Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Godo]

Here is my (not serious!) DBGT powerlevel list:

Son Goku (adult) - 50,000,000
Uub - 50,000,000
Uub (maximum attainable power) - 3,900,000,000

Kid Goku - 1,000,000,000,000,000
Pan - 40,000
Arroz - 20,000
Paella - Yummy
Trunks - 2,000,000

SSJ Kid Goku - 150,000,000
SSJ Teen Goku - 175,000,000
SSJ Toddler Goku - 25,000,000

Sigma Force - 1,000,000 to 4,000,000
Sigma Force Cannon - 15,000,000
Sigma (from Megaman X) - 3,500

General Rildo - 50,000,000
Sigma Rildo - 100,000,000
Metal Rildo - 190,000,000
Wood Rildo - 20,000,000
Plastic Rildo - 45,000,000

Bebi - 4,000,000
Baby - STEP INTO THE G-!!
Bebi's Baby - 2,500,000
Super Trunks - 100,000,000

Mature Bebi - 30,000,000
Immature Bebi - 25,000,000

Goten - 2,000,000
Super Goten - 100,000,000
Ultra Goten - Hawt with the gurlz

Gohan - 4,000,000
Super Gohan - 200,000,000
Mystic Gohan - 4,500,000,000

Vegeta - 60,000,000
Super Vegeta - 2,250,000,000

Bebi Vegeta - 7,000,000
Bebi Vegeta 2 - 700,000,000
Vegeta's Baby - 45,000

Super Kid Goku 3 - 2,000,000

Uub - 300,000,000
Majuub (Buu type fusion) - 650,000,000
Buujab (potara)- 4,500,000,000
Majbuu (fusion dance) - 3,000,000,000
Bad choice, Uub.

Super Ape Kid Goku - 1,500,000,000
Super Tiger Kid Goku - 2,000,000,000
Super Bear Kid Goku - 1,750,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,200,000,000

Super Ape Bebi Vegeta - 2,400,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,500,000,000 (Powered Up)
Super Son Goku 4 - 1,500,000,000 (Powered Down)

Seventeen - 28,000,000
Hell Seventeen - 140,000,000
Android 17: 350,000,000

Goten - 500,000
Trunks - 700,000
Majuub - 220,000,000
All got pretty much a lot weaker to make the story hold.

Freeza - 150,000,000
Cell - 2,000,000,000
Kid Goku - 1,000,000,000,000,000 with interest

Vegeta - 6,000,000

Super Seventeen - 400,000,000

Super Goten -What does it
Super Trunks - matter. They didn't
Pan - do anything after all.

Super Vegeta - 300,000,000

Super Kid Goku -200,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,800,000,000
Goku's IQ at this arc: 50

Super Seventeen - 3,000,000,000,000 by sucking in Goku's energy for too many episodes.

Eighteen - 325,000,000
Kid Goku [Super Dragon Fist] - 1,000,000,000,000,000 with tax

Lust Shenron - 1,950,000
Gluttony Shenron - 3,000,000 to 3,000,000,000
Greed Shenron - 40,000,000
Envy Shenron - 1,800,000,000
Sloth Shenron - 2,600,000,000
Wrath Shenron - 2,500,000,000

Super Son Goku 4 - 4,100,000,000 (Surpassed Limits, don't ask me how)

Pride Shenron - 9,300,000,000

Super Vegeta 4 - 2,300,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,300,000,000 (Weakened)

Super Gogeta 4 - 46,000,000,000

Universe Genki Dama - 100,000,000,000
Base Goku - Unlimited

[JulieYBM]

Post deletion glitch. >_<

That's a lot of zeros, Godo!

[Godo]

Post deletion glitch. >_<

That's a lot of zeros, Godo!

