Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[TripleRach]

But really. It kinda kills simplicity Dragon Ball has.

You could say that about this entire forum. People geek out and over-analyze all sorts of aspects of the series.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another thing to go into a topic just to say, "This is stupid and pointless." It's rude to do it in threads about voice actors. It's rude to do it in threads about video quality. It's rude to do it in threads about name puns/spellings. And it's rude to do it in threads about power levels.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and stuff. You may want to read over the rules, too.

[TripleRach]

Augh, invisible post bug. Retrying.

But really. It kinda kills simplicity Dragon Ball has.

You could say that about this entire forum. People geek out and over-analyze all sorts of aspects of the series.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another thing to go into a topic just to say, "This is stupid and pointless." It's rude to do it in threads about voice actors. It's rude to do it in threads about video quality. It's rude to do it in threads about name puns/spellings. And it's rude to do it in threads about power levels.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and stuff. You may want to read over the rules, too.

[Freeza Heika]

Augh, invisible post bug. Retrying.

But really. It kinda kills simplicity Dragon Ball has.

You could say that about this entire forum. People geek out and over-analyze all sorts of aspects of the series.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another thing to go into a topic just to say, "This is stupid and pointless." It's rude to do it in threads about voice actors. It's rude to do it in threads about video quality. It's rude to do it in threads about name puns/spellings. And it's rude to do it in threads about power levels.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and stuff. You may want to read over the rules, too.

¡Bravíssimo!

I really do wish people wouldn't look down upon the battle power discussions. It is all for fun. People only do it BECAUSE it enriches their enjoyment of the series. If you think it will hurt your enjoyment, then please, I implore you not to look.

[JulieYBM]

I made this recently. It doesn't go too indepth with the minor characters and mainly sticks to the people who actually fight.

Dragon Ball Battle Powers 5.0

Trunks Arrives:

Son Gokû (Base: 3.6 million; SSj: 180 million): Son has trained hard for two years and proved mightier than Trunks.
Trunks (Base: 3.3 million; SSj: 165 million): Trunks was able to defeat the improved Freeza effortlessly. To make sure he could, I widened the gap to 35 million points as opposed to Namek Gokû's 30 million advantage.
Mecha Freeza (130 million): Freeza's power was improved, but he proved to still not be a challenge for Trunks.
Cold (130~135 million): Cold was done away with as easily as Freeza was, despite being supposedly stronger.

The Artificial Humans Appear:

Son Gokû (Base: 3.9 million; SSj: 195 million):
Vegeta (Base: 4 million; SSj: 200 million):
Trunks (Base: 3.4 million; SSj: 170 million):
Piccolo (120 million):
#19 (Equivalent to 100 million):
#20 (Equivalent to 110 million):
#17 (Equivalent to 225 million):
#18 (Equivalent to 220 million):

The Monster of Gingertown:

Imperfect Cell (Gingertown: 150 million; Humans Absorbed: 225 million): Cell makes quick work of Piccolo, who had been fighting #17. I doubt he would have gone near Piccolo if he didn't think he could win, although it's possible his plan was to absorbed #17 as quickly as possible, and with Piccolo tired out he probably felt he could win.
Piccolo (Post-Merger: 225 million): Having re-merged with Kami-sama his power has increased, seemingly on par with #17 now. When Cell shows up, however, he is quickly made short work of but that is likely due to his exhaustion.
#16 (Equivalent to 235 million): #16 puts up a great show against Cell, proving to be quite powerful.

Vegeta and Trunks Emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time:

Semi-Perfect Form Cell (260 million): Cell was easily able to thrawt #16 in this form, but proved powerless against 'Super Vegeta'.
Super Saiyan Second Grade Vegeta (285 million): Vegeta didn't quite break a sweat toying with the second form Cell, but would find himself powerless against Perfect form Cell.
Super Saiyan Third Grade Trunks (400): Despite now being more powerful than Cell, this form drained ki and inhibited speed far too much to make any matter.
Perfect Form Cell (360 million): Cell takes Vegeta out with two hits and claims Trunks is 'more powerful' than he is now, but we'd soon learn later on his power could grow even more.

