1. This doesn't disprove she was still in danger of getting shot till Gohan stepped in.apex_pretador wrote:1. But she still dominated, not just did she "somehow" beat him. Videl >> thug > random dude with PL 5 is shown.DBZAOTA482 wrote: 1. There's no need for the thugs to have a huge power difference compared to the farmer and Videl may not have asked for "help" but the gunman still snuck up behind without her noticing with the gun and likely could have killed her had Gohan no intervened given she only reacted then. Also, Mr. Satan snuck up behind them and he dominated Van Dent BEFORE he could even try to use the gun (he had to pick it up first) because he was simply faster and more skilled then him.
Also, she only dominated one in the manga.
2. Spopovich did get a huge power increase but he barely had any control over his powers as Goku himself noted so he's basically the same weakling that even Mr. Satan could mop the floor with physically.
3. Not really. Raditz and Nappa were still HUGE powerhouses in their own rights plus Gohan never thought highly of Mr. Satan. He was always a weakling in his eyes.
4. There's nothing special about the blade itself... it was clear she had the physical power to make the helmet an extremely lethal weapon and she decapitated the T-rex because she was simply stronger than it... Yamcha and Puar were even shocked by how much she can do despite being scared (not even strong men in real-life can do that). Also, Muten Roshi was caught off-guard with his back turned and it was mostly gag (still impressive nonetheless).
5. No, King Chappa actually has superhuman feats and statements to back up his legitimacy plus I'm not just talking about those tournaments. I'm talking the Tenkaichi Budokai as a whole and back then it used to have the legit strongest of the strongest (especially the 23rd year) participating whereas the one during Mr. Satan's era was obviously more of a commercialized event.
6. Videl couldn't believe any of the overly superhuman stuff Gohan or the others did to begin with since they all seemingly came outta nowhere. If she did anything close to them herself then she'd see the light as well.
2. It doesn't matter if he has perfect control over it or not, he still has a high degree of control, like BoDB goku has, with kamehameha. He still has huge power , i.e. , strength, speed & durability. And, he is already a strong martial artist with a lot of muscle strength. Anyways, goku never said he can't control his powers.
Even pre-majin, he'll be a really, really strong guy in real world.
3. The "HUGE" powerhouses, if ever fought cell , would have resulted in exact same performance as satan, that was my point. Satan was still a regular human, the strongest regular human.
4. She's strong, no denying, but her helmet blade was like a sword, cutting through the T-rex easily. She was weaker than yamcha anyways.
5. How can you tell that the tournament in which chappa won, was better than 24th TB competition ? What are chappa's superhuman feats anyways? Statements ? Satan has them as well. Remember that satan's punching machine feat? 139 was the highest record satan set 7 years ago. No one was better than that last time, nor did anyone publicly beat that record in 7 years. Even the 76 competetors who tried in 25th TB could manage 112 AT BEST.
It was just bad that he was up against guys who could all destroy planets (except maybe krillin).
He had quite a great reputation. Only tournaments we see , which were better than 24th TB , were 21st , 22nd & 23rd which had - moon destruction , ring destruction , the island destruction - in the final. How can we even compare them to 24th TB, which had no ki user?
6. Videl didn't realize she was "much" stronger than her dad according to gohan (even before training for TB)
Videl couldn't believe that someone could set score higher than satan on punching machine. Everything points at satan being really, really strong for a regular human.
2. Yes, he did:
Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P12.2-5
Kuririn: “Th-that bastard, he [fired] a ki wave…though it didn’t have that much ki power…!”
Vegeta: “No…He’d lose if he killed her. He purposefully fired a weak one…”
Goku: “…It seems like he has power far surpassing his own abilities…I don’t get it…What’s going on?...”
3. No they wouldn't... they would at least present an impressive light show instead of just intermediate fighting skills.
4. Doesn't matter if the blade is like a sword... the point is beheading a T-rex is a feat unreachable in real-life and beyond anything Videl has shown.
5. King Chappa went an entire tournament untouched (something of which Mr. Satan couldn't even do), could move so fast that he looked as though he has 8 arms (a move Goku later replicated), and was thought to be a tough opponent for Goku by Yamcha and Jackie Chun during the 22nd Budokai despite seeing Goku fought seriously during Uranai Baba's Palace and knowing he'd get even stronger (they were wrong but only because they underestimated Goku). Though that's pretty easy to look past because Chappa only existed to make Goku look good.
Muten Roshi believed Goku and Krillin wouldn't have made it past the preliminary rounds of the Tenkaichi Budokai without training so likely that also applies to the tournaments proceeding the 21st one and no, none of the stuff you mentioned about Mr. Satan makes him superhuman. That just proves he's a little better than the average fighter.
6. Maybe the gap between Videl and her father isn't really significant... I mean, pretty much the most Gohan ever really says about her is she has talent not that she's massively above the average fighter.
. Skipped Saiyan and Frieza arcs. Everyone pretty much knows the levels from those arcs.