I knew that it was going to happen, so I Copied it! Most of the zeroes belong to Base Goku's, though. =P

Here is my (not serious!) DBGT powerlevel list:

Son Goku (adult) - 50,000,000
Uub - 50,000,000
Uub (maximum attainable power) - 3,900,000,000

Kid Goku - 1,000,000,000,000,000
Pan - 40,000
Arroz - 20,000
Paella - Yummy
Trunks - 2,000,000

SSJ Kid Goku - 150,000,000
SSJ Teen Goku - 175,000,000
SSJ Toddler Goku - 25,000,000

Sigma Force - 1,000,000 to 4,000,000
Sigma Force Cannon - 15,000,000
Sigma (from Megaman X) - 3,500

General Rildo - 50,000,000
Sigma Rildo - 100,000,000
Metal Rildo - 190,000,000
Wood Rildo - 20,000,000
Plastic Rildo - 45,000,000

Bebi - 4,000,000
Baby - STEP INTO THE G-!!
Bebi's Baby - 2,500,000
Super Trunks - 100,000,000

Mature Bebi - 30,000,000
Immature Bebi - 25,000,000

Goten - 2,000,000
Super Goten - 100,000,000
Ultra Goten - Hawt with the gurlz

Gohan - 4,000,000
Super Gohan - 200,000,000
Mystic Gohan - 4,500,000,000

Vegeta - 60,000,000
Super Vegeta - 2,250,000,000

Bebi Vegeta - 7,000,000
Bebi Vegeta 2 - 700,000,000
Vegeta's Baby - 45,000

Super Kid Goku 3 - 2,000,000

Uub - 300,000,000
Majuub (Buu type fusion) - 650,000,000
Buujab (potara)- 4,500,000,000
Majbuu (fusion dance) - 3,000,000,000
Bad choice, Uub.

Super Ape Kid Goku - 1,500,000,000
Super Tiger Kid Goku - 2,000,000,000
Super Bear Kid Goku - 1,750,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,200,000,000

Super Ape Bebi Vegeta - 2,400,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,500,000,000 (Powered Up)
Super Son Goku 4 - 1,500,000,000 (Powered Down)

Seventeen - 28,000,000
Hell Seventeen - 140,000,000
Android 17: 350,000,000

Goten - 500,000
Trunks - 700,000
Majuub - 220,000,000
All got pretty much a lot weaker to make the story hold.

Freeza - 150,000,000
Cell - 2,000,000,000
Kid Goku - 1,000,000,000,000,000 with interest

Vegeta - 6,000,000

Super Seventeen - 400,000,000

Super Goten -What does it
Super Trunks - matter. They didn't
Pan - do anything after all.

Super Vegeta - 300,000,000

Super Kid Goku -200,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,800,000,000
Goku's IQ at this arc: 50

Super Seventeen - 3,000,000,000,000 by sucking in Goku's energy for too many episodes.

Eighteen - 325,000,000
Kid Goku [Super Dragon Fist] - 1,000,000,000,000,000 with tax

Lust Shenron - 1,950,000
Gluttony Shenron - 3,000,000 to 3,000,000,000
Greed Shenron - 40,000,000
Envy Shenron - 1,800,000,000
Sloth Shenron - 2,600,000,000
Wrath Shenron - 2,500,000,000

Super Son Goku 4 - 4,100,000,000 (Surpassed Limits, don't ask me how)

Pride Shenron - 9,300,000,000

Super Vegeta 4 - 2,300,000,000
Super Son Goku 4 - 2,300,000,000 (Weakened)

Super Gogeta 4 - 46,000,000,000

Universe Genki Dama - 100,000,000,000
Base Goku - Unlimited

[jjgp1112]

lol @ Seven deadly sins Shenrons

[Kaboom]

That was fantastic.

[Xyex]

Haha, nice Godo. But you ripped off my evil dragons! Shame on you.

Alright, now it's time for my 'real' list. Last was just one I'd recently come up with following the Daizenshuu and such. This is one I've been working on these for... years now. They're still not 'perfect' yet, there's issues here and there with them, but I quite like them at this point. Note that while I do follow the stated powers from the series, I do not follow the given powers of the Daizenshuu here. Going to start with the Bardock Special and all of DB. I'll start on Z later (still need to add notes to the list).

-=Bardock Special=-
~Planet Kannassa~
-Saiya-jin-
Totteppo - 3,200
+ Oozaru - 32,000
Panbukin - 3,650
+ Oozaru - 36,500
Seripa - 3,800
+ Oozaru - 38,000
Toma - 4,100
+ Oozaru - 41,000
Bardock - 9,200
+ Oozaru - 92,000

-Natives-
Kannassains - 12,000

* Pretty straight forward here. Bardock's team is, like him, supposed to be lower class, but I figure they, also like him, were all stronger than what they were supposed to be. After all, they'd all be getting into the same situations as him, so it stands to reason they'd make the gains too, just not as much because Bardock's the leader and all. Seripa being in the middle is mainly due to the fact she got more attention in the story than Totteppo and Panbukin, but less than Toma or Bardock.

