Mad Swami wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:48 pm
I personally think they get a bit too high near the end but they are pretty good I would say. I put Goku buu saga at 45M and Gohan Cell saga like 38M. I think when he goes SSJ2 however he unlocks more power pushing Gohan from like 3.8B to around 4.2B. Again just my calculations
Funny, because I tried to be very minimalistic here. You can see that in the Gotenks part even where I just make him 5x stronger with SSJ3.
As for the Base forms, I think they kinda just max out. You’ll often find statements in the series about characters reaching their limits, and that their new form is what allowed them to go further. So I think all Base Saiyans are still stuck in the 3 million base, with only their SSJ power constantly increasing until they reach a peak with their Full Power SSJ2 or SSJ3 power.
Koitsukai wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:11 pm
I like most of this numbers except two of them.
-I disagree about Goten and Trunks, if they were that strong (high Cell Games tier), then vs 18, even with the difficulties of the MM suit, they should've taken her out without much effort. On their own they would be over 10x stronger than her, that kind of gap can't be closed just by an uncomfortable suit. I don't think they are stronger than SS Vegeta.
-I think Piccolo by the Cell Games should be closer to 2nd form Cell, considering he wasn't being crushed by the Cell Jrs although being outclassed, and that he trained his ass off. He could hardly help with such a low BP.
Also, I'm curious about why you think Gogeta would be weaker than Buuhan. I agree the rival boost gives the edge to Vegito, but the latter was still way above Buuhan, so without the rival boost Gogeta should still have the edge.
The suit will always be limiting them no matter the power advantage, because abrupt movements would simply torn the suit apart. They had enough power to beat 18 as shown with their suppressed blast scaring her, but could barely move in it.
Well, very early on Vegeta told Nappa that hybrids are naturally stronger than the pure Saiyans. While it’s arguable Goten and Trunks were in different stages of the SSJ power than Vegeta thanks to lesser experience, Goten is shown to be a solid sparring partner for Gohan and his Daizenshuu 2 bio states they’re equals. Vegeta is still stronger thanks to having SSJ2 in his pocket and being a better fighter overall.
The Cell Jrs weren’t taking most Z Fighters seriously and stated by Cell and shown by the humans taking quite a beating as well, so I don’t think that means much. Sure he trained, but in a time when transformations were the bulk of their gains I don’t see Piccolo improving much. Maybe I could raise him past #16?
Gohan-Boo said Goku and Vegeta shouldn’t be a problem even if they merged and Goku said Potara was the only way to beat Majin Boo, so it seems like at least rival boost-less Gogeta should be below Majin Boo. He may be stronger thanks to rival boost, but he ought to still be below Vegetto.