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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:45 pm

Games have been making up their own power levels for years. Those numbers don't really have any bearing on anything but the game itself.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:06 pm

Kaboom wrote:
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Games have been making up their own power levels for years. Those numbers don't really have any bearing on anything but the game itself.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm

So who was stronger? Kid Buu or SS3 Goku?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by wolflonnie » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:57 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:51 pm
DBZ Kakarot has chimed in on the PL thing:
Cell Games Gohan and Goku are at almost 8M, which to me is a little low, but I guess the game lowballs them. Or maybe if I'd leveled up more, we could be talking about higher numbers. All in all, I think the PL they present are pretty decent(not just these I've mentioned), even if I have Cell Games Son family closer to 30M than 10M.

Anyway, back to the show, base Goku and Vegeta in Namek were around 3M at best, I don't see anything implying that in the android saga they went from that to close to 100M. Specially after Namek, when their training was focused on their SS forms. Except for those 3 years prior to the androids where I believe they did exploit their base forms.
The same goes for the Buu arc, they all train as SS, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, even Goku in that filler were he shows off to the other Kaiosama. They don't take their base form that serious anymore, Whis is the one that takes then back to the roots and prohibites them to transform. So, I can't buy their bases surpassing Freeza due to "collateral damage" of their training.
I think that game stopped trying after the Namek saga: Piccolo is outrageously low, which might be a deliberate choice to not have him (and Android 18) obscenely higher than the saiyans, without having to skyrocket the saiyans' PL every time they learn a transformation. But still.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:11 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm
So who was stronger? Kid Buu or SS3 Goku?
I would definitely say SSJ3 Goku in terms of power, but due to Kid Buu's regeneration he was able to keep up

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:33 pm

wolflonnie wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:57 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:51 pm
DBZ Kakarot has chimed in on the PL thing:
Cell Games Gohan and Goku are at almost 8M, which to me is a little low, but I guess the game lowballs them. Or maybe if I'd leveled up more, we could be talking about higher numbers. All in all, I think the PL they present are pretty decent(not just these I've mentioned), even if I have Cell Games Son family closer to 30M than 10M.

Anyway, back to the show, base Goku and Vegeta in Namek were around 3M at best, I don't see anything implying that in the android saga they went from that to close to 100M. Specially after Namek, when their training was focused on their SS forms. Except for those 3 years prior to the androids where I believe they did exploit their base forms.
The same goes for the Buu arc, they all train as SS, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, even Goku in that filler were he shows off to the other Kaiosama. They don't take their base form that serious anymore, Whis is the one that takes then back to the roots and prohibites them to transform. So, I can't buy their bases surpassing Freeza due to "collateral damage" of their training.
I think that game stopped trying after the Namek saga: Piccolo is outrageously low, which might be a deliberate choice to not have him (and Android 18) obscenely higher than the saiyans, without having to skyrocket the saiyans' PL every time they learn a transformation. But still.
Yeah, I mean even after Gohan awakened his power and they game is done, he is still behind Goku. Gohan is like 9M and Goku 10M. They still can't touch 50% FF Freeza lol.
ZombieVito wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm
So who was stronger? Kid Buu or SS3 Goku?
Power-wise, SS3 Goku. After fighting him he was still confident that his power was enough. The power drain betrayed him.

Worst case scenario, they are even.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:41 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm
So who was stronger? Kid Buu or SS3 Goku?
I think Goku had the edge in raw power. Boo's regeneration and infinite stamina more than evened the odds, though.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm

Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.

But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:45 pm

I think Abocado is the form that rivals Freeza, so he might be able to beat the Base Saiyans.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm
Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.

But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
He could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga Goku

That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm
Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.

But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
He could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga Goku

That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
Are the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more so

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:58 pm

Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pm
Koitsukai wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm
Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.

But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
He could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga Goku

That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
Are the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more so
Yes, both Goku and daizenshuu aknowledges that clones inside buu are as strong as the originals
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:21 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:58 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pm

He could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga Goku

That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
Are the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more so
Yes, both Goku and daizenshuu aknowledges that clones inside buu are as strong as the originals
Oh ok my bad. Thanks

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:08 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:21 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:58 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pm


Are the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more so
Yes, both Goku and daizenshuu aknowledges that clones inside buu are as strong as the originals
Oh ok my bad. Thanks
That's Nothing, it's Always a pleasure to help someone Discovery new things.
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mireya » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm

Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?

Personally:

Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000

You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:54 pm

Mireya wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?

Personally:

Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000

You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.
Vegeta: 18,000
Frieza: 120,000,000
Cell: 2,350,000,000-3,460,000,000
Kid Buu: 7,230,000,000-8,350,000,000
Super Buu: 19,000,000,000-21,000,000,000
Buuhan: 500,000,000,000

That's just me however

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:56 am

Mireya wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?

Personally:

Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000

You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.
Vegeta 18'000
Freezer 159'000'000 (healthy) , 120'000'000 (injuried)
Cell 1'500'000'000'000 (perfect), 300'000'000'000'000 (super perfect)
Kid buu 2'200'000'000'000'000 (manga), 2'640'000'000'000'000'000 (anime)
Super buu 324'000'000'000'000'000
Buuhan 824'000'642'000'000'000 , 41'200'032'100'000'000'000 (rage, anime only)
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
Lol

Also i don't wanna be rude, even if i know i can seem It sometimes. I'm Just too harsh in some occasions, that's It. I can't control that. Is not that i want to be and asshole or mean to you, i Simply don't know how to Say what i think i other ways .Just clarifying

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:52 am

Mireya wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?
Vegeta is at 18,000 and Freeza is at 120 million. We've had official numbers for both those guys for almost 30 years now, no debate or speculation needed.

Battle of Gods gave us an upper ceiling for Goku's base-form power (still weaker than Freeza), which retroactively gave us rough ceilings for him and others in the Boo and Cell arcs too. So even with all the power-leapfrogging going on during the Cell/Androids arc, even the top players can only end up so strong. For me at current, Cell at his strongest is at 7 billion.

Pure Boo: 30 billion, A bit below SS3 Goku (36b).
Evil Boo: Around 100 billion, waaaay stronger than SS3 Goku.
Gohan-absorbed Boo: 250 billion, simply adding Gohan's power to his own.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Mad Swami » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:39 am

Kaboom wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:52 am
Mireya wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?
Vegeta is at 18,000 and Freeza is at 120 million. We've had official numbers for both those guys for almost 30 years now, no debate or speculation needed.

Battle of Gods gave us an upper ceiling for Goku's base-form power (still weaker than Freeza), which retroactively gave us rough ceilings for him and others in the Boo and Cell arcs too. So even with all the power-leapfrogging going on during the Cell/Androids arc, even the top players can only end up so strong. For me at current, Cell at his strongest is at 7 billion.

Pure Boo: 30 billion, A bit below SS3 Goku (36b).
Evil Boo: Around 100 billion, waaaay stronger than SS3 Goku.
Gohan-absorbed Boo: 250 billion, simply adding Gohan's power to his own.
You said Buuhan is just adding Gohan and Pure Buu but what about Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo? If I am misunderstanding then my apologies

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:41 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:39 am
You said Buuhan is just adding Gohan and Pure Buu but what about Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo? If I am misunderstanding then my apologies
Their power is so small and inconsequential compared to Ultimate Gohan's that I usually just don't even bother factoring them in. If Gohan is at 150, then the combined power of Piccolo, base Trunks, and base Gohan wouldn't even be a 2.
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