~Planet Meat~
-Saiya-jin-
Totteppo - 3,200
Panbukin - 3,650
Seripa - 3,800
Toma - 4,100
Bardock - 10,500
+ Injured - 4,000

-Cold Empire-
Soldiers - 1,800
Dodoria - 15,700

* Bardock was the only one to really suffer any damage on Kannassa, and so the only one to get stronger from it. The powers of the basic soldiers on Meat are really just guesses, but I put them around where those on Namek later would be. Dodoria's weaker than he is on Namek, what with about 24 years between the two times. Bardock was badly injured by Dodoria's attack, but not so much that he wasn't able to fly, or get to his pod quickly, so I figure he's still got a fair chunk of power at this point.

~Planet Vegeta~
-Saiya-jins-
Prince Vegeta - 8,000
King Vegeta - 12,000
Bardock - 10,500
+ Injured - 4,000
+ Theoretical Zenkai - 12,000

-Cold Empire-
Soldiers - 1,800
Freeza - 500,000

* Vegeta's a strong kid, and I figure almost as strong as his father at this point. On par with what Nappa is at 24 years later shows that he's definitely got the most apparent potential of his race. Most put King Vegeta at 10k here but I think that's too close to Nappa's latter 8k~ level, so I've got him a bit higher. Bardock's unchanged from Meat, since he's not had any time to heal at all. Theoretically, though, if he had had time to heal I think he'd have tied King Vegeta in power, given the level of damage he'd taken. Soldiers are the same as before, Freeza just a little weaker than he will be in 24 years.

-=Dragonball Series Start=-
-Good-
Goku - 15
+ Hungry - 6
Bulma - 5

-Bad-
Yamcha - 7

* The Daizneshuu goes with 10 here for Goku, but I think only 2x the 'normal' level for humans is a little too low, given what we see him do. Of course, he's too hungry to be able to put up a proper fight with Yamcha, a little less than half power seems about right, and Yamcha just over that. Bulma is, of course, 'average'.

-=Mount Frypan=-
Goku - 15
+ Kamehameha - 16
Chi-Chi - 8
Ox King - 25
Roshi - 90
+ Buff - 105
+ Kamehameha - 120

* Goku's unchanged, Chi-Chi's good enough to kill a dinosaur, and Ox King is supposedly quite powerful. So that's that. Roshi's stronger than all of them, stronger when buffed, and the Kamehameha is stronger yet. Got him lower than in the Daizenshuu at this point, though, as I see no need for him to be up quite that far at this point. Actually, you'll find that most of my DB era powers are lower than in the Daizenshuu largely to help the DB levels fit before the stated Z ones. Goku's Kamehameha is barely enough to trash a car, not even punch a hole in the door if I'm remembering right, so it's not any better than he is.

-=Pilaf's Castle=-
Yamcha - 7
Goku - 15
+ Oozaru - 150

-=Roshi's Island=-
Krillin - 14
Goku - 15

* Yamcha and Goku at Pilaf's are self explanatory. Back at Roshi's for training Goku's not really gotten any stronger from his travels. Krillin shows up and proves to be weaker than Goku, but not by much at all.

-=21st Bduokai=-
Yamcha - 55
Krillin - 60
Nam - 67
Goku - 74
+ Oozaru - 740
Jackie Chun - 100
+ Buff - 120
+ Kamehameha - 140
+ Worn - 80

* Budokai time! I left out the small fry. Figuring powers for the likes of Giran and Bacterian would be especially annoying. I just count smelly as a gag and move on, and Giran's somewhat inconsistent (mostly with his gum). He surrenders before there's really much of a fight anyway, so meh. Krillin and Goku have both improved a lot with Roshi's training, Nam's strong enough to give Goku a good fight but not quite enough to manage the win. Yamcha's been training his ass off, but on his own and so not as well as Krillin and Goku with Roshi, and thus less power for him. Roshi's improved a little from training the boys himself (he ran with them on their milk runs, after all).

