorbed many people and had grown in strength enough to rival Piccolo. Cell was however weaker as Piccolo never removed his weighted clothing and Cell used his wit to escape. Cell=228,000,000
Cell(Vs Android 17): Cell at this point was far stronger than any other warrior, except Android 16. Cell=425,000,000
Cell(Semi perfect): Cell had grown stronger than every warrior, even Android 16. Cell=500,000,000
Cell(Perfect): Cell after absorbing both androids had rissen to his perfect state. Perfect Cell=900,000,000 Now most people might be confused on how Perfect cell and Grade 3 Trunks can be so different. Well the point I make with the grade is that Power Levels aren't simply how strong someone is. It refers to how strong and fast they are. (Working theory)
Cell(Grade 3): Cell had simply distributed his power differently. Cell grade 3=900,000,000
Cell(Super Perfect): 900,000,000X2=1,800,000,000
BUU SAGA
Saiyans
Goku: Goku has spent seven years training in Otherworld. However his training was mostly to ascend to SSJ2 like his son. When Goku turns SSJ2 Vegeta remarks that Goku outputs even more power than his even greater than Gohan's. Assuming he's referring to Gohan with his rage boost, Goku as an SSJ2 would have to be above 1,900,000,000. I would say Goku's power is not leauges above and is slightly stronger. Goku=19,300,000
Goku(SSJ1): 19,300,000X50=965,000,000
Goku(SSJ2): 965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Goku(SSJ3): 1,930,000,000X4=7,720,000,000
Vegeta: Vegeta seeing Goku and his raw power admits even in SSJ2 Goku is still stronger. Vegeta=18,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1): 18,500,000X50=925,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ2):18,500,000X50=1,850,000,000
Vegeta(Majin): Vegeta corrupted by Babidi was Goku's equal. They have a perfectly even match as SSJ2's. this means Vegeta=19,300,000
Vegeta(SSJ1):19,300,000X50=b]965,000,000[/b]
Vegeta(SSJ2):965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Gohan: Gohan is rusty. Gohan is regarded has being much weaker than he was against Cell. However he can't be leagues below what he used to be due to his fight against Dabura. Gohan=15,250,000
Gohan(SSJ1): 15,250,000X50=762,500,000
Gohan(SSJ2):762,500,000X2=1,525,000,000
Gohan(Potential Unleashed): Gohan rises greatly in power, rises so much so to where he is the strongest unfused warrior. Gohan=23,240,000,000
Trunks: Trunks' power as an SSJ1 is comparable to Frieza. asuming he is his equal this means Trunks' power is 120,000,000 divided by 50. Trunks=2,400,000
Trunks(SSJ1): Already clarified. Trunks=120,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks increases a fair amount. I would say he gains a 20% increase meaning 2,400,000+480,000. Trunks=2,880,000
Trunks(SSJ1): 2,880,000X50=144,000,000
Goten: Goten is nearly as strong as Trunks. However is still a bit weaker. Goten=2,380,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,380,000X50=119,000,000
Goten(Post HTC): I would say Goten recives the same 20% increase. 2,380,000+467,000=2,856,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,856,000X50=142,800,00
Gotenks: Gotenks initially appears as a SSJ1 Gotenks is very strong, nearly the strongest warrior there. However not as strong as he needs to be as he is far weaker than Fat Buu which is shown as he performs about as well as SSJ2 Gohan. Gotenks=30,450,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):30,500,000X50=1,522,500,000
Gotenks(Post HTC): Gotenks grows pretty high after Trunks and Goten's time in the chamber. Gotenks=38,655,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):38,655,000X50=1,932,750,000
Gotenks(SSJ3): 1,932,750,000X8=15,462,000,000
Vegito: Vegito's base has no feats to convey his strength. Vegito immediately uses SSJ against Buuhan and then completley dominates him. This means Vegito's base is lower than Buuhan but not by 50x. Base Vegito is incredibly hard to pinpoint but thanks to super I might have an answer. Gogeta has been ret-coned to work exactly like Vegito. Which means rules about Gogeta's power applies to Vegito in Z. Base Gogeta is SSJ Blue level in the Broly movie, which indicates that the base of the fused warrior is equal to the peak of the fusees. Which would mean in Z Vegito is SSJ3 Goku level. I would say Vegito is slightly stronger however. Vegito=10,250,000,000
Vegito(SSJ1):10,250,000,000X50=512,500,000,000
Majin Buu's
Fat Buu: Buu is strong. Far stronger than the likes of Dabura and by proxy Cell. He is stronger than all except SSJ3 Goku. I would say Goku is a fair bit stronger and would rank Fat Buu as a bit lower. Buu=5,840,000,000
Fat Buu(Evil dispelled): Fat Buu receives a portion of his original power. However he is regarded as receiving less of the complete total he once posses. Buu=2,410,000,000
Evil Buu: Evil Buu receives the other portion of the power. Buu=3,430,000,000
Super Buu: Evil Buu absorbs Fat Buu gaining his power and then some. Buu=15,462,000,000
Buutenks: Buu in desperation combines with Gotenks growning significantly in strength. He even surpasses Gohan, by a good bit also. In their fight Gohan is fighting on the backfoot barley able to survive as Buu mostly toys with the Saiyan. I would say the absorbtion combined the equal power of Gotenks and Buu and added to it. Buu=34,125,000,000
Buucolo: Buu loses a good portion of his power. However people grossly down play Buucolo and Piccolo's power. Buucolo I would say is stronger than Gotenks however still under Gohan. Buu=18,240,000,000
Buuhan: Buu absorbs Gohan growing in power far beyond what ever was. Buuhan was around 2x the strength of Buutenks give or take. Buuhan=96,540,000,000
Buuhan(Enraged): Buuhan taps into Gohan's immense power drawn from his anger as he rises nearly matching Vegito as an SSJ. Buuhan=506,860,000,000
Kid Buu: Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu however weaker than Goku SSJ3. People usally rank Goku and Kid Buu as equals. However I think Kid Buu was able to fight on nearly even ground due to his durrability and regeneration. Not to mention Goku had stamina issues so struggled to maintain his form a bit. Buu=6,520,000,000
Others
Krillin: Krillin doesn't fight much any more. I would say he is probably weaker than he was ten years ago. Krillin=780,000
Android 18: Android 18 trains lightly and still contains the modifications making her able to grow in strength. Android 18=510,000,000
Tien: Tien spends every day training. However his spirits were kind of crushed back in the Cell saga(honestly such a bummer). Tien never had the same drive so probably increased moderately. Tien=3,500,000
Yamcha: Yamcha like Krillin has left behind his fighting life and has moved on as he now focuses only on baseball. Yamcha for this reason would be weaker than what he used to be. Yamcha=300,000
Piccolo: Piccolo is seriously underestimated at this point. Piccolo does nothing but train. Literally nothing else. Piccolo has already proven how strong he can get. I would say at this point Piccolo is almost as strong as SSJ1's. However can not compete with SSJ2s. Piccolo=885,000,000
Shin: Now before I begin, more on Piccolo. Piccolo for the most part opted out of the fight with Shin due to respect for his authority. However in saying that, Shin is actually stronger and is also greatly underestimated. Just because he is surprised by the strength of mortals doesn't mean much. Shin=915,000,000
Kibito: Kibito is stated to be very powerful. Rivaling SSJ1 Gohan. However Gohan as SSJ1 is implied to be a bit stronger. Kibito=565,000,000
Kibito Kai: Kibito and Shin fuse permently into a warrior with a really impressive amount of power for a non saiyan character. Kibito Kai however can not surpass Vegeta as SSJ2. Kibito Kai=1,625,000,000
Pui Pui: Pui Pui is pretty weak, nothing really special. Pui Pui=340,000
Yakon: Yakon is stated to have a power equal to 800 Kili. 1 kili is equal to 50,000 battle power. So 800X50,000=Yakon. Yakon=40,000,000
Dabura: Dabura is stated to rival Cell in power. We see first hand when Gohan fights Dabura where they stand. For the most part the two seem evenly matched with Gohan being slightly stronger. Dabura=1,518,000,000

