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Games have been making up their own power levels for years. Those numbers don't really have any bearing on anything but the game itself.
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So who was stronger? Kid Buu or SS3 Goku?
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I think that game stopped trying after the Namek saga: Piccolo is outrageously low, which might be a deliberate choice to not have him (and Android 18) obscenely higher than the saiyans, without having to skyrocket the saiyans' PL every time they learn a transformation. But still.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:51 pm DBZ Kakarot has chimed in on the PL thing:
Cell Games Gohan and Goku are at almost 8M, which to me is a little low, but I guess the game lowballs them. Or maybe if I'd leveled up more, we could be talking about higher numbers. All in all, I think the PL they present are pretty decent(not just these I've mentioned), even if I have Cell Games Son family closer to 30M than 10M.
Anyway, back to the show, base Goku and Vegeta in Namek were around 3M at best, I don't see anything implying that in the android saga they went from that to close to 100M. Specially after Namek, when their training was focused on their SS forms. Except for those 3 years prior to the androids where I believe they did exploit their base forms.
The same goes for the Buu arc, they all train as SS, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, even Goku in that filler were he shows off to the other Kaiosama. They don't take their base form that serious anymore, Whis is the one that takes then back to the roots and prohibites them to transform. So, I can't buy their bases surpassing Freeza due to "collateral damage" of their training.
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I would definitely say SSJ3 Goku in terms of power, but due to Kid Buu's regeneration he was able to keep up
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Yeah, I mean even after Gohan awakened his power and they game is done, he is still behind Goku. Gohan is like 9M and Goku 10M. They still can't touch 50% FF Freeza lol.wolflonnie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:57 pmI think that game stopped trying after the Namek saga: Piccolo is outrageously low, which might be a deliberate choice to not have him (and Android 18) obscenely higher than the saiyans, without having to skyrocket the saiyans' PL every time they learn a transformation. But still.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:51 pm DBZ Kakarot has chimed in on the PL thing:
Cell Games Gohan and Goku are at almost 8M, which to me is a little low, but I guess the game lowballs them. Or maybe if I'd leveled up more, we could be talking about higher numbers. All in all, I think the PL they present are pretty decent(not just these I've mentioned), even if I have Cell Games Son family closer to 30M than 10M.
Anyway, back to the show, base Goku and Vegeta in Namek were around 3M at best, I don't see anything implying that in the android saga they went from that to close to 100M. Specially after Namek, when their training was focused on their SS forms. Except for those 3 years prior to the androids where I believe they did exploit their base forms.
The same goes for the Buu arc, they all train as SS, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, even Goku in that filler were he shows off to the other Kaiosama. They don't take their base form that serious anymore, Whis is the one that takes then back to the roots and prohibites them to transform. So, I can't buy their bases surpassing Freeza due to "collateral damage" of their training.
Power-wise, SS3 Goku. After fighting him he was still confident that his power was enough. The power drain betrayed him.
Worst case scenario, they are even.
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I think Goku had the edge in raw power. Boo's regeneration and infinite stamina more than evened the odds, though.
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Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.
But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
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I think Abocado is the form that rivals Freeza, so he might be able to beat the Base Saiyans.
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He could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga GokuKoitsukai wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.
But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
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Are the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more sop-hyvo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pmHe could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga GokuKoitsukai wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.
But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
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Yes, both Goku and daizenshuu aknowledges that clones inside buu are as strong as the originalsMad Swami wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pmAre the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more sop-hyvo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pmHe could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga GokuKoitsukai wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm Abo and Cado were stated to be at least as strong as Freeza, Final Form Freeza most likely because Tarble knew Freeza was killed by his brother's party and Goku downplayed Freeza as a villain.
But then they fuse and form Abocado, who goes down easily vs SS Goku, so who from Z could Abocado defeat? the androids? Cell?
That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
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Oh ok my bad. Thanksp-hyvo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:58 pmYes, both Goku and daizenshuu aknowledges that clones inside buu are as strong as the originalsMad Swami wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:27 pmAre the clones equal? I didn't know that. I did however know the anime is a far stronger cannon than the manga and the movies even more sop-hyvo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pm
He could beat anyone until ssj2 Cell saga Gohan/early ssj2 buu saga Goku
That special clearly scales from dbz anime, in wich Goku>>>gotenks at the end of buu saga (Goku matches up with mystic gohan clone only using ssj, and the clones are as strong as the original characters)
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Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?
Personally:
Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000
You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.
Personally:
Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000
You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.
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Vegeta: 18,000Mireya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?
Personally:
Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000
You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.
Frieza: 120,000,000
Cell: 2,350,000,000-3,460,000,000
Kid Buu: 7,230,000,000-8,350,000,000
Super Buu: 19,000,000,000-21,000,000,000
Buuhan: 500,000,000,000
That's just me however
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Vegeta 18'000Mireya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 pm Where would you guys put each major villain of the main saga, power level wise?
Personally:
Vegeta: 18,000
Freeza: 120,000,000
Cell: 10,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 80,000,000,000
Super Boo: 800,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000
You can include the villains of DBS, if you like.
Freezer 159'000'000 (healthy) , 120'000'000 (injuried)
Cell 1'500'000'000'000 (perfect), 300'000'000'000'000 (super perfect)
Kid buu 2'200'000'000'000'000 (manga), 2'640'000'000'000'000'000 (anime)
Super buu 324'000'000'000'000'000
Buuhan 824'000'642'000'000'000 , 41'200'032'100'000'000'000 (rage, anime only)
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Vegeta is at 18,000 and Freeza is at 120 million. We've had official numbers for both those guys for almost 30 years now, no debate or speculation needed.
Battle of Gods gave us an upper ceiling for Goku's base-form power (still weaker than Freeza), which retroactively gave us rough ceilings for him and others in the Boo and Cell arcs too. So even with all the power-leapfrogging going on during the Cell/Androids arc, even the top players can only end up so strong. For me at current, Cell at his strongest is at 7 billion.
Pure Boo: 30 billion, A bit below SS3 Goku (36b).
Evil Boo: Around 100 billion, waaaay stronger than SS3 Goku.
Gohan-absorbed Boo: 250 billion, simply adding Gohan's power to his own.
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You said Buuhan is just adding Gohan and Pure Buu but what about Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo? If I am misunderstanding then my apologiesKaboom wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:52 amVegeta is at 18,000 and Freeza is at 120 million. We've had official numbers for both those guys for almost 30 years now, no debate or speculation needed.
Battle of Gods gave us an upper ceiling for Goku's base-form power (still weaker than Freeza), which retroactively gave us rough ceilings for him and others in the Boo and Cell arcs too. So even with all the power-leapfrogging going on during the Cell/Androids arc, even the top players can only end up so strong. For me at current, Cell at his strongest is at 7 billion.
Pure Boo: 30 billion, A bit below SS3 Goku (36b).
Evil Boo: Around 100 billion, waaaay stronger than SS3 Goku.
Gohan-absorbed Boo: 250 billion, simply adding Gohan's power to his own.
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Their power is so small and inconsequential compared to Ultimate Gohan's that I usually just don't even bother factoring them in. If Gohan is at 150, then the combined power of Piccolo, base Trunks, and base Goten wouldn't even be a 2.
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