-=Muscle Tower=-
-Good-
Goku - 75
Eighter - 100

-Bad-
Major Metallic - 75
Murasaki - 8
Buyon - 20 (Resistance of 200)

* Goku's improved slightly thanks to a very minor zenkai after his match with Roshi. He gets totally stomped on by Android 8 though, from what I can remember. He and Metallic/Metalitron/Full Metal Jacket/whatever seem basically even in their short fight... aside from the whole head thing. We'll just chalk that up to bad welding and move on, eh? Murasaki (all of them) aren't that strong. But more so than normal, so yeah. And Buyon doesn't seem to have any real power either, just a rubber body that gives him greater resistance.

-=Pirate Cave=-
-Good-
Goku - 77
Krillin - 60

-Bad-
General Blue - 70

-=Korin Tower=-
-Good-
Goku - 77
+ Korin Training - 95

-Bad-
Mercenary Tao - 84

* Goku's stronger yet again when he gets to the cave, thanks to his fighting at Muscle Tower. Krillin's still the same. Blue's pretty much right in the middle, where his strength and psychic powers make him a problem. Tao's strong enough to knock Goku around with ease, but then Goku trains and turns the tables.

-=Baba's Tournament=-
-Good-
Goku - 95
Krillin - 63
Yamcha - 57

-Bad-
Invisible Man - 40
Mummy Man - 50
Devilman - 65
Grandpa Gohan - 90

* Krillin's improved some now, too, thanks to the Blue fight and some more training of his own leading up to Baba's tournament. Yamcha's gotten a little better through training, too. Baba's fighters really don't have a chance aside from their abilities. Gohan was said to be weaker than Roshi, if I remember, but I figure that was Roshi at his 'prime' so about where Roshi was when Goku met him works for me.

-=22nd Budokai=-
Jackie Chun - 113
Yamcha - 72
Krillin - 81
Chaotzu - 75
Tien - 115
Goku - 119

* Cut out the small-fry again, they don't really matter here. Roshi, Yamcha, Krillin, and Goku have all improved of course. Not as much as before, though, since they're stronger than they were and it's harder to gain in power with the same old same old, and none of them got any special training between Baba's and here. Roshi and Tien are supposed to be pretty evenly matched, with Tien's flight giving him the clear advantage, and Tien says that Goku is better than him, so there's that, and Chaotzu's psychic powers seemed to be his main advantage in his fight with Krillin. Yamcha, of course, gets stomped.

-=Chasing Tambourine=-
-Good-
Goku (weak) - 60

-Bad-
Tambourine - 95

-=Meeting Yajirobe=-
-Good-
Goku - 121
Yajirobe - 130

-Bad-
Cymbal - 95
King Piccolo - 170

* As noted by Roshi, Goku's still worn out from the tournament, even after their dinner, and as such he's no match for Tambourine. He gets another small increase in power from the tournament and his fight with Tambourine once he recovers. Yajirobe appears to be slightly stronger than him, so he is, and he easily dispatches Cymbal. King Piccolo easily dispatches Goku. There's an issue with power here, though. "Not even half my strength" simply doesn't work numerically. Though, I'm of the opinion that numerical power by scouter is different from the kind of power sensed. So by 'feel' "Not even half my strength" works while it doesn't by numbers. Meh.

-=Confronting Piccolo=-
-Good-
Roshi - 113

-Bad-
King Piccolo - 170
+ Youth - 220

-=Super Kami Water=-
Yajirobe - 130
Goku - 126
+ SKW - 218

-=Battle Against King Piccolo=-
-Good-
Tien - 116
Goku - 218

-Bad-
King Piccolo - 220

* Roshi's unchanged from the tournament, of course. Piccolo gets his youth wish and his power increases greatly. Of course, we come back to the numbers/feeling discrepancy once more. He feels much stronger than he reads. There isn't a real difference, the numbers are just a 'larger scale' than feeling. Goku drinks the Super Kami Water and makes his own big gains in power putting him almost on par with the new Piccolo. Tien's improved just a little as the result of his Mafuba training.

-=23rd Budokai=-
Yajirobe - 132
Chaotzu - 100
Chi-Chi - 90
Yamcha - 135
Krillin - 144
Tien - 182
Tao - 135
Shen - 235
Goku - 140
+ W/out Weights - 306
Piccolo - 302

* 23rd Budokai time! I don't think Yajirobe really trained any between before and now, so his power just has a little natural increase. Chaotzu's gotten a bit better, of course. Chi-Chi's the daughter of the Ox King, plus I figure she's trained a lot since meeting Goku, and especially when she decided to enter the tournament. As strong as Roshi at the start of the series seems reasonable to me. Yamcha, Krillin, and Tien all improved noticeably. Tao's of course better. Stronger than Chaotzu but much weaker than Tien. Shen/Kami is stronger than King Piccolo was (though not by much) and Goku and Piccolo are the strongest, of course.