And with that, I am done. It is a little messy. For the most part I'm happy with Saiyans and villains. However the Human characters were really hard to pin point. However I think it's a decent list. Now tear it and myself apart :cry:
Grades 2 and 3 base to necessarely be stronger than ssj as a multiplier, Just saying. Said that, these Power level are'nt even considerabile as lowball in my eyes, are Just too low. The gaps are wrong too, we know that Cell games Gohan Is stronger than Cell games Goku, but a 177/176 gap Is literally nothing. They would have been nearly as strong as each other like this, but we know that Gohan held a significant advantage basing on his fight with Cell, Who was said to be a step ahead Goku in strenght.
Goku 1
Cell 1,2
Gohan 1,25
That should be the gap

I did'nt read that all but Just some numbers, if you want i can help you with this in pm
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 am

p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:40 am
Mad Swami wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:31 pm
Alright well let's get it out of the way. These are not official and don't take them as fact. take this as my interpretation of comments and the manga itself. The way I will organize my power levels is by doing categories. No chronological order simply categories in which I detail every form of the character. So here are my Multipliers
SSJ1 (Initial): 30xStrength 20xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 2): 35xStrength 15xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 3): 45xStrength 5xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 4/Mastered): 25xStrength 25xSpeed
SSJ2: 50xStrength 50xSpeed
SSJ3: 200xStrength 200xSpeed
Now quickly before I get in let me clarify. Basically this grade system I made is a way to explain how I feel the SSJ grades work. I've made a post on it already but to quickly explain I just can't buy any SSJ1 grade get's a multiplier higher than 50 since x50 is always what SSJ1 is described as. So I think the grades just distribute the power differently. Again not saying this is fact just my thoughts. With that out of the way let's start, with the Cell saga.