The Cell Games:

Perfect Form Cell (380 million; Buff: 400~425 million): Cell kept himself at Gokû's pace, not revealing his true power until he fought Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan.
Son Gokû (Base: 7.2 million; Full Power Super Saiyan: 360 million): Gokû fights evenly with Cell, who likely wasn't showing off more power than he did against Trunks.
Son Gohan (Base: 7.4 million; Full Power Super Saiyan: 370 million; Super Saiyan 2: 740 million): Gohan expresses disbelief that his dad was fighting his hardest because he himself felt the effort applied was little, proving he is stronger than Gokû without Super Saiyan 2.
Super Perfect Cell (735 million): After returning to Earth, Cell's power has increased from a near-death experience. Now, his power nearly matches Gohan's, but ultimately he fails.

Majin Boo Awakens:

Son Gokû (Base: 7.6 million; Super Saiyan: 380 million; Super Saiyan 2: 760 million; Super Saiyan 3: 3.04 billion): Vegeta comments that Gokû was stronger than Gohan when he fought Cell. As a Super Saiyan 3, Gokû claimed he could beat the original form of Majin Boo were he able to use his full power.
Son Gohan (Base: 7 million; Super Saiyan: 350 million; Super Saiyan 2: 700 million; Ultimate: 40 billion): Gohan's become weaker over the seven years from little to no training, so his power is less than it was. Vegeta does note that it is hard to tell what will happen if Gohan becomes angry again, though. As Ultimate Gohan, Gohan far exceeds the 'Super' Boo who Gotenks was generally even to superior to.
Son Goten (Base: 2.5 million; Super Saiyan: 125 million): Goten is obviously inferior to Trunks, but still quite powerful. I chose a level near what his father had when he first became a Super Saiyan to give the power some weight. Two years later he faces Abo and Cado who are said to be around Freeza's level.
Trunks (Base: 3 million; Super Saiyan: 150 million): The number is close to Goten's but provides him with a clear advantage.
Vegeta (Base: 7.5 million; Super Saiyan: 375 million; Super Saiyan 2: 750 million): His battle with Gokû proved that they were nearly on equal terms, espicially with Babidi's magic bringing out more of his power. Vegeta comments that Gokû was stronger than Gohan when he fought Cell.
Gotenks (Base: 80 million; Super Saiyan: 4 billion; Super Saiyan 2: 8 billion; Super Saiyan 3: 32 billion): Gokû told fat Boo that an even stronger fighter would do battle with him. Because Gokû did not think that the kids would use Super Saiyan 3 it is clear that SSj Gotenks is stronger than Gokû. After choosing a solid number I worked from there.
Dabra (735 million): Gokû notes that Dabra is close to Cell, who they fought seven years ago. Later, while seeing Gohan fight Dabra, he notes that Dabra's magic makes him even more dangerous, but I'm not sure I should quantify that.
Majin Boo (Fat: 2 billion): Vegeta, Gohan, and Dabra both failed to deal Fat Boo any real damage. Gokû felt that he could have defeated Fat Boo had he tried.
Majin Boo (Thin: 2.5 billion): This pure evil Boo out-powered the fat one during their confrontation, seemingly taking most of their power when they split.
Majin Boo (Super: 20 billion; Bootenks: 51 billion; Booicolo: 21 billion; Boohan: 66 billion): When Thin and Fat Boo merged their power increased a great deal. To give Gotenks a buffer area to be stronger I chose 20 billion. I chose to have Boo's absorbtion to work as addition because it didn't matter so long as he was either stronger or weaker than Gohan.
Majin Boo (Original form: 3 billion): As a Super Saiyan 3, Gokû claimed he could beat the original form of Majin Boo were he able to use his full power. Boo put up quite a fight with Gokû.
Vegetto: (Base: 65 billion; Super Saiyan: 3.25 trillion): I chose for his base battle power based upon his performance in the anime. In the comic Vegetto transformed right after being born. Needless to say Super Vegetto didn't break a sweat fighting Majin Boo and such is clear as to why.
Piccolo (1 billion): Who knows, really. I just chose this number to make Boo's absorbtions a rounder number.