[Kaboom]

Alright, time for round two!

~ Part Two - "Here comes Super Saiyan... There goes the neighborhood!" ~

MOVIE 4 - "SUPER SAIYAN (or not) SON GOKU"

• "This movie makes no !@#& sense."

Son Goku - 95,000

• False Super Saiyan (x45) - 4,000,000
  PicKaio-Ken - 1,450,000

• • (This whole film is full of throwbacks and "reenactments" of the Ginyu Force portion of the story. So I put Goku at that level and worked from it. "False Super Saiyan" Goku was totally schooling Slug, who couldn't and didn't do anything to fight back. But Goku seemed to lose that power once he calmed down. I wasn't sure what to make of Goku busting through Slug with just a regular Kaio-Ken, so I assumed it might have actually been a x10. This was sort of his new "standard" for this point in the series)

Son Gohan - 14,000

• • (His max against the Ginyu Force)

Higher Dragon - 10

• With bells - 15
  Shaking booty - 500,000

Piccolo - 55,000

• • (A randomly-picked number for his post-Kaio self, but not merged with Nail)

Kuririn - 13,000

• True Power - 5,000,000
  Weakened by the lack of yellow sunlight - 12,000

Chi-Chi - 135

• • (Her official battle power from the 23rd Budokai is 130-something. I figured being a hyperactive super-mom probably keeps her in shape)

Demon Clan Soldiers ~ 100-200

• • (I figure this is the smallest range they could be in, considering that ChiChi could beat up a few, but then another one took her out. They must vary in power by a decent amount)

Dorodabo - 30,000
Zeeun - 43,000
Medamatcha - 44,000

• • (I figured these guys were equivalent to the weaker Ginyu Force members. The first was totally schooled by Piccolo, and the latter two were both totally and singlehandedly schooled by Goku)

Lord Slug - 120,000

• Young - 450,000
  Giant - 666,000

• • (Slug was a LOT more powerful than Goku, but putting him at Freeza's level in his normal state seemed overkill. THAT came with his gigantic "Super Namek" self)

MOVIE 5 - "STRONGEST VS SECOND-STRONGEST"

• "Super Saiyan: The new Spirit Bomb."

Son Goku - 3,500,000

• Relaxed - 5000
  Vs. Coola's Goons - 250,000
  Kaio-Ken x20 - 70,000,000
  Super Saiyan - 175,000,000

• • (Pretty complicated here. I place this movie as sometime early during the training for the Androids, after Trunks' first visit to the past. Goku has gotten stronger since his time on Namek, as stated. He plays around with Coola's Armored Squad, and doesn't display his true power until fighting Coola. It's unknown just what level of Kaio-Ken he was using against Coola, so I just tossed in the x20 along with Super Saiyan.)

Son Gohan - 225,000

• Relaxed - 100
  Tail Grabbed - 50
  Worn-out vs. Coola's Goons - 125,000
  Vs. Sauzer - 150,000

• • (200,000 was Gohan's highest listed level for Namek, so I accounted for some training time. While he's more powerful than any of Coola's Armored Squad individually, it's close enough that they are able to overcome him with their numbers and the element of surprise. He never got to heal after that, so he still lost to Sauzer one-on-one.)

Kuririn - 80,000

• True Power - 750,000,000
  Weak from hunger because the villains appeared before he could eat any curry - 50,000

• • (Kuririn's gotten a bit stronger from his 75,000 max from Namek.)

Piccolo - 2,500,000

• • (Piccolo, too, has become stronger since Namek. He makes short and easy work of Neiz and Dore, and Sauzer is only spared of death at his hand due to Coola's appearance.)

Sauzer - 170,000
Neiz - 163,000
Dore - 185,000

• • (These are officially-listed levels for Coola's Armored Squadron, and I don't see why I shouldn't use them. Hoo-ha!)

Coola - 3,000,000

• (Full power, unseen - 100,000,000)
  Transformed - 140,000,000

• • (Since a non-Kaio-Ken-powered base Goku was fighting him, he had to have been quite suppressed like Freeza was at first. His full power within his true form is a guess. His "Super" form's power is extremely impressive, but no big deal to a real Super Saiyan.)