CELL SAGA
Frieza and King Cold
Mecha Frieza: Frieza seems confident he can take Namek Goku. I take this statement as Frieza's current power could rival Namek Goku who as a SSJ had a power level of 150,000,000. I would say Frieza is still his inferior but could put up a damn good fight. Frieza=145,000,000
King Cold: King Cold is said to be very relative to Frieza. The way he is talked about implies he is slightly stronger than Frieza. King Cold=148,000,000
Sayians
Goku (Yardrat): Goku has spent a year training on Yardrat. However most of his training was learning instant transmission and spirit control. Because of this I would say he would increase a fair amount. Goku=3,600,000
Goku(Yardrat)(SSJ1): 50X3,600,000= 180,000,000
Goku (Three years trained): Goku trained for three full years in preparation for the androids. He had a training partner in the form of Piccolo and a student of sorts in the form of Gohan. Because of this I would say Goku has a fairly decent increase but does not have perfect training due to him mostly focusing on preparing Piccolo and Gohan. Goku still increases in strength a fair bit. Goku=6,000,000
Goku(Three years trained)(SJJ1): 6,000,000X50= 300,000,000
Goku (Heart Virus)(SSJ1): Goku lost a lot of power from the heart virus. I would say he was performing at 20%. Goku=60,000,000
Goku(HTC training): Goku increased in strength during his time with Gohan in the chamber. While training Goku=10,650,000
Goku (SSJ1)(Grade 2):10,650,000X50=532,500,000. The ratio is 35/15 Making a good amount of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,650,000X50=532,500,000.The ratio is 45/5 Making most of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(Post HBTC): Goku had spent a good while in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and had risen to a great level of power. Goku as a SSJ1 is a worthy enough adversary for Cell but not quite near his full power. Goku= 17,600,000
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 4):17,600,000X50=880,000,000
Vegeta(Badman): Vegeta acknowledges Goku and Trunks as his superiors. Vegeta=3,000,000
Vegeta(Three years trained): Vegeta had spent three years of rigorous training to match Goku and Trunks as the two fueled his rage. Vegeta managed to unlock SSJ1 and had reclaimed his position as second place. Vegeta=5,800,000
Vegeta(Three years trained)(SSJ1): 5,800,000X50=290,000,000
Vegeta(Post HTC): Vegeta enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to finally surpass Goku. Vegeta=10,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 2): Vegeta when turning SSJ1 surpasses all androids and was for a short while the current strongest warrior. 10,500,000X50=525,000,000. The ratio is 35/15. This means most of the Vegeta's power is distributed to his strength.
Vegeta(Post HTC V2): Vegeta after witnessing Goku's immense power decides to re-enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and grow. In doing so Vegeta rises back to being more comparable to Goku. Vegeta=17,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,000,000X50=850,000,000
Trunks: Trunk's arrives and posses power comparable to Goku on Namek. Trunks however is slightly stronger.Trunks=3,160,000
Trunks(SSJ1):3,160,000X50=158,000,000
Trunks(Return): Trunks in his own future gained strength through his training and constant fight for survival. However Trunk's had no trainng partner and didn't have to much time to focus on himself. Trunks=5,240,000
Trunks(Return)(SSJ1): 5,240,000X50= 262,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with his father as the two help eachother grow in strength. Trunks is stated to be nearly as strong as Vegeta. Trunks=10,250,000
Trunks(SSJ1)(Grade 2):=10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 35/15. So the actual power levels are more scewed to making Trunks stronger.
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 45/5. So most of the multiplication goes to Trunk's strength boosting him into a higher leauge.
Trunks(Post HTC V2): Trunk's inspired by Gohan's advancements and dedication to protect the past leads to him re entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Trunks was behind Vegeta before and I would assume stayed that way as he advanced. Trunks=16,800,000
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 4): Trunks like the other Saiyans had mastered the SSJ1 form. 16,800,000X50=840,000,000
Gohan: Gohan last on Namek has a Battle power of 200,000. Gohan is not a active trainer so probably progressed very slightly. Gohan=225,000
Gohan(Three years trained): Gohan had really decided to give it his all as he trained with Goku and Piccolo for three years preparing for the androids. Gohan's power rises a large amount by the end. Gohan=3,450,000
Gohan(HTC training): Gohan really pushes himself when entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Goku. There Gohan finally learns SSJ1. Gohan=6,225,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 1): 6,225,000X50=311,250,000
Gohan(Post HTC): Gohan by the end of his training stood as the strongest Z-fighter. Even stronger than Goku. However still not as strong as Cell as shown when they fight. Gohan=17,700,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,700,000X50=885,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2):885,000,000X2=1,770,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2)(Rage boost): Gohan's anger had always been a powerful tool. In this instance it had helped Gohan surpass Cell even after Cell's monsterious power up. Gohan=1,900,000,000
Others
Piccolo: Piccolo was behind Vegeta by a fair amount on Namek. Piccolo over the year after has shrunk the gap a bit.
Piccolo=2,400,000
Piccolo(Three years trained): Piccolo had trained over the three years with Goku as Goku helped push Piccolo to new heights and limits as Piccolo had risen to power comparable to a SSJ1. Piccolo=218,000,000
Piccolo(Three years trained)(Full Power): Piccolo=225,000,000
Piccolo(Kami fusion): Piccolo merged with Kami and grew in power. Piccolo's power rivaled Android 17. Piccolo=350,000,000
Piccolo(Post HTC): Piccolo in preparation for Cell had entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber growing far beyond in power.
Piccolo=550,000,000
Tien: Tien is a proud and dedicated warrior. Tien spends nearly every waking moment training. Tien spent the most time out of any Z-fighter training with King Kai. Tien=900,000
Tien(Three years trained): Tien is a man of action and is a character who gets the job done. Tien said he would train and prepare and he did. However Tien mostly spent time preparing the Shin Kikoho (Neo Tri-Beam). Tien=2,100,000
Tien(Cell Games): Tien had spent time getting marginally stronger. Tien=3,000,000
Yamcha: Yamcha may be everybody's favorite punching bag but at this point Yamcha wasn't a complete joke. Yamcha trained with King Kai and did train frequently. Yamcha=450,000
Yamcha(Three years trained): Yamcha trained alone for three years in preparation for the androids. However Yamcha didn't have the ideal training set up. Yamcha=320,000
Yamacha(Cell Games): Yamcha did not progress much. Yamcha=325,000
Krillin: Krillin before returning home had an advantage of having his potential unlocked by Guru. This had put Krillin at 75,000 on Namek. However with consistant training Krillin managed to rise even further beyond. Krillin=640,000
Krillin(Three years trained): Krillin agreed to be ready fro when the androids arrive. He gave it his all and had a decent increase.
Krillin=880,000
Krillin(Cell Games): Krillin progressed verry little. Krillin=885,000
Androids
Dr Gero: Dr Gero was an android and one with a power level even greater than Frieza. Dr Gero=180,000,000
Android 19: Android 19 was Dr Gero's right hand man and was releative in power. However he was slightly weaker.
Android 19=165,000,000
Android 19 (SSJ energy absorbed): Android 19 syphoned some of Goku's power and rose slightly in his own strength.
Android 19=175,000,000
Android 18: Android 18 was more powerful than all SSJ's. Android 18=330,000,000
Android 17: Android 17 was 18's superior. Android 17=350,000,000
Android 16: Android 16 was the strongest Android, his power was far greater than the others. Android 16=425,000,000
Cell
