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My GT/Super List would be like:
1. Gogeta SSJ4
2. Whis/Vados (at their best)/Super-Yi Xing Long
3. Super 17 (At his best)/ Goku SSJ4/ Vegeta SSJ4 (at their best)/Nova and Yi
4. Lord Beerus/Champa (at their best)/SSJ4 Goku/SSJ4 Vegeta/Baby (at his best)
5. Golden Freeza (at his best)/SSJB Goku and Vegeta (weaker than Freeza but not that significant)/Super 17/Baby
That will probably change once I have more information.
1. Gogeta SSJ4
2. Whis/Vados (at their best)/Super-Yi Xing Long
3. Super 17 (At his best)/ Goku SSJ4/ Vegeta SSJ4 (at their best)/Nova and Yi
4. Lord Beerus/Champa (at their best)/SSJ4 Goku/SSJ4 Vegeta/Baby (at his best)
5. Golden Freeza (at his best)/SSJB Goku and Vegeta (weaker than Freeza but not that significant)/Super 17/Baby
That will probably change once I have more information.
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Wasn't Super Vegetto stated to be more or less on par with SSJ4 Goku? Because given how Goku says that not even Fusion would be enough to match Beerus, I'd say Super's characters outmatch GT's characters by a mile.
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Dragon Ball does not care about making sense.
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I believe all it says is that Vegetto may or may not be stronger than SSJ4 and its not really specified which Vegetto it means. I'd also like to point out that Goku's statement both doesn't make sense and is clearly not objective in the least, especially in the movie.DanielSSJ wrote:Wasn't Super Vegetto stated to be more or less on par with SSJ4 Goku? Because given how Goku says that not even Fusion would be enough to match Beerus, I'd say Super's characters outmatch GT's characters by a mile.
In BoG, Goku's arrogance is made a big deal out of to the point where he acts like he's the one who beat Freeza, Cell and Boo and is frustrated that he needs anyone else's help even though that's the only reason he wins any fight in the Z era. Goku putting Beerus on such a ridiculous level, especially since he has no idea how strong Beerus is since he can't sense him kind of proves that in BoG at least, Goku's not really a good judge of his opponents strength.
This is also backed up by the fact you don't need to be a Vegetto level fighter to finger flick Goku. Gotenks and Gohan can do that to him too, so he's clearly over-blowing Beerus because his ego needs Beerus to be this improbably strong guy.
In Super, this line isn't so much a character thing as it just doesn't make sense. You don't need to be able to smash SSJ3 Vegetto to smash SSJ3 Goku, you don't even need to be over 10% stronger than Goku to pull something like that off.
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My GT/Super list is something like this:
SSJ4 Gogeta - over 100
Super Ii Shenlong - 50
Ii Shenlong - 30
SSJ4 Goku (surpassed limits), SSJ4 Vegeta and Super 17 at his max - 25
Oozaru Baby - 20
SSJ4 Goku (normal) - 18
Whis - 15
Sì Shenlong - 15
San Shenlong - 12
Beerus - 10
Base Super 17 and every other form of Baby - less than 10
SSJ4 Gogeta - over 100
Super Ii Shenlong - 50
Ii Shenlong - 30
SSJ4 Goku (surpassed limits), SSJ4 Vegeta and Super 17 at his max - 25
Oozaru Baby - 20
SSJ4 Goku (normal) - 18
Whis - 15
Sì Shenlong - 15
San Shenlong - 12
Beerus - 10
Base Super 17 and every other form of Baby - less than 10
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My GT/Super list
Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
SSJ4 Gogeta - 8.5
Golden Frieza - 8.5
SSGSS Goku/Vegeta - 7.5
SSJG Goku - 6
Omega Shenron - 4
BoG SSJ3 Vegetto - 1.6
Rageta - 0.7
SSJ4 Goku/SSJ4 Vegeta, and BoG SSJ Vegetto - 0.2
"After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"
It implies that they're talking about Super Vegetto and he's around the same power.
Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
SSJ4 Gogeta - 8.5
Golden Frieza - 8.5
SSGSS Goku/Vegeta - 7.5
SSJG Goku - 6
Omega Shenron - 4
BoG SSJ3 Vegetto - 1.6
Rageta - 0.7
SSJ4 Goku/SSJ4 Vegeta, and BoG SSJ Vegetto - 0.2
ekrolo2 wrote: I believe all it says is that Vegetto may or may not be stronger than SSJ4 and its not really specified which Vegetto it means. I'd also like to point out that Goku's statement both doesn't make sense and is clearly not objective in the least, especially in the movie.