MOVIE 6 - "10,000,000,000 POWERFUL WARRIORS... OKAY, MORE LIKE THREE."
"What are you doing there Dende, you're not god yet, GTFO."

Piccolo - 115,000,000
Kuririn - 85,000

• True Power - 1,250,000,000
  Drained from single-handedly keeping (New?) Planet Namek in its proper rotation despite the added mass of the Big Gette Star - 60,000

Gohan - 2,250,000
Roshi - 145
Yajirobe - 965

• • (This particular movie, IF it could fit, would be placed sometime very late in the 3 years' training for the Androids. As such, Piccolo and Gohan are crazy-strong.)

Soldier Robots - 65,000

• • (Their armor-based defenses seem much more potent than their own power. But even Kuririn was able to smash these things when he really tried, and Piccolo wiped out a small army of them easily)

Worker Robot - 1,000,000,000

Wedge Antilles - 5

• In X-Wing - 200,000,000
  In the new U.S.S. Enterprise - Incalculable

Son Goku - 4,200,000

• Super Saiyan - 210,000,000

Vegeta - 4,400,000

• Super Saiyan - 220,000,000

• • (Both almost but not quite as strong as my Androids-saga levels for them both, assuming this would be set sometime late in the 3-year-training)

Metal-Coola - 195,000,000

• Post-Repair - 225,000,000

• • (Stated to get stronger each time he's repaired. At first, SSj Goku severely wounded him without TOO much trouble. Then, he and Vegeta working together could barely overcome him. A thousand more copies, however...)

• Ghette-Coola- 110,000,000
  Ghetto-Coola - 99 Problems

• • (He says his power "hasn't dropped all that much." Dunno exactly what he meant, so I made him about as strong as his Movie 5 self's max)

• -- ALTERNATE THEORY! --

Piccolo (Merged) - 285,000,000
Metal Coola (Post-Repair 2) - 315,000,000

• • (Dende seemed to already be in position as Earth's God, which would suggets Piccolo has already merged with the prior one. Yet this fused Piccolo was beaten by a Metal Coola. So it's POSSIBLE, I suppose, that after being beaten by Goku and Vegeta, ALL the Metal Coolers got a sizable power-up. Which could very well make them stronger than a post-merger Piccolo)

There we go! It's not over yet, folks! Next three tomorrow night!

[Eddie]

Ghetto-Coola - 99 Problems

Yet a bitch doesn't seem to be one of them. Being left with nothing but some brains and a bit of face really hurts your chances with the ladies.

I must say, I usually can't stand PL discussions. You've managed to make it entertaining, Kaboom, and I commend you for that

[jjgp1112]

Garlic Jr. Saga Power Levels:

Gohan: 200,000
Krillin: 60,000
Piccolo: 1,600,000
Garlic Jr. w/ Makyo Star: 1500
Marron's Chest: Over 1 Million
Chi-Chi: 130
-Kaio-Ken: 180,000,000

[MisterFlashdude]

Why is this a sticky?

I've got to second this sentiment. It seems a bit self-serving in a foul sort of way.

If it's worth keeping around, it'll stick around. The Multiverse fan-manga and DBZ Abridged don't need to be stickied, do they?

[Kaboom]

Why is this a sticky?

I've got to second this sentiment. It seems a bit self-serving in a foul sort of way.
If it's worth keeping around, it'll stick around. The Multiverse fan-manga and DBZ Abridged don't need to be stickied, do they?

Again, so there'll always be one place. So that when any newcomers who come along might want to share their numbers, we can say, "here, we have a single thread dedicated to it." It's stickied for the same reason the old "FanWorks Explosion" thread is; to remain a central one-stop-shop for a specific type of contribution.

[MisterFlashdude]

Again, so there'll always be one place. So that when any newcomers who come along might want to share their numbers, we can say, "here, we have a single thread dedicated to it." It's stickied for the same reason the old "FanWorks Explosion" thread is; to remain a central one-stop-shop for a specific type of contribution.