Cell(first form): Cell at this point was weaker than most heroes. I would say Cell would still be stronger than Dr Gero. Cell=190,000,000
Cell(Vs Piccolo): Cell had absorbed many people and had grown in strength enough to rival Piccolo. Cell was however weaker as Piccolo never removed his weighted clothing and Cell used his wit to escape. Cell=228,000,000
Cell(Vs Android 17): Cell at this point was far stronger than any other warrior, except Android 16. Cell=425,000,000
Cell(Semi perfect): Cell had grown stronger than every warrior, even Android 16. Cell=500,000,000
Cell(Perfect): Cell after absorbing both androids had rissen to his perfect state. Perfect Cell=900,000,000 Now most people might be confused on how Perfect cell and Grade 3 Trunks can be so different. Well the point I make with the grade is that Power Levels aren't simply how strong someone is. It refers to how strong and fast they are. (Working theory)
Cell(Grade 3): Cell had simply distributed his power differently. Cell grade 3=900,000,000
Cell(Super Perfect): 900,000,000X2=1,800,000,000
BUU SAGA
Saiyans
Goku: Goku has spent seven years training in Otherworld. However his training was mostly to ascend to SSJ2 like his son. When Goku turns SSJ2 Vegeta remarks that Goku outputs even more power than his even greater than Gohan's. Assuming he's referring to Gohan with his rage boost, Goku as an SSJ2 would have to be above 1,900,000,000. I would say Goku's power is not leauges above and is slightly stronger. Goku=19,300,000
Goku(SSJ1): 19,300,000X50=965,000,000
Goku(SSJ2): 965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Goku(SSJ3): 1,930,000,000X4=7,720,000,000
Vegeta: Vegeta seeing Goku and his raw power admits even in SSJ2 Goku is still stronger. Vegeta=18,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1): 18,500,000X50=925,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ2):18,500,000X50=1,850,000,000
Vegeta(Majin): Vegeta corrupted by Babidi was Goku's equal. They have a perfectly even match as SSJ2's. this means Vegeta=19,300,000
Vegeta(SSJ1):19,300,000X50=b]965,000,000[/b]
Vegeta(SSJ2):965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Gohan: Gohan is rusty. Gohan is regarded has being much weaker than he was against Cell. However he can't be leagues below what he used to be due to his fight against Dabura. Gohan=15,250,000
Gohan(SSJ1): 15,250,000X50=762,500,000
Gohan(SSJ2):762,500,000X2=1,525,000,000
Gohan(Potential Unleashed): Gohan rises greatly in power, rises so much so to where he is the strongest unfused warrior. Gohan=23,240,000,000
Trunks: Trunks' power as an SSJ1 is comparable to Frieza. asuming he is his equal this means Trunks' power is 120,000,000 divided by 50. Trunks=2,400,000
Trunks(SSJ1): Already clarified. Trunks=120,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks increases a fair amount. I would say he gains a 20% increase meaning 2,400,000+480,000. Trunks=2,880,000
Trunks(SSJ1): 2,880,000X50=144,000,000
Goten: Goten is nearly as strong as Trunks. However is still a bit weaker. Goten=2,380,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,380,000X50=119,000,000
Goten(Post HTC): I would say Goten recives the same 20% increase. 2,380,000+467,000=2,856,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,856,000X50=142,800,00
Gotenks: Gotenks initially appears as a SSJ1 Gotenks is very strong, nearly the strongest warrior there. However not as strong as he needs to be as he is far weaker than Fat Buu which is shown as he performs about as well as SSJ2 Gohan. Gotenks=30,450,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):30,500,000X50=1,522,500,000
Gotenks(Post HTC): Gotenks grows pretty high after Trunks and Goten's time in the chamber. Gotenks=38,655,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):38,655,000X50=1,932,750,000
Gotenks(SSJ3): 1,932,750,000X8=15,462,000,000
Vegito: Vegito's base has no feats to convey his strength. Vegito immediately uses SSJ against Buuhan and then completley dominates him. This means Vegito's base is lower than Buuhan but not by 50x. Base Vegito is incredibly hard to pinpoint but thanks to super I might have an answer. Gogeta has been ret-coned to work exactly like Vegito. Which means rules about Gogeta's power applies to Vegito in Z. Base Gogeta is SSJ Blue level in the Broly movie, which indicates that the base of the fused warrior is equal to the peak of the fusees. Which would mean in Z Vegito is SSJ3 Goku level. I would say Vegito is slightly stronger however. Vegito=10,250,000,000
Vegito(SSJ1):10,250,000,000X50=512,500,000,000
Majin Buu's
Fat Buu: Buu is strong. Far stronger than the likes of Dabura and by proxy Cell. He is stronger than all except SSJ3 Goku. I would say Goku is a fair bit stronger and would rank Fat Buu as a bit lower. Buu=5,840,000,000
Fat Buu(Evil dispelled): Fat Buu receives a portion of his original power. However he is regarded as receiving less of the complete total he once posses. Buu=2,410,000,000
Evil Buu: Evil Buu receives the other portion of the power. Buu=3,430,000,000
Super Buu: Evil Buu absorbs Fat Buu gaining his power and then some. Buu=15,462,000,000
Buutenks: Buu in desperation combines with Gotenks growning significantly in strength. He even surpasses Gohan, by a good bit also. In their fight Gohan is fighting on the backfoot barley able to survive as Buu mostly toys with the Saiyan. I would say the absorbtion combined the equal power of Gotenks and Buu and added to it. Buu=34,125,000,000
Buucolo: Buu loses a good portion of his power. However people grossly down play Buucolo and Piccolo's power. Buucolo I would say is stronger than Gotenks however still under Gohan. Buu=18,240,000,000
Buuhan: Buu absorbs Gohan growing in power far beyond what ever was. Buuhan was around 2x the strength of Buutenks give or take. Buuhan=96,540,000,000
Buuhan(Enraged): Buuhan taps into Gohan's immense power drawn from his anger as he rises nearly matching Vegito as an SSJ. Buuhan=506,860,000,000
Kid Buu: Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu however weaker than Goku SSJ3. People usally rank Goku and Kid Buu as equals. However I think Kid Buu was able to fight on nearly even ground due to his durrability and regeneration. Not to mention Goku had stamina issues so struggled to maintain his form a bit. Buu=6,520,000,000
Others
Krillin: Krillin doesn't fight much any more. I would say he is probably weaker than he was ten years ago. Krillin=780,000
Android 18: Android 18 trains lightly and still contains the modifications making her able to grow in strength. Android 18=510,000,000
Tien: Tien spends every day training. However his spirits were kind of crushed back in the Cell saga(honestly such a bummer). Tien never had the same drive so probably increased moderately. Tien=3,500,000
Yamcha: Yamcha like Krillin has left behind his fighting life and has moved on as he now focuses only on baseball. Yamcha for this reason would be weaker than what he used to be. Yamcha=300,000
Piccolo: Piccolo is seriously underestimated at this point. Piccolo does nothing but train. Literally nothing else. Piccolo has already proven how strong he can get. I would say at this point Piccolo is almost as strong as SSJ1's. However can not compete with SSJ2s. Piccolo=885,000,000
Shin: Now before I begin, more on Piccolo. Piccolo for the most part opted out of the fight with Shin due to respect for his authority. However in saying that, Shin is actually stronger and is also greatly underestimated. Just because he is surprised by the strength of mortals doesn't mean much. Shin=915,000,000
Kibito: Kibito is stated to be very powerful. Rivaling SSJ1 Gohan. However Gohan as SSJ1 is implied to be a bit stronger. Kibito=565,000,000
Kibito Kai: Kibito and Shin fuse permently into a warrior with a really impressive amount of power for a non saiyan character. Kibito Kai however can not surpass Vegeta as SSJ2. Kibito Kai=1,625,000,000
Pui Pui: Pui Pui is pretty weak, nothing really special. Pui Pui=340,000
Yakon: Yakon is stated to have a power equal to 800 Kili. 1 kili is equal to 50,000 battle power. So 800X50,000=Yakon. Yakon=40,000,000
Dabura: Dabura is stated to rival Cell in power. We see first hand when Gohan fights Dabura where they stand. For the most part the two seem evenly matched with Gohan being slightly stronger. Dabura=1,518,000,000

