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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by supersaiyangodgogeta » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:24 pm

PLs for all of Z and Super

[Android & Cell Arc]

[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]
Super Saiyan Grade 2=[1.4xSuper Saiyan]/[70xbase]
Super Saiyan Grade 3=[10xSuper Saiyan Grade 2]/[700xbase]
Super Saiyan 2=[2xSuper Saiyan]/[100xbase]

Base Future Goku: 3,600,000
Super Saiyan Future Goku: 180,000,000

Base Future Vegeta: 2,900,000
Super Saiyan Future Vegeta: 145,000,000

Future Piccolo: 2,800,000

Future Krillin: 400,000

Future Tien: 350,000

Future Yamcha: 300,000

Future Kid Trunks: 50,000

Base Future Gohan: 2,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Gohan: 100,000,000

Future #17(Less than half): 105,000,000

Base Future Gohan(Zenkai): 3,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Gohan: 150,000,000

Future Android 17: 240,000,000
Future Android 18: 230,000,000

Super Saiyan Future Kid Trunks: 2,500,000

Mecha Freeza: 135,000,000

King Cold: 100,000,000

Base Future Trunks: 3,100,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 155,000,000

Base Goku(Post Yardrat): 3,500,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 175,000,000

Piccolo(Weighted): 103,000,000
Piccolo(3 year timeskip): 150,000,000

Base Goku(3 year timeskip): 4,200,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 210,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Heart virus): 180,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Heart virus worsened): 130,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Energy lost): 40,000,000

Gohan(3 year timeskip): 2,700,000

Krillin(3 year timeskip): 2,500,000

Tien(3 year timeskip): 2,000,000

Yamcha(3 year timeskip): 1,500,000

Android 19: 40,000,000
Android 19(Kamehameha absorbed): 60,000,000
Android 19(Vegeta's energy absorbed): 120,000,000

Dr Gero: 50,000,000
Dr Gero(Big Bang attack absorbed): 105,000,000
Dr Gero(Piccolo's energy absorbed): 130,000,000

Base Vegeta(3 year timeskip): 4,300,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 215,000,000

Base Future Trunks(3 year timeskip): 3,100,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 155,000,000

Android 17: 300,000,000
Android 18: 290,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 220,000,000

Super Namek Piccolo(weighted): 280,000,000
Super Namek Piccolo: 300,000,000

Imperfect Cell(Post humans): 435,000,000

Android 16: 435,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell(Suppressed): 660,000,000

Base Vegeta(Post HTC training): 15,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 750,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta: 1,050,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell(Full power): 735,000,000

Base Future Trunks(Post HTC training): 14,900,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 745,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 Future Trunks: 1,043,000,000

Perfect Cell(Heavily suppressed): 1,025,000,000
Perfect Cell(Less suppressed): 1,600,000,000

Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks(Initial): 1,400,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks(Powered up): 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks: 10,430,000,000

Perfect Cell(Power stressed,suppressed): 16,000,000,000

Base Goku(Post HTC training): 53,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(50%): 1,325,000,000

Piccolo(Post HTC training): 445,000,000

Base Vegeta(Post 2nd HTC training): 40,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 2,000,000,000

Base Future Trunks(Post 2nd HTC training): 37,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 1,850,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku: 2,650,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Tired): 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(More tired): 800,000,000

Perfect Cell(Suppressed against Goku): 2,700,000,000
Perfect Cell(Tired): 2,300,000,000

Base Gohan(Post HTC training): 68,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 3,400,000,000

Perfect Cell(True speed): 3,500,000,000

Cell Jr: 2,025,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 6,800,000,000

Perfect Cell(Full power): 4,400,000,000
Perfect Cell(Power stressed): 44,000,000,000
Perfect Cell(Zenkai): 6,600,000,000

Base Future Trunks(3 years later): 38,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 1,900,000,000

Future Imperfect Cell: 320,000,000[/spoiler]


[Boo Arc]

[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]
Super Saiyan 2=[2xSuper Saiyan]/[100xbase]
Super Saiyan 3=[4xSuper Saiyan 2]/[400xbase]
Fusion multiplier[Vegito]=A+B(150,000)
Fusion multiplier[Gotenks]=A+B(78)
Fusion multiplier[Kibito Kai]=A+B(11)

Base Gohan(Rusty): 300,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 15,000,000

Base Goten: 300,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 15,000,000

Base Trunks: 320,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 16,000,000

Base Gohan(Post training): 44,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 2,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 4,400,000,000

Base Goten(Post training): 400,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 20,000,000

Base Trunks(Post training): 420,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 21,000,000

Piccolo: 455,000,000

Kibito: 38,000,000

Shin: 580,000,000

Base Goku: 76,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 3,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 7,600,000,000