"After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"
It implies that they're talking about Super Vegetto and he's around the same power.
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Based on the new episode of Dragon Ball Super, how strong are characters at this point? Specifically Gohan and Tagoma.
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Tagoma = Max Perfect CellDanielSSJ wrote:Based on the new episode of Dragon Ball Super, how strong are characters at this point? Specifically Gohan and Tagoma.
Gohan = CG SSJ Goku (base), slightly above SSJ3 Gotenks (SSJ)
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Gohan is weaker than Freeza and stronger than Ginyu. Tagoma in another hand is weaker than Ginyu and stronger than Piccolo.DanielSSJ wrote:Based on the new episode of Dragon Ball Super, how strong are characters at this point? Specifically Gohan and Tagoma.
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I was hoping for some comaprison to past enemies, like Cell or Boo.Hugo Boss wrote:Gohan is weaker than Freeza and stronger than Ginyu. Tagoma in another hand is weaker than Ginyu and stronger than Piccolo.DanielSSJ wrote:Based on the new episode of Dragon Ball Super, how strong are characters at this point? Specifically Gohan and Tagoma.
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There isn't any direct comparison to these sort of characters as far as I've seen. The only noticeable thing is that after being tortured by Freeza for 4 months Tagoma became stronger than the elite group of former Ginyu Force, while Shisami aparently continued at Zarbon's and Dodoria's level.
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You shouldn't try to compare Super characters with Z characters. It won't make much sense. If I ever make a PL list of Super, it will have its own scale.
Shisami is considered a "strong" enemy by Kuririn, so much that Gohan wanted to fight him (and there's him being on par with Piccolo in the movie, but well).
Shisami is considered a "strong" enemy by Kuririn, so much that Gohan wanted to fight him (and there's him being on par with Piccolo in the movie, but well).
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I don't considered Shisami on the level of Piccolo in Super, since Gohan was completely unaffected by an attempted bear hug, and just kept talking as if it was nothing.
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I've calculated PLs from manga & anime into consideration, with the following points in mind:
This is a list prepared while focusing on manga & anime only. Some are theoretical numbers that are deduced by scenarios. Highest official power level is 1 million for frieza second form. (Assumption is that frieza has 120 mil FP.)
Raditz arc:
Vegeta arc:
Namek - Frieza arc:
Androids arc:
POST TRAINING:
From now, k = 1000x , M = million will be used due to high PLs
HTC = hyperbolic time chamber
Cell arc:
Since everone is in millions, M will be skipped. So, PLs are in 1 million units now on.
Buu arc:
BUU
DBS
BoG arc:
Golden frieza arc (super):
More edits will likely be made with DB super progressing.
Transformation guide:
Fusion guide:
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A try for pre Z power levels.
I'll go on a reverse approach, i.e. stronger to weaker.
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Piccolo Jr saga:
King piccolo saga:
Tien saga:
Fortuneteller Baba Saga:
Encounter with RRA:
21 WMA tournament:
As a reference, I have goku BoDB at 15.
Movie / GT power level list
The tree of might:
Timeline : Takes place when goku has defeated both nappa & vegeta and killed them and all his friends are alive. They train & become strong.
Lord slug
Timeline: Goku has defeated all the evil saiyans in last movie, so he didn't go to namek. So, no frieza fight. However, all the Z fighters train, & about 1.5 years later, slug arrives.
Cooler's revenge
Timeline : Goku arrives on earth after learning IT by sensing his friends. So, he's not trained for full year on yadrat. No KC & mecha frieza arrived here. But goku was much stronger than he was in original timeline by training with friends.
Meta cooler is not taken into consideration due to being difficult to rate.
Super android 13:
Timeline : Hard to tell, but it is safe to say that this takes place before HTC training, but after goku's recovery. So, everyone is as strong as they were before HTC training. Kami fusion hasn't taken place
Broly, The LEGENDARY super saiyan:
Timeline: This is the only movie till now which can fit nearly perfectly in the original canon. It takes place before the training of goku & gohan is complete in HTC. So, Goku is FP SS, gohan & others are in ascended form.
Bojack :
Timeline : Takes place after 8-9 months of cell's defeat. Gohan is about as strong as he was in cell games, due to zenkai boost, & slacking off.