And with that, I am done. It is a little messy. For the most part I'm happy with Saiyans and villains. However the Human characters were really hard to pin point. However I think it's a decent list. Now tear it and myself apart :cry:
Grades 2 and 3 base to necessarely be stronger than ssj as a multiplier, Just saying. Said that, these Power level are'nt even considerabile as lowball in my eyes, are Just too low. The gaps are wrong too, we know that Cell games Gohan Is stronger than Cell games Goku, but a 177/176 gap Is literally nothing. They would have been nearly as strong as each other like this, but we know that Gohan held a significant advantage basing on his fight with Cell, Who was said to be a step ahead Goku in strenght.
Goku 1
Cell 1,2
Gohan 1,25
That should be the gap

I did'nt read that all but Just some numbers, if you want i can help you with this in pm
thanks for the feedback! I thought Cell was still stronger than Gohan simply Gohan was stronger than Goku and was the only one at the time who can reach a new level of power(SSJ2). The grades were a working theory about how they work because I don't really agree with the grades receiving a boost larger than 50x especially MSSJ because that is the form most Saiyans use and it's always been 50. The theory basically their power levels still get a x50 boost but th power is more consentrated allowing them to punch up. Anyway thanks for looking and tell me what you think about other gaps

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:28 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 am
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:40 am
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:31 pm
Alright well let's get it out of the way. These are not official and don't take them as fact. take this as my interpretation of comments and the manga itself. The way I will organize my power levels is by doing categories. No chronological order simply categories in which I detail every form of the character. So here are my Multipliers
SSJ1 (Initial): 30xStrength 20xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 2): 35xStrength 15xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 3): 45xStrength 5xSpeed
SSJ1(Grade 4/Mastered): 25xStrength 25xSpeed
SSJ2: 50xStrength 50xSpeed
SSJ3: 200xStrength 200xSpeed
Now quickly before I get in let me clarify. Basically this grade system I made is a way to explain how I feel the SSJ grades work. I've made a post on it already but to quickly explain I just can't buy any SSJ1 grade get's a multiplier higher than 50 since x50 is always what SSJ1 is described as. So I think the grades just distribute the power differently. Again not saying this is fact just my thoughts. With that out of the way let's start, with the Cell saga.