Vegetto >> Boohan > Bootenks > Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Super Boo > SSj Gotenks > SSj3 Gokuu > Kid Boo > Thin Boo > Fat Boo > SSj2 Vegeta/Gokuu > Dabra = Super Perfect Cell > SSj2 Gohan > Trunks > Goten

[Godo]

I shall never, ever attempt to make an even halfway-serious GT list, for reasons I don't think I should have to explain to anyone. A humorous, every-bit-as-nonsensical-as-the-series parody list is a big possibility though. The closest to a legitimate GT list I have is the one I've got in the works for GTR. And I can't post THAT because it would end up spoiling big parts of the story!

But it isn't possible to do a serious DBGT list! That's the whole point!
And I don't expect you to do one on GTR, since that would as you say, spoil many parts of the story. But maybe you can, like, do it gradually? Put out powerlevels in the thread, as the story goes on, with relevant powerlevels?
I hope you understand what I mean.

Maybe I'll make my own powerlevels, but I can't promise that they will be serious. I hope that it's OK to post humorous ones too, or do you want ones with much thought in them?

[Kaboom]

And I don't expect you to do one on GTR, since that would as you say, spoil many parts of the story. But maybe you can, like, do it gradually? Put out power levels in the thread, as the story goes on, with relevant powerlevels?
I hope you understand what I mean.

Aha, but I've already been doing that... kinda! The character profiles I've been posting to fill the between-chapter gaps have each included a "Battle Power," and I did post a bigger list for the entirety of Cataclysm when I finished it off with that big multi-post extravaganza.

[Xyex]

My attempt at a list based on the Daizenshuu and SEG + basic reasoning and deduction. Going to limit myself to just the Saiya-jins, Piccolo, and enemies for this one. The Buu Saga has a lot more speculation than the Android or Cell Sagas. :/

Trunks Saga
Trunks - 5
+ Full Power - 3,100,000
+ SSJ - 155,000,000
Goku - 3,200,000
+ SSJ - 160,000,000
Cyborg Freeza - 4,000,000
+ Full Power - 135,000,000
Cold - 3,500,000

* Trunks is compared to Goku (on Namek), so similar power for him, and Goku's stronger than Trunks. Freeza's said to be stronger, so he is.

Anroid Saga
Piccolo - 2,000,000
+ W/out Weights - 7,500,000
+ Full Power - 75,000,000
Goku - 6,200,000
+ SSJ - 310,000,000
+ Post Kamehameha - 75,000,000
Vegeta - 6,400,000
+ SSJ - 320,000,000
+ Drained - 285,000,000
Trunks - 3,150,000
+ SSJ - 158,750,000
Android 19 - 40,000,000
+ Goku's Kamehameha - 145,000,000
+ Goku's ki - 215,000,000
+ Vegeta's ki - 250,000,000
Android 20 - 50,000,000
+ Yamcha's ki - 50,050,000
+ Vegeta's ki - 51,050,000
+ Krillin's ki - 51,100,000
+ Piccolo's ki - 53,100,000
Android 18 - 400,000,000
Android 17 - 465,000,000
Android 16 - 525,000,000

* Piccolo's now a lot stronger, as noted by Krillin's "he's not even a Super Saiya-jin" which indicates he's up there, but doesn't mean he's actually on SSJ level at this point. Goku's power is misleading, as his sickness is causing him strain and pain, making his punches do far less damage. Vegeta's possibly stronger than Goku now, but not by much. Trunks has only had 6 or 8 months to improve since he only stayed in his time long enough to recharge the time machine. 19 and 20 are weaklings in-and-of-themselves, their power stealing is the real threat.