Second coming of broly
Timeline : This movie happens before buu saga, but in the time skip. However, it is not too close to buu saga, seeing goku isn't in SS3 form. But goten & trunks are much stronger here than in canon.
Bio broly is skipped due to being ridiculous.
Fusion reborn
Timeline : Goku defeats fat buu in his SS3 form in this timeline, then goes back being into afterlife, while vegeta is dead too. So, janemba fights him after death of fat buu.
Wrath of dragon
Timeline: It takes place sometime after kid buu's defeat. In this timeline, Goku trains very hard, & becomes even stronger than SS3 gotenks in his SS3 form. Gohan in his ultimate form is much weaker in this movie.
So, movies are over. Now, it is time to rate GT.
GT
All initially in million, unless specified.
Shadow dragon arc:
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Androids arc:
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Cell arc:
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Buu arc:
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DRAGON BALL
A try for pre Z power levels.
I'll go on a reverse approach, i.e. stronger to weaker.
Dragon ball:
Piccolo Jr saga:
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Movie / GT power level list
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The tree of might:
Timeline : Takes place when goku has defeated both nappa & vegeta and killed them and all his friends are alive. They train & become strong.
Spoiler:
Timeline: Goku has defeated all the evil saiyans in last movie, so he didn't go to namek. So, no frieza fight. However, all the Z fighters train, & about 1.5 years later, slug arrives.
Spoiler:
Timeline : Goku arrives on earth after learning IT by sensing his friends. So, he's not trained for full year on yadrat. No KC & mecha frieza arrived here. But goku was much stronger than he was in original timeline by training with friends.
Spoiler:
Super android 13:
Timeline : Hard to tell, but it is safe to say that this takes place before HTC training, but after goku's recovery. So, everyone is as strong as they were before HTC training. Kami fusion hasn't taken place
Spoiler:
Timeline: This is the only movie till now which can fit nearly perfectly in the original canon. It takes place before the training of goku & gohan is complete in HTC. So, Goku is FP SS, gohan & others are in ascended form.
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Timeline : Takes place after 8-9 months of cell's defeat. Gohan is about as strong as he was in cell games, due to zenkai boost, & slacking off.
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Timeline : This movie happens before buu saga, but in the time skip. However, it is not too close to buu saga, seeing goku isn't in SS3 form. But goten & trunks are much stronger here than in canon.
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Fusion reborn
Timeline : Goku defeats fat buu in his SS3 form in this timeline, then goes back being into afterlife, while vegeta is dead too. So, janemba fights him after death of fat buu.
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Timeline: It takes place sometime after kid buu's defeat. In this timeline, Goku trains very hard, & becomes even stronger than SS3 gotenks in his SS3 form. Gohan in his ultimate form is much weaker in this movie.
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GT
All initially in million, unless specified.
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Interesting list, bro! But I think you could organize them in a better way using spoiler tags
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I assume you meant to put "200" here.apex_pretador wrote: Roshi - 2000 (exact)
Gotenks - 3000
Gohan - 600 , SS 3600
Piccolo - 600 (clothes) , 720
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Good IdeaNoah wrote:Interesting list, bro! But I think you could organize them in a better way using spoiler tags
Nope. He got a little bit stronger due to training with krillin for android wait.Sandubadear wrote:I assume you meant to put "200" here.apex_pretador wrote: Roshi - 2000 (exact)
Gotenks - 3000
Gohan - 600 , SS 3600
Piccolo - 600 (clothes) , 720
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"A little bit stronger" puts Roshi being two-thirds as strong as Gotenks, and stronger than Gohan and Piccolo combined?apex_pretador wrote:Good IdeaNoah wrote:Interesting list, bro! But I think you could organize them in a better way using spoiler tags
Nope. He got a little bit stronger due to training with krillin for android wait.Sandubadear wrote:I assume you meant to put "200" here.apex_pretador wrote: Roshi - 2000 (exact)
Gotenks - 3000
Gohan - 600 , SS 3600
Piccolo - 600 (clothes) , 720
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Then he's stronger than Piccolo and Tagoma/Ginyu??apex_pretador wrote: Nope. He got a little bit stronger due to training with krillin for android wait.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Most of the other numbers on his list are in units of millions, to cut down on zeroes. So I think by the "exact" next to Muten Roshi's number, he means Roshi's PL is actually exactly 2,000 while the others are in the hundreds of millions or billions.
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