CELL SAGA
Frieza and King Cold
Mecha Frieza: Frieza seems confident he can take Namek Goku. I take this statement as Frieza's current power could rival Namek Goku who as a SSJ had a power level of 150,000,000. I would say Frieza is still his inferior but could put up a damn good fight. Frieza=145,000,000
King Cold: King Cold is said to be very relative to Frieza. The way he is talked about implies he is slightly stronger than Frieza. King Cold=148,000,000
Sayians
Goku (Yardrat): Goku has spent a year training on Yardrat. However most of his training was learning instant transmission and spirit control. Because of this I would say he would increase a fair amount. Goku=3,600,000
Goku(Yardrat)(SSJ1): 50X3,600,000= 180,000,000
Goku (Three years trained): Goku trained for three full years in preparation for the androids. He had a training partner in the form of Piccolo and a student of sorts in the form of Gohan. Because of this I would say Goku has a fairly decent increase but does not have perfect training due to him mostly focusing on preparing Piccolo and Gohan. Goku still increases in strength a fair bit. Goku=6,000,000
Goku(Three years trained)(SJJ1): 6,000,000X50= 300,000,000
Goku (Heart Virus)(SSJ1): Goku lost a lot of power from the heart virus. I would say he was performing at 20%. Goku=60,000,000
Goku(HTC training): Goku increased in strength during his time with Gohan in the chamber. While training Goku=10,650,000
Goku (SSJ1)(Grade 2):10,650,000X50=532,500,000. The ratio is 35/15 Making a good amount of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,650,000X50=532,500,000.The ratio is 45/5 Making most of Goku's power focused on strength
Goku(Post HBTC): Goku had spent a good while in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and had risen to a great level of power. Goku as a SSJ1 is a worthy enough adversary for Cell but not quite near his full power. Goku= 17,600,000
Goku(SSJ1)(Grade 4):17,600,000X50=880,000,000
Vegeta(Badman): Vegeta acknowledges Goku and Trunks as his superiors. Vegeta=3,000,000
Vegeta(Three years trained): Vegeta had spent three years of rigorous training to match Goku and Trunks as the two fueled his rage. Vegeta managed to unlock SSJ1 and had reclaimed his position as second place. Vegeta=5,800,000
Vegeta(Three years trained)(SSJ1): 5,800,000X50=290,000,000
Vegeta(Post HTC): Vegeta enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to finally surpass Goku. Vegeta=10,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 2): Vegeta when turning SSJ1 surpasses all androids and was for a short while the current strongest warrior. 10,500,000X50=525,000,000. The ratio is 35/15. This means most of the Vegeta's power is distributed to his strength.
Vegeta(Post HTC V2): Vegeta after witnessing Goku's immense power decides to re-enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and grow. In doing so Vegeta rises back to being more comparable to Goku. Vegeta=17,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,000,000X50=850,000,000
Trunks: Trunk's arrives and posses power comparable to Goku on Namek. Trunks however is slightly stronger.Trunks=3,160,000
Trunks(SSJ1):3,160,000X50=158,000,000
Trunks(Return): Trunks in his own future gained strength through his training and constant fight for survival. However Trunk's had no trainng partner and didn't have to much time to focus on himself. Trunks=5,240,000
Trunks(Return)(SSJ1): 5,240,000X50= 262,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks enters the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with his father as the two help eachother grow in strength. Trunks is stated to be nearly as strong as Vegeta. Trunks=10,250,000
Trunks(SSJ1)(Grade 2):=10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 35/15. So the actual power levels are more scewed to making Trunks stronger.
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 3):10,250,000X50=512,500,000 However the ratio is 45/5. So most of the multiplication goes to Trunk's strength boosting him into a higher leauge.
Trunks(Post HTC V2): Trunk's inspired by Gohan's advancements and dedication to protect the past leads to him re entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Trunks was behind Vegeta before and I would assume stayed that way as he advanced. Trunks=16,800,000
Trunks (SSJ1)(Grade 4): Trunks like the other Saiyans had mastered the SSJ1 form. 16,800,000X50=840,000,000
Gohan: Gohan last on Namek has a Battle power of 200,000. Gohan is not a active trainer so probably progressed very slightly. Gohan=225,000
Gohan(Three years trained): Gohan had really decided to give it his all as he trained with Goku and Piccolo for three years preparing for the androids. Gohan's power rises a large amount by the end. Gohan=3,450,000
Gohan(HTC training): Gohan really pushes himself when entering the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with Goku. There Gohan finally learns SSJ1. Gohan=6,225,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 1): 6,225,000X50=311,250,000
Gohan(Post HTC): Gohan by the end of his training stood as the strongest Z-fighter. Even stronger than Goku. However still not as strong as Cell as shown when they fight. Gohan=17,700,000
Gohan(SSJ1)(Grade 4): 17,700,000X50=885,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2):885,000,000X2=1,770,000,000
Gohan(SSJ2)(Rage boost): Gohan's anger had always been a powerful tool. In this instance it had helped Gohan surpass Cell even after Cell's monsterious power up. Gohan=1,900,000,000
Others
Piccolo: Piccolo was behind Vegeta by a fair amount on Namek. Piccolo over the year after has shrunk the gap a bit.
Piccolo=2,400,000
Piccolo(Three years trained): Piccolo had trained over the three years with Goku as Goku helped push Piccolo to new heights and limits as Piccolo had risen to power comparable to a SSJ1. Piccolo=218,000,000
Piccolo(Three years trained)(Full Power): Piccolo=225,000,000
Piccolo(Kami fusion): Piccolo merged with Kami and grew in power. Piccolo's power rivaled Android 17. Piccolo=350,000,000
Piccolo(Post HTC): Piccolo in preparation for Cell had entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber growing far beyond in power.
Piccolo=550,000,000
Tien: Tien is a proud and dedicated warrior. Tien spends nearly every waking moment training. Tien spent the most time out of any Z-fighter training with King Kai. Tien=900,000
Tien(Three years trained): Tien is a man of action and is a character who gets the job done. Tien said he would train and prepare and he did. However Tien mostly spent time preparing the Shin Kikoho (Neo Tri-Beam). Tien=2,100,000
Tien(Cell Games): Tien had spent time getting marginally stronger. Tien=3,000,000
Yamcha: Yamcha may be everybody's favorite punching bag but at this point Yamcha wasn't a complete joke. Yamcha trained with King Kai and did train frequently. Yamcha=450,000
Yamcha(Three years trained): Yamcha trained alone for three years in preparation for the androids. However Yamcha didn't have the ideal training set up. Yamcha=320,000
Yamacha(Cell Games): Yamcha did not progress much. Yamcha=325,000
Krillin: Krillin before returning home had an advantage of having his potential unlocked by Guru. This had put Krillin at 75,000 on Namek. However with consistant training Krillin managed to rise even further beyond. Krillin=640,000
Krillin(Three years trained): Krillin agreed to be ready fro when the androids arrive. He gave it his all and had a decent increase.
Krillin=880,000
Krillin(Cell Games): Krillin progressed verry little. Krillin=885,000
Androids
Dr Gero: Dr Gero was an android and one with a power level even greater than Frieza. Dr Gero=180,000,000
Android 19: Android 19 was Dr Gero's right hand man and was releative in power. However he was slightly weaker.
Android 19=165,000,000
Android 19 (SSJ energy absorbed): Android 19 syphoned some of Goku's power and rose slightly in his own strength.
Android 19=175,000,000
Android 18: Android 18 was more powerful than all SSJ's. Android 18=330,000,000
Android 17: Android 17 was 18's superior. Android 17=350,000,000
Android 16: Android 16 was the strongest Android, his power was far greater than the others. Android 16=425,000,000