* The powers here were largely reverse engineered from statements made in the Trunks special. There the future Androids reveal they've been using less than half of their power to pound Gohan into dust. In the series, Trunks thinks the past Androids are stronger than his, which logically implies to me that the ones in the future are still holding back. I figure Trunks, being a little better than Gohan, has been fighting them at half their power, and he can supposedly hold his own against them, so I just made half their power a little over his full, then doubled that to get their maximums. Then figured out where the Z Fighters and 19 and 20 fit into things going back from there.

Cell Saga
Piccolo - 75,000,000
+ Kami - 475,000,000
+ Worn - 400,000,000
Vegeta - 13,500,000
+ SSJ - 675,000,000
+ SSJU - 1,350,000,000
+ Final Flash - 1,620,000,000
Trunks - 8,750,000
+ SSJ - 437,500,000
+ SSJU - 875,000,000
+ SSJU2 (restrained) - 1,750,000,000
+ SSJU2 (full power) - 3,500,000,000
Cell - 375,000,000
+ Piccolo - 420,000,000
+ Humans Absorbed - 520,000,000
+ Semi-Perfect - 985,000,000
+ Perfect - 1,600,000,000
+ Buff - 6,300,000,000

* After fusing with Kami, Piccolo's pretty much even with 17, though it looks like he has the edge at first. By the time Cell shows up, however, he's worn out and can't even scratch him. Cell, started off clearly weaker than fused Piccolo, and was absorbing humans to match up with the Androids, so he's weaker than them at first. But when he turns up at the Piccolo vs. Cell fight he's about on par with 16. Absorbing 17 increases his power only by as much power as 17 has, which is admittedly a guess (everything after the early Android stuff is pure guessing after all) but I find it logical since his Semi-Perfect form is only a step toward his full power. His 'buff' level I've got as a 50% increase (over his full power, listed below) as it's an almost-SSJU state, like he's in an constant almost-SSJ state.

* The SSJU and SSJU2 levels go with the idea that SSJU is an improper attempt at using SSJ2 power in SSJ form, and SSJU2 is an improper attempt at using SSJ3 power in the SSJ form. So they yield the same levels of power as those forms (x2 and x4 as given by the SEG) but have much greater drawbacks than the proper forms do, which is why Trunks's SSJU2 form is so much stronger than either his or Vegeta's SSJU state.

Cell Games
Mr. Satan - 7
Piccolo - 700,000,000
Trunks - 40,000,000
+ SSJ - 2,000,000,000
Vegeta - 42,000,000
+ SSJ - 2,100,000,000
Goku - 65,000,000
+ SSJ (50%) - 1,625,000,000
+ SSJ (100%) - 3,250,000,000
Gohan - 80,000,000
+ SSJ (50%) - 2,000,000,000
+ SSJ (90%) - 3,600,000,000
+ SSJ (100%) - 4,000,000,000
+ SSJ (Anger boosted) - 4,800,000,000
+ SSJ2 - 8,000,000,000
+ SSJ2 (full power) - 9,600,000,000
+ Injured (mental block) - 4,300,000,000
+ Injured (determined) - 7,500,000,000
+ Kamehameha - 9,375,000,000
+ Injured (full power) + Kamehameha - 12,000,000,000
Cell - 1,625,000,000
+ Vs Goku - 3,500,000,000
+ Full Power - 4,200,000,000
+ Buff - 6,300,000,000
+ Super Perfect - 8,400,000,000
+ Kamehameha - 10,000,000,000
+ Kamehameha (distracted) - 9,000,000,000
Cell Jrs - 2,500,000,000

* Lots to explain on this one. Piccolo's pretty much just a rough guess at this point, and nothing else. He's gotten a lot stronger, but even he knows it's not nearly enough. Trunks and Vegeta have attempted the Perma-SSJ training but not gotten as great an increase as Goku and Gohan did. Goku and Gohan are so much stronger because of the Perma-SSJ training putting such a great strain on them and resulting in major increases here.

