Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

I have Pui Pui at 20,000

[Analytic]

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

1,000,000,000. (Equal to Android saga SS Vegeta.)

[DanielSSJ]

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

Well, he looks a little like Freeza's third form, so around 2,000,000 give or take.

[ZombieVito]

I have Pui Pui a little higher than first form Freeza to give Babidi's "Only recruits the strongest warriors in the universe" line some validation.

Lately I put him at 720,000.

[Darkron2151]

I feel as though I'm one of the few that actually highball Pui Pui by putting him at 4,800,000 (exactly 10x weaker than I have Pre-Majin Base Vegeta). Like ZombieVito said above (except I take it a step further), Babidi's reputation for hiring the strongest fighters has a lot more substance if Pui Pui is much stronger than any of Freeza's restricted forms IMO.

1,000,000,000. (Equal to Android saga SS Vegeta.)

Nevermind, I take it back, THIS is highballing.

[RandomGuy96]

I put him at 180,000 because I like having the power levels of Babidi's fighters be similar to the previous arc villains.

Pui Pui = Oozaru Vegeta

Yakon = base Freeza

Dabra = Perfect Cell

[apex_pretador]

I put him at 180,000 because I like having the power levels of Babidi's fighters be similar to the previous arc villains.

Pui Pui = Oozaru Vegeta

Yakon = base Freeza

Dabra = Perfect Cell

Then pui pui must be more around 18000, because:


Pui Pui = base vegeta (non-ozaru)

Yakon = base freeza (non full-power)

Dabra = base Perfect cell (Non super perfect)

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

1,000,000,000. (Equal to Android saga SS Vegeta.)

isn't it a bit too low?

That is so sad it's hilarious haha. DanielSSJ report his ass.

I have Pui Pui a little higher than first form Freeza to give Babidi's "Only recruits the strongest warriors in the universe" line some validation.

Lately I put him at 720,000.

The top 5 strongest in universe before namek arc were:


Freeza - 120 M
Cold - MUCH, MUCH less than 120 M, but MUCH, MUCH more than 2 M
Yakon - probably below cold
Ginyu - 120,000
Nail - 42,000

out of which 4 exist no more.
Even cui was in the strongest beings of the universe. (top 15)








With that all said, I have him at 18,200 - exact equal to cui

[Khin]

I got a question,does the SEG which have the multipliers for SS2 and SS3 have the 50x multiplier for Super Saiyan as well ? Because I'm currently making my list for Android Arc and beyond and I'm planning to have the FPSS the same boost as Grade III.

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

I have him at 750,000

[Kaboom]

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

It bounces back and forth, but my ever-morphing list currently places Pui-Pui at 180,000, equivalent to Oozaru Vegeta. I think he's best off being at least in the hundreds of thousands to merit being called one of the universe's strongest warriors.

I got a question,does the SEG which have the multipliers for SS2 and SS3 have the 50x multiplier for Super Saiyan as well ? Because I'm currently making my list for Android Arc and beyond and I'm planning to have the FPSS the same boost as Grade III.

Yep, it lists the same good ol' "Super Saiyan is battle power x50" multiplier right alongside the new SS2 and SS3 ones.

Nothing out there really says full-power Super Saiyan is actually stronger or has a higher "multiplier" than regular Super Saiyan. In fact, only the opposite's ever implied, that Goku decided powering up in excess was disadvantageous. At some point the books even stopped giving the mastered version a different label.

The way I figure everything's meant to be is that Super Saiyan on its own doesn't grant any extra power when mastered, but being able to remain in the form for extended periods of time makes training within it more effective. So Goku and Gohan don't end up stronger than Vegeta and Trunks because they're using a stronger transformation, but because their overall strength (in both base and SS) has improved drastically from training. Something like this...

Vegeta: 10
-- Super Saiyan (x50): 500
-- SS Grade 2 (x1.5): 750

Goku: 30
-- Super Saiyan (x50): 1,500

[Khin]

New username and new battle power list.Feedbacks will be appreciated.

Trunks Arc | Android Arc | Cell Arc

I'll update my list for Minus,Saiyan,Namek and Freeza Arc later.

[Analytic]

What are your numbers for Pui Pui?