Base Vegeta: 60,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 6,000,000,000

Pui Pui: 10,000,000

Yakon: 40,000,000

Dabura: 4,400,000,000

Base Majin Vegeta: 76,000,000
Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta: 3,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta: 7,600,000,000

Innocent Boo(Docile): 5,000,000,000
Innocent Boo(Angry): 8,000,000,000
Innocent Boo(Angrier): 16,000,000,000
Innocent Boo(Full power): 24,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 30,400,000,000

Base Gotenks: 63,960,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 3,198,000,000

Base Gohan(Post Z-Sword training): 90,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 9,000,000,000

Good Boo(Split): 5,000,000,000
Evil Boo: 19,000,000,000

Super Boo: 38,000,000,000

Base Goten(Post HTC training): 600,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 30,000,000

Base Trunks(Post HTC training): 620,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 31,000,000

Base Gotenks: 95,160,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 4,758,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks: 38,064,000,000

Ultimate Gohan: 14,000,000,000,000

Kibito Kai: 6,798,000,000

Super Boo(Gotenks & Piccolo absorbed): 18,000,000,000,000
Super Boo(Piccolo, Trunks & Goten absorbed): 40,000,000,000
Super Boo(Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks & Goten absorbed): 23,000,000,000,000

Base Vegito: 22,800,000,000,000
Super Vegito: 1,140,000,000,000,000

South Supreme Kai: 35,000,000,000

Pure Boo(South Supreme Kai absorbed): 15,000,000,000,000

Good Boo(Restored): 24,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 3 Goku(Tired): 24,000,000,000

Pure Boo: 45,000,000,000[/spoiler]


[Dragon Ball Super]

[spoiler]Super Saiyan=[50xbase]
Super Saiyan 2=[2xSuper Saiyan]/[100xbase]
Super Saiyan 3=[4xSuper Saiyan 2]/[400xbase]
Quake of Fury=[270,000xbase]/[384xSuper Saiyan]
Super Saiyan God=[6,000,000,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Blue=[50xSuper Saiyan God]/[300,000,000,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Blue(Goku's post Black fight)=[1,200,000,000,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Blue(Post Vegeta's HTC training)=[350xSuper Saiyan God]/[2,100,000,000,000xbase]
Golden Frieza=[337,000,000,000xFinal form]
Golden Frieza(Post Hell training)=[2,100,000,000,000xFinal Form]
Super Saiyan Rose=[1,000xbase]
Super Saiyan 2(Full power)=[7.9xSuper Saiyan]/[395xbase]
Super Saiyan Grade 3=[14xSuper Saiyan]/[700xbase]
Super Saiyan Rage=[400,000,000,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Berserker=[1,000,000,000,000,000xbase]
Super Saiyan Berseker(Mastered)=[1,700,000,000,000,000xbase]
Barrier of Light=[1.2xMerged Zamasu]
Light of Justice=[500,000,000,000xMerged Zamasu]
Fusion multiplier[Gotenks]=A+B(78)
Fusion multiplier[Vegito]=A+B(2,500,000,000,000)
Fusion multiplier[Merged Zamasu]=A+B(20)
Fusion multiplier[Kefla]=A+B(9,000,000,000)

[Battle of Gods arc]

Base Goku: 90,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 36,000,000,000

Beerus(Heavily suppressed): 2,000,000,000,000,000

Base Vegeta: 90,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 9,000,000,000

Piccolo: 460,000,000

Base Goten: 600,000
Super Saiyan Goten: 30,000,000

Base Trunks: 620,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 31,000,000

Base Gotenks: 95,160,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 4,758,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks: 38,064,000,000

Ultimate Gohan(Weakened): 50,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta(Quake of Fury): 24,300,000,000,000
Galick Gun: 243,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Beerus(10%): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku(Collected Energy): 100,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan God Goku(Initial): 100,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku(1st power up): 200,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku(2nd power up): 400,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku: 600,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Goku(Saiyan Beyond God): 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(God's crimson radiance): 600,000,000,004,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(Powered up): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Whis: 150,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Rebirth of F arc]

Rebirth of F arc Piccolo: 465,000,000

Shisami: 465,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Base Gohan: 22,000,000
Base Gohan(Weakened Ultimate power): 750,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 1,100,000,000

Tagoma: 750,000,000
Ginyu(Tagoma's body): 950,000,000

First Form Frieza: 10,000,000,000
Final Form Frieza: 112,500,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Base Goku: 112,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Suppressed): 18,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 33,750,000,000,000,000,000,000

Rebirth of F arc Base Vegeta: 112,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 33,750,000,000,000,000,000,000

Golden Freeza(Suppressed): 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Golden Freeza: 37,912,500,000,000,000,000,000
Golden Freeza(Tired): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Universe 6 arc]