* Also, Gohan never fully unleashes his SSJ power in his fight with Cell, always subconsciously holding some of it back just due to his nature. His anger boosts his power before, and after, his SSJ2 transformation. Gohan also only *thinks* he lost half of his power, once again his nature, and also his own self-doubt, getting in the way of his power. Goku manages to get him determined again and his power goes up closer to what he truly has left, but he doesn't unleash it all until right at the end.

* As for Cell, his starting level is the same as the level he fought Vegeta and Trunks at. His full power is just a little bit over that, but enough so that Goku would have no chance against it. His buff is 50% of that, and Super Perfect is a doubling of his Perfect power (akin to an SSJ2 transformation). Vegeta's blast distracts him and reduces his concentration, thus his attack strength, and Gohan lets his full power loose at the same time and boom, no more Cell. As for the Cell jrs., they're about 1/3rd of Cells maximum power in his 'buff' state.

* As for Mark, well, he's better than the normal people.

Saiyaman/World Tournament Sagas
Mr. Satan - 7
Videl - 9
Spoppovitch - 11
Goten - 8,500,000
+ SSJ - 425,000,000
Trunks - 9,000,000
+ SSJ - 450,000,000
Piccolo - 950,000,000
Gohan - 72,000,000
+ SSJ - 3,600,000,000
+ SSJ2 - 7,200,000,000
Vegeta - 82,000,000
+ SSJ - 4,100,000,000
Goku - 120,000,000
+ SSJ - 6,000,000,000
Kibito - 85,000,000
Kaioshin - 1,800,000,000

* Mark's the same, Videl's better than him, Piccolo's improved some, Gohan's gotten worse, Goten and Trunks are absurdly strong for a pair of kids (and just a little over 18), Vegeta's just a little better than Gohan was before, and Goku's a lot better. Bout all there is to say, here, as these are mostly just assumptions. SSJ2 Gohan is still used as a 'measuring stick' later by Vegeta, so we know he's not that much better than him, and Goten and Trunks only fought around evenly with 18, and that's all we really know for them.

* Kibito's supposed to be strong enough that Gohan would need to transform to win, but not so much stronger that Gohan couldn't put up a fight against him, so there's that. And Kaioshin is implied stronger than Piccolo but clearly much weaker than the adult SSJs, and scared of Dabura (even without the M on his head) so that's that.

Majin Saga
Gohan - 72,000,000
+ SSJ - 3,600,000,000
Goku - 120,000,000
+ SSJ - 6,000,000,000
+ SSJ2 (burst) - 9,000,000,000
+ SSJ2 (full) - 12,000,000,000
+ SSJ3 - 48,000,000,000
Vegeta - 82,000,000
+ SSJ - 4,100,000,000
+ SSJ2 - 8,200,000,000
+ Majin - 12,000,000,000
Pui Pui - 20,000,000
Yakon - 75,000,000
+ Energy - 150,000,000
Dabura - 4,000,000,000
Buu - 4,000,000,000
+ Powered-up - 40,000,000,000

* Not much to say with these, either. Goku compares Dabura to Cell, Vegeta beats Pui Pui easily in base, Goku makes Yakon blow up by eating too much, and Majin Vegeta proves about equal to Goku. And Buu, of course, trounces them all (cept SSJ3 Goku). All levels are pretty simple and straight forward.

Fusion Saga
Kibito - 85,000,000
Kaioshin - 1,800,000,000
Kibitoshin - 9,425,000,000
Piccolo - 950,000,000
Goten - 8,500,000
+ SSJ - 425,000,000
+ RoSaT - 9,200,000
+ SSJ - 460,000,000
Trunks - 9,000,000
+ SSJ - 450,000,000
+ RoSaT - 9,500,000
+ SSJ - 475,000,000
Gotenks - 170,000,000
+ SSJ - 8,500,000,000
+ RoSaT - 184,000,000
+ SSJ - 9,200,000,000
+ SSJ2 - 18,400,000,000
+ SSJ3 - 73,600,000,000
Ultimate Gohan - 100,000,000,000
Goku - 120,000,000
Vegeta - 120,000,000
Vegetto - 4,800,000,000
+ SSJ - 240,000,000,000
Buu - 40,000,000,000
Super Buu - 75,000,000,000
Super Buu2 - 149,550,000,000
Super Buu1.5 - 76,885,000,000
Super Buu3 - 176,885,000,000