Are you really getting such an influx of individual power level threads that you need to stem the tide? I understand the fan art thread, tons of people would feel inclined to create a thread in the Fan-Created Works section.
Maybe you should sticky the "Bitch I look like Goku" thread, too. I'm sure that subject will come up again some day so you might as well have somewhere to point and say "here, we have a single thread dedicated to it". While you're at it, you can sticky "Over 9000" and "Demotivational Poster" threads. Fans come up with those all the time, too.
And if you think power level discussions are any less ridiculous or more beneficial than those topics, you're deluding yourself.

Seriously, not telling you to delete the thread. Just pointing out it seems like you're keeping this at the top because... it's what you like and you want it to be.

[Kaboom]

Seriously, not telling you to delete the thread. Just pointing out it seems like you're keeping this at the top because... it's what you like and you want it to be.

No, I stickied it for the exact same reason I already said I did.

Whether you like it or not, and just because it isn't always a big focus on DaizEX, fan-created Power Level lists ARE a big creative outlet in DragonBall fandom. Just look at how much attention the thread has already attracted in the three days it's existed. It's worth it to have a place for it on this forum, but at the same time it seemed sensible to take measures to keep it at ONLY one place. A good comparison would be the stickied "Tenkaichi 3 Help Thread" in the Games section. Even if it slows down and the initial flood of interest subsides, it'll still be there for people when they want it.

I don't need to explain it further, and I hope I won't have to again. If you don't like the thread, then nobody's telling you you have to read it.

[MisterFlashdude]

I ask you, why shouldn't it be?

Your logic is back asswards, but I'll concede since I'm up against folks who'll do what they want regardless of the sense of it. Have fun with the postulating.

[Xyex]

Bah, post disappeared while editing.

Why is this a sticky?

I've got to second this sentiment. It seems a bit self-serving in a foul sort of way.

If it's worth keeping around, it'll stick around. The Multiverse fan-manga and DBZ Abridged don't need to be stickied, do they?

I ask you, why shouldn't it be? I can tell you now, you've got no valid answer. If you don't think there's a point then don't click on it. You obviously didn't even read the thread at all, which means the only reason you clicked was to complain, so why'd you even bother?

Are you really getting such an influx of individual power level threads that you need to stem the tide? I understand the fan art thread, tons of people would feel inclined to create a thread in the Fan-Created Works section.
Maybe you should sticky the "Bitch I look like Goku" thread, too. I'm sure that subject will come up again some day so you might as well have somewhere to point and say "here, we have a single thread dedicated to it". While you're at it, you can sticky "Over 9000" and "Demotivational Poster" threads. Fans come up with those all the time, too.
And if you think power level discussions are any less ridiculous or more beneficial than those topics, you're deluding yourself.

Again, read the thread. Your answer lies within. Look at how many different posts there have been already. It answers your question. Really, if you'd just read the thread first, see the posts, see the other comments, you'd have had all your answers and would have had no need to post.

[MisterFlashdude]

Again, read the thread. Your answer lies within. Look at how many different posts there have been already. It answers your question. Really, if you'd just read the thread first, see the posts, see the other comments, you'd have had all your answers and would have had no need to post.

The answer to the question "Why is this bit of niche fandom outlet different than any other niche fandom outlet and necessitates a constant presence at the top of the page"? No. No, I haven't seen that answer. Threads... get posts. If you stickied a "Dragonball Memes!" thread at the top, people would post in it...

Yeah, I'm posting after throwing in the towel, but you had a bit extra to add and I'd rather not let my stance go completely unjustified.

[verto]

Something that confuses me Mr Kaboom sir, why is Super Saiyan 3 only at a 150 multiplier of base form? To my understanding its 4 times that of SS2, which is 2 times that of SS1. 50x2=100. 100x4=400... I'm not sure if I'm missing something here (I've already shown my lack of thinking skills at 2:30 am multiple times) or what, but if you could explain that I'd greatly appreciate it.

[TripleRach]

The answer to the question "Why is this bit of niche fandom outlet different than any other niche fandom outlet and necessitates a constant presence at the top of the page"? No. No, I haven't seen that answer. Threads... get posts. If you stickied a "Dragonball Memes!" thread at the top, people would post in it...

If you really want to discuss an issue like this, I'd suggest making a thread about stickies in Website Discussion. I think both sides make good points, so maybe it's worth discussing in general.

Either way, let's keep this thread about power levels and nothing else.

[Xyex]

The answer to the question "Why is this bit of niche fandom outlet different than any other niche fandom outlet and necessitates a constant presence at the top of the page"? No. No, I haven't seen that answer. Threads... get posts. If you stickied a "Dragonball Memes!" thread at the top, people would post in it...