Cell
Cell(first form): Cell at this point was weaker than most heroes. I would say Cell would still be stronger than Dr Gero. Cell=190,000,000
Cell(Vs Piccolo): Cell had absorbed many people and had grown in strength enough to rival Piccolo. Cell was however weaker as Piccolo never removed his weighted clothing and Cell used his wit to escape. Cell=228,000,000
Cell(Vs Android 17): Cell at this point was far stronger than any other warrior, except Android 16. Cell=425,000,000
Cell(Semi perfect): Cell had grown stronger than every warrior, even Android 16. Cell=500,000,000
Cell(Perfect): Cell after absorbing both androids had rissen to his perfect state. Perfect Cell=900,000,000 Now most people might be confused on how Perfect cell and Grade 3 Trunks can be so different. Well the point I make with the grade is that Power Levels aren't simply how strong someone is. It refers to how strong and fast they are. (Working theory)
Cell(Grade 3): Cell had simply distributed his power differently. Cell grade 3=900,000,000
Cell(Super Perfect): 900,000,000X2=1,800,000,000
BUU SAGA
Saiyans
Goku: Goku has spent seven years training in Otherworld. However his training was mostly to ascend to SSJ2 like his son. When Goku turns SSJ2 Vegeta remarks that Goku outputs even more power than his even greater than Gohan's. Assuming he's referring to Gohan with his rage boost, Goku as an SSJ2 would have to be above 1,900,000,000. I would say Goku's power is not leauges above and is slightly stronger. Goku=19,300,000
Goku(SSJ1): 19,300,000X50=965,000,000
Goku(SSJ2): 965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Goku(SSJ3): 1,930,000,000X4=7,720,000,000
Vegeta: Vegeta seeing Goku and his raw power admits even in SSJ2 Goku is still stronger. Vegeta=18,500,000
Vegeta(SSJ1): 18,500,000X50=925,000,000
Vegeta(SSJ2):18,500,000X50=1,850,000,000
Vegeta(Majin): Vegeta corrupted by Babidi was Goku's equal. They have a perfectly even match as SSJ2's. this means Vegeta=19,300,000
Vegeta(SSJ1):19,300,000X50=b]965,000,000[/b]
Vegeta(SSJ2):965,000,000X2=1,930,000,000
Gohan: Gohan is rusty. Gohan is regarded has being much weaker than he was against Cell. However he can't be leagues below what he used to be due to his fight against Dabura. Gohan=15,250,000
Gohan(SSJ1): 15,250,000X50=762,500,000
Gohan(SSJ2):762,500,000X2=1,525,000,000
Gohan(Potential Unleashed): Gohan rises greatly in power, rises so much so to where he is the strongest unfused warrior. Gohan=23,240,000,000
Trunks: Trunks' power as an SSJ1 is comparable to Frieza. asuming he is his equal this means Trunks' power is 120,000,000 divided by 50. Trunks=2,400,000
Trunks(SSJ1): Already clarified. Trunks=120,000,000
Trunks(Post HTC): Trunks increases a fair amount. I would say he gains a 20% increase meaning 2,400,000+480,000. Trunks=2,880,000
Trunks(SSJ1): 2,880,000X50=144,000,000
Goten: Goten is nearly as strong as Trunks. However is still a bit weaker. Goten=2,380,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,380,000X50=119,000,000
Goten(Post HTC): I would say Goten recives the same 20% increase. 2,380,000+467,000=2,856,000
Goten(SSJ1):2,856,000X50=142,800,00
Gotenks: Gotenks initially appears as a SSJ1 Gotenks is very strong, nearly the strongest warrior there. However not as strong as he needs to be as he is far weaker than Fat Buu which is shown as he performs about as well as SSJ2 Gohan. Gotenks=30,450,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):30,500,000X50=1,522,500,000
Gotenks(Post HTC): Gotenks grows pretty high after Trunks and Goten's time in the chamber. Gotenks=38,655,000
Gotenks(SSJ1):38,655,000X50=1,932,750,000
Gotenks(SSJ3): 1,932,750,000X8=15,462,000,000
Vegito: Vegito's base has no feats to convey his strength. Vegito immediately uses SSJ against Buuhan and then completley dominates him. This means Vegito's base is lower than Buuhan but not by 50x. Base Vegito is incredibly hard to pinpoint but thanks to super I might have an answer. Gogeta has been ret-coned to work exactly like Vegito. Which means rules about Gogeta's power applies to Vegito in Z. Base Gogeta is SSJ Blue level in the Broly movie, which indicates that the base of the fused warrior is equal to the peak of the fusees. Which would mean in Z Vegito is SSJ3 Goku level. I would say Vegito is slightly stronger however. Vegito=10,250,000,000
Vegito(SSJ1):10,250,000,000X50=512,500,000,000
Majin Buu's
Fat Buu: Buu is strong. Far stronger than the likes of Dabura and by proxy Cell. He is stronger than all except SSJ3 Goku. I would say Goku is a fair bit stronger and would rank Fat Buu as a bit lower. Buu=5,840,000,000
Fat Buu(Evil dispelled): Fat Buu receives a portion of his original power. However he is regarded as receiving less of the complete total he once posses. Buu=2,410,000,000
Evil Buu: Evil Buu receives the other portion of the power. Buu=3,430,000,000
Super Buu: Evil Buu absorbs Fat Buu gaining his power and then some. Buu=15,462,000,000
Buutenks: Buu in desperation combines with Gotenks growning significantly in strength. He even surpasses Gohan, by a good bit also. In their fight Gohan is fighting on the backfoot barley able to survive as Buu mostly toys with the Saiyan. I would say the absorbtion combined the equal power of Gotenks and Buu and added to it. Buu=34,125,000,000
Buucolo: Buu loses a good portion of his power. However people grossly down play Buucolo and Piccolo's power. Buucolo I would say is stronger than Gotenks however still under Gohan. Buu=18,240,000,000
Buuhan: Buu absorbs Gohan growing in power far beyond what ever was. Buuhan was around 2x the strength of Buutenks give or take. Buuhan=96,540,000,000
Buuhan(Enraged): Buuhan taps into Gohan's immense power drawn from his anger as he rises nearly matching Vegito as an SSJ. Buuhan=506,860,000,000
Kid Buu: Kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu however weaker than Goku SSJ3. People usally rank Goku and Kid Buu as equals. However I think Kid Buu was able to fight on nearly even ground due to his durrability and regeneration. Not to mention Goku had stamina issues so struggled to maintain his form a bit. Buu=6,520,000,000
Others
Krillin: Krillin doesn't fight much any more. I would say he is probably weaker than he was ten years ago. Krillin=780,000
Android 18: Android 18 trains lightly and still contains the modifications making her able to grow in strength. Android 18=510,000,000
Tien: Tien spends every day training. However his spirits were kind of crushed back in the Cell saga(honestly such a bummer). Tien never had the same drive so probably increased moderately. Tien=3,500,000
Yamcha: Yamcha like Krillin has left behind his fighting life and has moved on as he now focuses only on baseball. Yamcha for this reason would be weaker than what he used to be. Yamcha=300,000
Piccolo: Piccolo is seriously underestimated at this point. Piccolo does nothing but train. Literally nothing else. Piccolo has already proven how strong he can get. I would say at this point Piccolo is almost as strong as SSJ1's. However can not compete with SSJ2s. Piccolo=885,000,000
Shin: Now before I begin, more on Piccolo. Piccolo for the most part opted out of the fight with Shin due to respect for his authority. However in saying that, Shin is actually stronger and is also greatly underestimated. Just because he is surprised by the strength of mortals doesn't mean much. Shin=915,000,000
Kibito: Kibito is stated to be very powerful. Rivaling SSJ1 Gohan. However Gohan as SSJ1 is implied to be a bit stronger. Kibito=565,000,000
Kibito Kai: Kibito and Shin fuse permently into a warrior with a really impressive amount of power for a non saiyan character. Kibito Kai however can not surpass Vegeta as SSJ2. Kibito Kai=1,625,000,000
Pui Pui: Pui Pui is pretty weak, nothing really special. Pui Pui=340,000
Yakon: Yakon is stated to have a power equal to 800 Kili. 1 kili is equal to 50,000 battle power. So 800X50,000=Yakon. Yakon=40,000,000
Dabura: Dabura is stated to rival Cell in power. We see first hand when Gohan fights Dabura where they stand. For the most part the two seem evenly matched with Gohan being slightly stronger. Dabura=1,518,000,000