Base Gohan: 46,000,000
Base Gohan(Ultimate power): 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 2,300,000,000

Base Goku: 115,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 5,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 34,500,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken: 69,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaiokenx10: 345,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Universe 6 arc Base Vegeta: 115,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 5,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 34,500,000,000,000,000,000,000

Piccolo: 1,500,000,000
Special beam cannon(Far beyond limits): 500,000,000,000

Botamo: 1,000,000,000

First Form Frost: 10,000,000,000
Assault Form Frost: 30,000,000,000
Final form Frost: 116,000,000,000
Final form Frost(Tired): 50,000,000,000

Magetta: 100,000,000,000

Cabba: 100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Cabba: 5,000,000,000,000

Hit: 500,000,000,000,000,000,000

Champa: 9,900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Vados: 160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Future Trunks arc]

Base Future Trunks: 47,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 2,350,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks: 4,700,000,000

Future Dabura: 4,400,000,000

Future Trunks(Post Black fights): 116,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 5,800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks(Suppressed): 11,750,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks(Full power): 45,820,000,000,000

Goku Black: 70,000,000,000,000

Base Goku: 117,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 5,850,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 11,700,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 46,800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 35,100,000,000,000,000,000,000

Goku Black(Vs Goku): 5,000,000,000,000
Goku Black(1st power up): 5,850,000,000,000
Goku Black(2nd power up): 60,000,000,000,000

Base Vegeta: 117,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 35,100,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks: 81,200,000,000,000

Zamasu: 10,000,000,000,000

Base Future Trunks(Post training): 140,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Future Trunks: 7,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks(Full power): 55,300,000,000,000

Base Goku Black(Zenkai): 34,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 34,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Goku Black(2nd Zenkai): 40,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Future Zamasu: 10,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Rage boost): 46,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Goku Black(3rd Zenkai): 56,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 56,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks: 56,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Goku(Post Black fight): 140,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Suppressed): 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Vegeta(Post training): 140,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta(Suppressed): 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Goku Black(Rage boost): 120,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black: 120,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu: 2,400,000,000,200,000,000,000,000
Merged Zamasu(Barrier of Light): 2,880,000,000,240,000,000,000,000
Light of Absolution: 150,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Full power): 168,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta(Full power): 294,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Goku(Beyond Limits): 294,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaiokenx10 Goku: 2,940,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu(Light of Justice): 1,320,000,000,110,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Vegito: 700,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito: 1,470,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu(Power stressed): 3,960,000,000,330,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks(Sword of Light): 8,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Hit: 750,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Universe Survival arc]

Base Goku: 140,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 7,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 294,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken: 588,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Gohan: 102,500,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 5,125,000,000,000

Good Boo(Docile): 5,000,000,000
Good Boo(Angry): 20,000,000,000
Good Boo(Full power): 24,000,000,000

Basil: 7,000,000,000
Basil(Full power): 15,000,000,000
Basil(Drugged): 22,500,000,000

Lavender: 15,000,000,000

Bergamo: 140,000,000,000
Bergamo(Powered up): 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Sidra: 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Toppo: 290,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Toppo(Full power): 5,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Belmod: 10,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Krillin: 80,000,000

Base Vegeta: 140,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 7,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 294,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Good Boo(Post training): 145,000,000,000

Android 17: 250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Tien: 75,000,000

Master Roshi: 30,000,000
Master Roshi(Max power, Withcraft): 110,000,000,000

Piccolo: 125,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan: 10,250,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan(Original strength): 14,000,000,000,000

Base Gohan(Post training): 125,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 14,000,000,000,000

Base Goku(Post training): 145,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 7,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 304,500,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Vegeta(Post HTC training): 145,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 7,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 304,500,000,000,000,000,000,000

Final Form Frieza(Post training): 145,000,000,000
Golden Frieza: 304,500,000,000,000,000,000,000

Hop: 5,000,000,000

Oregano: 4,000,000,000

Roselle: 4,000,000,000

Hyssop: 7,000,000,000

Chappil: 10,000,000,000

Nigrisshi: 5,000,000,000

Narirama: 9,000,000,000

Napapa: 110,000,000,000

Methiop: 105,000,000,000

Murichim: 120,000,000,000

Base Caulifla: 102,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Caulifla: 5,100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Caulifla: 71,400,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla: 10,200,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Goku(Suppressed): 10,250,000,000,000

Base Kale: 100,000
Super Saiyan Berserker Kale: 400,000,000,000,000,000,000

Jiren(Heavily suppressed): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Kahseral: 125,000,000,000

Tupper: 115,000,000,000

Kettol: 110,000,000,000

Zoiray: 95,000,000,000

Cocotte: 90,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Kale(Controlled): 14,500,000,000,000