* Kibitoshin got a nice increase for his fusion, but only 1/4th of what Goku and Vegeta got since them being rivals makes it stronger and all. Used 20x for the dance (and Vegetto), mostly picked it at a whim, but also can't have SSJ3 Gotenks too high or things get messy. Whatever, not much to say here, either. Everyone's basically just as much stronger as they need to be do beat who they need to beat. Super Buu's powers come directly from those he's absorbed (and I go with him drawing out their full power, so long as they are at it when he absorbs them, so he's got SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks powering him, not just their base forms). Vegetto owns everyone, of course.

Kid Buu Saga
Goku - 120,000,000
+ SSJ - 6,000,000,000
+ SSJ2 - 12,000,000,000
+ SSJ3 - 48,000,000,000
+ Super Spirit Bomb - 520,000,000,000
Vegeta - 120,000,000
+ SSJ - 6,000,000,000
+ SSJ2 - 12,000,000,000
Kid Buu - 52,000,000,000

* Kid Buu's just a little stronger than Goku. Enough that it's a problem, especially on top of his energy drain problems. As I see it Goku created the Spirit Bomb to be much stronger than Buu in order to be sure of his destruction. Otherwise, nothing really notable here.

End of Z
Pan - 7,500,000
Goten - 9,000,000
Trunks - 9,250,000
Vegeta - 148,000,000
Goku - 150,000,000
+ Vs. Uub - 50,000
Uub - 20,000
+ Mad - 50,000

* I figure Goten and Trunks lost some power from slacking off, Goku and Vegeta have gained some more, and Pan's a tiny power house being that she's Gohan's kid. Uub has all of Buu's power in there but no way to pull it out yet, so he's not that strong here.

Aaaand, that's that. I'd wanted to do something akin to this for a while, just to see how it'd turn out... and I'm not all that fond of it. I don't like the numbers that much, they get too high too fast, but using the SEG numbers for SSJ2/3 and pushing them back into SSJU and SSJU2 as well makes it unavoidable, I suppose. Oh well.

I'll post my full DB list that uses the numbers I like sometime in the next few days. Gotta finish adding notes to it.

[Godo]

Android 20 - 50,000,000
+ Yamcha's ki - 50,050,000
+ Vegeta's ki - 51,050,000
+ Krillin's ki - 51,100,000
+ Piccolo's ki - 53,100,000
Android 18 - 400,000,000
Android 17 - 465,000,000
Android 16 - 525,000,000

Um, what? When did that happen?

[Xyex]

Android 20 - 50,000,000
+ Yamcha's ki - 50,050,000
+ Vegeta's ki - 51,050,000
+ Krillin's ki - 51,100,000
+ Piccolo's ki - 53,100,000
Android 18 - 400,000,000
Android 17 - 465,000,000
Android 16 - 525,000,000

Um, what? When did that happen?

While they were chasing him back to his lab. He hid and grabbed Krillin, the others sensed his power drop, and rushed over.

[Godo]

Android 20 - 50,000,000
+ Yamcha's ki - 50,050,000
+ Vegeta's ki - 51,050,000
+ Krillin's ki - 51,100,000
+ Piccolo's ki - 53,100,000
Android 18 - 400,000,000
Android 17 - 465,000,000
Android 16 - 525,000,000

Um, what? When did that happen?

While they were chasing him back to his lab. He hid and grabbed Krillin, the others sensed his power drop, and rushed over.

Huh, it must have been in the anime then, because in the manga, he rises his powerlevel on purpose for the others to find him:

[Kiyza]

Captain Chicken - 500,000,000,000

If you didn't laugh at this, there's something wrong with you.

[Xyex]

Huh, it must have been in the anime then, because in the manga, he rises his powerlevel on purpose for the others to find him:

Yeah, it was, unless my memory is wrong, which is possible. But I do have an image in my head of Krillin being grabbed at one point during the chase....