1,000,000,000. (Equal to Android saga SS Vegeta.)

isn't it a bit too low?

Did you mean high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this site besides ahill1 try to argue for Pocus being that strong.

[DanielSSJ]

Did you mean high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this site besides ahill1 try to argue for Pocus being that strong.

I get the feeling that he was being sarcastic.

[ahill1]

I probably already asked it, but I'd like to see your numbers again:

Future Android #17
Future Android #18

Trunks SSJ (Androids saga)
Goku SSJ (Androids saga)
Vegeta SSJ (Androids saga)

Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town)

Future Android #17: 280,000,000
Future Android #18: 270,000,000

Trunks SSJ (Androids saga): 180,000,000
Goku SSJ (Androids saga): 240,000,000
Vegeta SSJ (Androids saga): 250,000,000

Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town): 270,000,000

Why do you think Vegeta was that stronger than Trunks?

[RandomGuy96]

Because I don't think he should be that different from when he fought Freeza and Cold. He only had eight months to train iirc. Also, Trunks was in awe of Vegeta's power when he displayed it against Android 18, speaking like he was not on that level.

[Analytic]

Three years of training made him over 50x stronger; can't eight months at least yield noteworthy gains? All of the Super Saiyans are grouped together quite a few times (Tenshinhan even saying that they're not that different from one another) and Trunks was able to keep up with Vegeta when looking for Gero's lab. I think they should all be within the same league.

[ahill1]

^Agreed. I'd have the three Super Saiyans in the same range of power during the Androids saga:

Vegeta 100
Goku 95
Trunks 88

^That's what I like. Trunks is noticeable weaker than Vegeta but still in the same range of power IMO.

[DBZAOTA482]

I probably already asked it, but I'd like to see your numbers again:

Future Android #17
Future Android #18

Trunks SSJ (Androids saga)
Goku SSJ (Androids saga)
Vegeta SSJ (Androids saga)

Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town)

Goku:

• 7,000,000
  350,000,000 (Super Saiyan)

Vegeta:

• 7,400,000
  370,000,000 (Super Saiyan)

Trunks:

• 6,500,000
  325,000,000 (Super Saiyan)

Android #17:

• 400,000,000 (future)
  500,000,000

Android #18:

• 380,000,000 (future)
  480,000,000

Cell:

• 430,000,000 (imperfect; initial)
  1,100,000,000 (imperfect)

[apex_pretador]

1,000,000,000. (Equal to Android saga SS Vegeta.)

isn't it a bit too low?

Did you mean high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this site besides ahill1 try to argue for Pocus being that strong.

Obviously that's ridiculously high. A being who bragged about being strongest in a 10g planet vs the strongest in the universe - the result must be clear. You have him 8x Freeza?

1,000,000,000 is the number I have for buu arc SS goku

[LightBing]

Regarding Mirai Trunks power. I have him barely stronger than when he fought Mecha Freeza, he only had eight months to get stronger.

What I disagree, with basically everybody since I never saw a concurring opinion. Is that Goku(Yardrat) was stronger than Mirai Trunks, I never understood that. I have Trunks much stronger than Goku. Here's why:

- Trunks spent 8 months in the future before returning, no reason to believe he gained that much power without any special training or partners. We know he's decently close to Goku and Vegeta in the Android Arc, since he's usually coupled with them.

- Goku said Trunks was holding back in their clash:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P13.3-5
Context: after Trunks and Goku fight
Trunks: “As expected, the rumors were true. No, you’re even greater…This was the sword that cut even Freeza…”
Goku: “You weren’t serious, after all.”

- Trunks said he could fight on pair with the Future Androids, individually.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”

In the chapter Trunks history, he barely survives an encounter with the Androids. After that, he immediately decides to use the time-machine and ask Goku for help, finally following his mother's will.
That should have been that last time he fought the Androids, so he was on pair with them at the time of Mecha Freeza. Don't forget, Trunks is a careful character.
It would make no sense whatsoever, if he fought the androids during the 8 months he waited for the time-machine to recharge.

Thought's? I don't think my theory has any holes.

[Analytic]

Future Gohan never reached his father's strength, and Trunks is barely any different from Gohan.

Future Trunks >= Future Gohan

Post-Yardrat Goku > Future Gohan