The same argument could be made against the "Fanworks Explosion" thread, or any number of others.

Something that confuses me Mr Kaboom sir, why is Super Saiyan 3 only at a 150 multiplier of base form? To my understanding its 4 times that of SS2, which is 2 times that of SS1. 50x2=100. 100x4=400... I'm not sure if I'm missing something here (I've already shown my lack of thinking skills at 2:30 am multiple times) or what, but if you could explain that I'd greatly appreciate it.

I'm not Kaboom, but I can answer this, especially since I use the same SSJ3 multiplier, and Kaboom (might have) got it from me!

First of all, the SEG was the first place to give any sort of SSJ3 multiplier, and that's reeeeally new, in the grand scheme of things. Both Kaboom and I were making our lists long before it came out. We already had them (at least partly) worked out this way and changing stuff like that really messes with things like you wouldn't believe.

Secondly, 4x for SSJ3 is... well, absurd, really. For several reasons. One is that the order makes no sense. 50, 2, 4? Why is the SSJ2 multiplier half of that of SSJ3? Another is that it's incredibly excessive. 1, 50, 100, 400? That's a huuuge jump from SSJ2 to SSJ3. Which ties into a third reason, the contents of the story really don't jive with it.

Gotenks doesn't do enough better in SSJ3 against Super Buu than he did in SSJ1 for a jump of 6x to make sense. Likewise, SSJ2 Vegeta doesn't have enough trouble against Kid Buu, compared to SSJ3 Goku, for a jump of 4x to make sense. I mean, let's face it. If SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta are at 2 billion and SSJ3 Goku is at 8 billion and he's only fighting evenly, at best, with Kid Buu, then Vegeta at only 2 billion should not be able to do anything against him. If the numbers are 2 billion and 3 billion, however, things match up a little better.

Lastly, and I don't know if this goes for Kaboom or not (though I think the former two both do) is the fact that using 1.5x for SSJ3 (150x base) gives you an overall 'theme' to the forms powers. Take Freeza battle Goku, for instance. At SSJ his power, by the Daizenshuu, is 150,000,000. Using 2x and 1.5x his SSJ2 and SSJ3 levels are 300,000,000 and 450,000,000. In other words, each new level is like adding another Super Saiya-jin to your power.

Both Kaboom and I disregard the SEG's SSJ3 multiplier mainly because it simply doesn't make sense or work. It was clearly an after thought and chosen by the SEG staff completely at random, without actually consulting the events of the story.

[Kaboom]

Short answer, Xyex is pretty much correct.

I had already been making lists long before the SEG popped into existence, and 150x base had been my "optimal" SSj3 multiplier for that. Generally, I find 400x to be, for lack of a better word, "bloated." It just never seemed to be THAT big of a jump in the series.

My preference would actually be 200x, double-again that of SSj2, but so far that's only worked for my GTR list. I could "make" it work for the main series too if I really wanted, but it would require a lot of revision for other things in turn, since Boo-arc Goku with SSj3 actually ends up as one of the weakest heroes by the end of it. So if he gets stronger, then almost EVERY other main hero has to somehow get stronger as well. That means reworking the Fusers and Fusions, bumping up Gohan, and not to mention having to overhaul the various forms of Boo himself. And that's just for my preferred 200x; imagine how obnoxiously overscaled things would get if I tried using 400x instead! I prefer being a bit more... "conservative" when I make my lists.

Plus on the flipside, the most "obvious," and my standard, multiplier for SSj4 is 500x (Super Saiyan's 50x combined with Oozaru's 10x), and it only being about 1/4 stronger than the previous stage doesn't seem nearly enough of an increase. Not when Goku went from being absolutely helpless against Baby-Vegeta with SSj3 to having Baby's punches TICKLE him at SSj4. There's a BIG gap there.

So long-story-short, it's a combination of preference and "what works best."

Thankfully, the SEG's somewhat-ambiguous terminology concerning the higher SSj stages and their granted power leaves a little "wiggle room" for that kind of thing. SSj3 might be 4 times better than SSj2 in certain areas (like, possibly, physical strength, which COULD almost rival SSj4's), but ultimately what these lists are about is Battle Power, which in its strictest sense (since the numeric scale being used is that of a Scouter) is the amount of Ki being output.