[Metalwario64]

Huh, it must have been in the anime then, because in the manga, he rises his powerlevel on purpose for the others to find him:

Yeah, it was, unless my memory is wrong, which is possible. But I do have an image in my head of Krillin being grabbed at one point during the chase....

In the anime at least, Krillin had a little skirmish with Gero, but decided to continue chasing after him because he hasn't actually found the lab. Then once he finds the lab, he raises his energy like in the manga.

[Kaboom]

Captain Chicken - 500,000,000,000

If you didn't laugh at this, there's something wrong with you.

Wait 'til you see my Movies list.

[Kaboom]

Aaaaand here. We. Go! I'm gonna go through all the DBZ movies three at a time per day, so as not to overload the thread with such a super-long single post (I'd probably hit the character limit anyway!). Are you ready for this jelly?!

Multipliers:
Super Saiyan - x50
Super Saiyan Grade 2 - x70
Super Saiyan Grade 3 - x90
"Legendary" Super Saiyan - (x95)
Super Saiyan 2 - x100
Super Saiyan 3 - x200


~ Part One - "The Good Ol' Days" ~

MOVIE 1 - "RETURN MY GOHAN! GO, CHARMANDER!"

• "How could such a cool movie spawn such crappy filler?"

Son Goku - 465
Piccolo - 452

• • (Both a little stronger than their intial Saiyan-saga selves, as I'll operate under the premise of, "Raditz never came to Earth" for this movie)

Son Gohan - 1

• (Drunk) - 777
  (Angry) - 1350
  (Contemplative) - 1205
  (Angsty) - 896

• • (Mostly identical to his li'l Saiyan saga self)

Kami - 220

• • (Official level. Works for me!)

Kuririn - 206

• True Power - 55,000
  Restrained by Garlic Jr's black magic - 200

• • (His official start-of-the-Saiyan-arc BP)

Nicky - 165

• Bulked Up - 260

Ginger - 185

• Bulked Up - 280

Sansho - 175

• Bulked Up - 270

• • (Working together and with the element of surprise, they ganged up on and beat Piccolo. But then all three got pwnzed by Goku and Piccolo eventually, even 2-on-1)

Garlic Jr - 215

• Bulked Up - 725
  With Cheese - $1.99

• • (A smidge weaker than Kami in his normal state, but immortal. His bulky state is stronger than Piccolo and Goku, but they managed to overpower him temporarily by working together)

MOVIE 2 - "THE WORLD'S STRONGEST GUY THAT ISN'T STUCK IN A PICKLE JAR!"

• "Announcing the arrival of the most brilliant scientist in all Hampshire, Lord Doctor Uiro. "
  "I'm a gigantic brain!"

Piccolo - 6500

• • (Working under the premise of "nobody died against Vegeta." Piccolo's gotten stronger, but even under Wheelo's control, Goku wasn't having much trouble holding him off)

Mountain - 50,000

• • ("I guess that level of Ki wouldn't even scratch it.")

Gohan - 1,050

• (Transcendental Piccolo fantasy) - 1480
  (Totally pissed off) - 9,650

Kuririn - 1770

• True Power - 950,000
  Weakened by the cold - 1600

• • (BPs lifted from the Saiyan arc. Gave Gohan a slight increase from 981 to account for a possible post-Saiyan-battle zenkai)

Son Goku - 9500

• Kaio-Ken - 19,000
  Kaio-Ken x3 - 28,500
  Kaio-Ken x4 - 38,000

• • (I gave Goku a decent healing boost after the fight with Vegeta. Now his power level really IS over nine thousand!)

Sea Turtle - .001

• True power - 150,000,000

• • (You all know it's true)

Roshi - 139

• • (Again, his official Battle Power for this period)

Cheap Saibaimen Ripoffs - 85

• • (They beat up an unsuspecting and putzy Gohan, but Roshi was able to school four of them at once. Kind of awkward to place these guys anywhere.)