And with that, I am done. It is a little messy. For the most part I'm happy with Saiyans and villains. However the Human characters were really hard to pin point. However I think it's a decent list. Now tear it and myself apart :cry:
Grades 2 and 3 base to necessarely be stronger than ssj as a multiplier, Just saying. Said that, these Power level are'nt even considerabile as lowball in my eyes, are Just too low. The gaps are wrong too, we know that Cell games Gohan Is stronger than Cell games Goku, but a 177/176 gap Is literally nothing. They would have been nearly as strong as each other like this, but we know that Gohan held a significant advantage basing on his fight with Cell, Who was said to be a step ahead Goku in strenght.
Goku 1
Cell 1,2
Gohan 1,25
That should be the gap

I did'nt read that all but Just some numbers, if you want i can help you with this in pm
thanks for the feedback! I thought Cell was still stronger than Gohan simply Gohan was stronger than Goku and was the only one at the time who can reach a new level of power(SSJ2). The grades were a working theory about how they work because I don't really agree with the grades receiving a boost larger than 50x especially MSSJ because that is the form most Saiyans use and it's always been 50. The theory basically their power levels still get a x50 boost but th power is more consentrated allowing them to punch up. Anyway thanks for looking and tell me what you think about other gaps
Oh, that's nothing. Gohan was stronger than Goku even as a ssj, that's It. And really, ssj grades have a multiplier higher than x50 , they have to in order to make sense
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:54 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:28 am
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 am
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:40 am


Grades 2 and 3 base to necessarely be stronger than ssj as a multiplier, Just saying. Said that, these Power level are'nt even considerabile as lowball in my eyes, are Just too low. The gaps are wrong too, we know that Cell games Gohan Is stronger than Cell games Goku, but a 177/176 gap Is literally nothing. They would have been nearly as strong as each other like this, but we know that Gohan held a significant advantage basing on his fight with Cell, Who was said to be a step ahead Goku in strenght.
Goku 1
Cell 1,2
Gohan 1,25
That should be the gap

I did'nt read that all but Just some numbers, if you want i can help you with this in pm
thanks for the feedback! I thought Cell was still stronger than Gohan simply Gohan was stronger than Goku and was the only one at the time who can reach a new level of power(SSJ2). The grades were a working theory about how they work because I don't really agree with the grades receiving a boost larger than 50x especially MSSJ because that is the form most Saiyans use and it's always been 50. The theory basically their power levels still get a x50 boost but th power is more consentrated allowing them to punch up. Anyway thanks for looking and tell me what you think about other gaps
Oh, that's nothing. Gohan was stronger than Goku even as a ssj, that's It. And really, ssj grades have a multiplier higher than x50 , they have to in order to make sense
Well MSSJ has to have a multiplier of 50 because 50 is the multiplier used in every other source so I came up with this theory

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm

Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:54 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:28 am
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 am


thanks for the feedback! I thought Cell was still stronger than Gohan simply Gohan was stronger than Goku and was the only one at the time who can reach a new level of power(SSJ2). The grades were a working theory about how they work because I don't really agree with the grades receiving a boost larger than 50x especially MSSJ because that is the form most Saiyans use and it's always been 50. The theory basically their power levels still get a x50 boost but th power is more consentrated allowing them to punch up. Anyway thanks for looking and tell me what you think about other gaps
Oh, that's nothing. Gohan was stronger than Goku even as a ssj, that's It. And really, ssj grades have a multiplier higher than x50 , they have to in order to make sense
Well MSSJ has to have a multiplier of 50 because 50 is the multiplier used in every other source so I came up with this theory
Yeah, the only exception to that Is grade 4 , that Is as strong as a regular ssj multiplier wise. But grades 2 and 3 are infact stronger as multipliers
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:54 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:28 am

Oh, that's nothing. Gohan was stronger than Goku even as a ssj, that's It. And really, ssj grades have a multiplier higher than x50 , they have to in order to make sense
Well MSSJ has to have a multiplier of 50 because 50 is the multiplier used in every other source so I came up with this theory
Yeah, the only exception to that Is grade 4 , that Is as strong as a regular ssj multiplier wise. But grades 2 and 3 are infact stronger as multipliers
hmm so do you think my theory works for grade 4 then?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:08 am

Also I am planing on making a revised version, keeping elements I enjoyed but incorporating the thoughts of everyone else

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:45 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:54 pm


Well MSSJ has to have a multiplier of 50 because 50 is the multiplier used in every other source so I came up with this theory
Yeah, the only exception to that Is grade 4 , that Is as strong as a regular ssj multiplier wise. But grades 2 and 3 are infact stronger as multipliers
hmm so do you think my theory works for grade 4 then?
Well, not really if you wanna divide the multiplier by stats, you have to divide it by 3 and follow el manga legendario, that says that g3's Power Is X10 of the prior grade
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:14 am

p-hyvo wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:45 am
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm

Yeah, the only exception to that Is grade 4 , that Is as strong as a regular ssj multiplier wise. But grades 2 and 3 are infact stronger as multipliers
hmm so do you think my theory works for grade 4 then?
Well, not really if you wanna divide the multiplier by stats, you have to divide it by 3 and follow el manga legendario, that says that g3's Power Is X10 of the prior grade
hmmm ok I haven't heard of that. Not saying your lying, I believe it. Huh ok then i'll look into that

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kenneth La Torre » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:44 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:42 pm
Kenneth La Torre wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:15 pm
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That dialogue does imply he wasn't going all out against Gotenks, I guess you could say that perhaps the parity was disrupted by Buu letting his guard down and was saved by the time limit of the fusion.

But by the end of the fight Buu just wants it to stop, he is getting stomped and can't even react to it. Piccolo also said Buu wasn't happy with how the fight was going. I don't know, I watch that fight and feel like if Gotenks didn't fool around so much, he could've finished the fight earlier.
Super Buu was always confident in his power, even in situations when he was extremly outclassed by the fighter. heck, In the anime (probably the manga as well) He had lines where he stated Vegito cant beat him, and we know how that situation unfolded.
The line your referring to is Buuhan happily boasting about his newfound power. He was basing his judgment off of a metamoran fusion. Not that you were wrong just clarifying
true, but knowing now how fusion works (base fusion > maximum form saiyans) would it make much of a difference?
Super Gogeta would give him the same treatment if Buuhan isnt over 50x stronger than ssj3 Goku.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:08 pm

Kenneth La Torre wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:44 am
Mad Swami wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:42 pm
Kenneth La Torre wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:15 pm


Super Buu was always confident in his power, even in situations when he was extremly outclassed by the fighter. heck, In the anime (probably the manga as well) He had lines where he stated Vegito cant beat him, and we know how that situation unfolded.
The line your referring to is Buuhan happily boasting about his newfound power. He was basing his judgment off of a metamoran fusion. Not that you were wrong just clarifying
true, but knowing now how fusion works (base fusion > maximum form saiyans) would it make much of a difference?
Super Gogeta would give him the same treatment if Buuhan isnt over 50x stronger than ssj3 Goku.
Well I am not saying Gogeta wouldnt beat Buuhan more Buuhan's claim come from his understanding of metamorean fusion

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