Kishime (Electro-whips-guy) - 500
Misokatsun (Fat-rubber-guy) - 550
Ebifurya (Icy-wind-guy) - 555

• • (Roshi was able to put up a half-decent fight before going down. They actually gave Goku and the others some trouble, but mostly because of their special techniques, and the cold was hampering their power. Again, hard to figure these guys out.)

Dr. Kochin - 95

• • (Pretty weak on his own)

Dr. Urio- 22,000 - (Got Schooled by Goku's Kaio-Ken x3)

• Beam Attack - 35,000 - (Strong enough to outblast Goku's KKx3 Kamehameha, but easily overpowered by a KKx4)
  Maximum Power - 45,000 - (It was noted by the heroes that his ki was "still rising" after he took off into orbit. He got wasted by a well-placed Spirit Bomb, though)

MOVIE 3 - "SUPER DECIDING BATTLE FOR WHAT'S LEFT OF PLANET EARTH!"

• "I HAVE THE POWER OF NATURE INSIDE."

Son Goku - 35,000

• Kaio-Ken ~ 70,000
  Kaio-Ken x10 ~ 350,000

• • (Goku had a stated-by-Tullece battle power of "30,000 and rising." Standard Kaio-Ken boosts applied to it)

Son Gohan - 10,000

• Ozaru - 100,000
  Let Alone - 4500

• • (Stated Battle Power from the film, and standard x10 for Ozaru)

Piccolo - 18,000

• • (Stated in the film)

Kuririn - 7500

• True Power - 1,234,567,890
  Sapped by the Tree of Might - 6000

Yamcha - 6250

• Credit Score - 5

Tenshinhan - 8000
Chaozu - 5500

• • (Everyone seems pretty high-level in this one. I guess it's assuming they've spent some time on Kaio's planet...)

Reizin - 8250
Rakasei - 8520
Cacao - "Dah."
Amond - 9500
Daiz - 8750

• Super Saiyan - 438,000
  Daizenshuu - OVER NINE VOLUUUUUMES

• • (All a good amount stronger than the heroes they fought)

Tullece - 40,000

• Fruit 1 - 400,000
  Fruit 2 - 650,000
  Reprimanded by ChiChi - 4

• • (Goku was pushing him into a corner at first. But when Tullece at the fruit, he smacked down KKx10 Goku like he was nothing)

The adventure continues tomorrow!

[Piccolo Daimao]

Oh, Kaboom, how you make me laugh.

But anyway, I like your battle power lists. They include well-thought descriptions which back up your battle powers and, while I don't agree with everything, they're interesting to read and not as conventional as some of the other battle power lists I've read.

One question, though. Why didn't you post the ones for before the Cell Arc? I'd like to see them, if you've done them.

Oh yeah, and Herms, your list is ingenious, even if I don't quite get it. I like how you made some characters' battle powers match previous ones given in the series (e.g. Imperfect Cell is as strong as 1st Form Freeza's 530k). Godo and others' battle power lists are pretty good too.

[Kaboom]

One question, though. Why didn't you post the ones for before the Cell Arc? I'd like to see them, if you've done them.

Because since official ones already exist for just about everything and everyone important, all I'd be doing is filling in some minor gaps, and that's no fun.

[Piccolo Daimao]

One question, though. Why didn't you post the ones for before the Cell Arc? I'd like to see them, if you've done them.

Because since official ones already exist for just about everything and everyone important, all I'd be doing is filling in some minor gaps, and that's no fun.

But I thought those official ones aren't necessarily fact, and that a lot of Dragon Ball fans actually disagree with them. There are a lot of fan-made battle power lists that don't have 50% Freeza at 60,000,000 or Nappa at 4,000.

But if you don't want to do them, that's fine. I understand your reasoning.

[Kaboom]

But if you don't want to do them, that's fine. I understand your reasoning.

Yeah, my opinion on them is pretty much, "well, good enough for me!" Besides, even if I did try to rework them and come up with my own, they'd probably end up practically the same anyway.

[Piccolo Daimao]

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