Rozie: 120,000,000,000

Kakunsa: 120,000,000,000

Ribrianne: 130,000,000,000

Rubalt: 110,000,000,000

Obuni: 125,000,000,000

Hit: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Dyspo: 100,000,000,000

Kunshi: 95,000,000,000

Super Saiyan God Goku: 870,000,000,000,000,000,000

Caway: 500,000

Ganos: 10,000,000
Transformed Ganos: 20,000,000,000
Transformed Ganos(Powered up): 50,000,000,000

Master Roshi(Max power, beyond limits): 110,000,000,000

Hermila: 60,000,000

Prum: 60,000,000

Maji Kayo(Muscular form): 8,000,000,000,000

Jimeze: 100,000,000,000

Final Form Frost: 130,000,000,000
Final Form Frost(100%): 185,000,000,000

Final Form Frieza(100%): 207,000,000,000

Super Ribrianne: 145,000,000,000

Jiren(Suppressed): 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Kaiokenx20 Goku: 6,090,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Universe 7 Spirit Bomb: 8,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Jiren(Less suppressed): 15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Ultra Instinct Goku(Initial): 14,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Ultra Instinct Goku(Evolving): 16,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Jiren(Powered up): 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Monna: 7,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Cabba: 10,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Goku(Less suppressed): 11,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku(Full power): 14,500,000,000,000

Base Caulifla(Potential unleashed): 145,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla: 14,500,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 58,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Berserker Kale(Mastered): 680,000,000,000,000,000,000

Base Kefla(Suppressed): 1,100,000,000,000,000,000,000
Base Kefla(Full power): 1,305,000,900,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Kefla(Suppressed): 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Kefla(Energy increasing): 304,500,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Kefla(Full power): 8,874,006,120,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Kefla: 17,748,012,240,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Ultra Instinct Goku(Powered up): 26,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Kefla(Powered up): 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Android 18: 135,000,000,000
Android 18(Love powered): 100,000,000,000,000

Super Ribrianne(Powered up): 80,000,000,000,000

Saonel: 125,000,000,000
Saonel(Namekian fusion): 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Pirina: 125,000,000,000
Pirina(Namekian fusion): 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Katopesla: 480,000,000
Katopesla(Ultimate mode): 144,000,000,000

Shantsa: 50,000

Koitsukai: 100,000,000,000

Panchia: 100,000,000,000

Bollarator: 100,000,000,000

Koichiarator: 320,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Anilaza: 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Jiren(Suppressed vs Vegeta): 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta(Pride boost): 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Beyond Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: 6,090,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Jiren(Powered up): 40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:29 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:Can someone give me there king piccolo and 23rd budokai power levels. Curious to aee how people compare them to the boz and Raditz fight.
My power levels for them are these:

King Piccolo - 300

King Chappa (23rd) - 110

Chi Chi (23rd) - 130

Chiaotzu (23rd) - 150

Cyborg Tao (23rd) - 240

Yamcha (23rd) - 260

Krillin (23rd) - 270

Tien (23rd) - 360

Popo - 450

Kami - 500

Weighted Piccolo (pre Krillin fight) - 300 (the same as his father)
Weighted Piccolo (post Krillin fight) - 500 (the "true strength" of Ma Junior)
Weighted Piccolo - 570
Piccolo (warming up vs Goku) - 640
Piccolo (full power) - 720

Weighted Goku (speed) - 300
Weighted Goku (strength) - 578
Goku (warming up vs Piccolo) - 640
Goku (full power) - 720

In Z, Goku would be 832 and Piccolo, 816 (twice their manga power levels), the reason is because I think they were suppressed at that point, like everyone else. Raditz would be like 1,250, which is x1.5 times stronger than Goku. Enough for the gap to be big for Goku and Piccolo to get stomped by him.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:39 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:Can someone give me there king piccolo and 23rd budokai power levels. Curious to aee how people compare them to the boz and Raditz fight.
My power levels for them are these:

King Piccolo - 300

King Chappa (23rd) - 110

Chi Chi (23rd) - 130

Chiaotzu (23rd) - 150

Cyborg Tao (23rd) - 240

Yamcha (23rd) - 260

Krillin (23rd) - 270

Tien (23rd) - 360

Popo - 450

Kami - 500

Weighted Piccolo (pre Krillin fight) - 300 (the same as his father)
Weighted Piccolo (post Krillin fight) - 500 (the "true strength" of Ma Junior)
Weighted Piccolo - 570
Piccolo (warming up vs Goku) - 640
Piccolo (full power) - 720

Weighted Goku (speed) - 300
Weighted Goku (strength) - 578
Goku (warming up vs Piccolo) - 640
Goku (full power) - 720

In Z, Goku would be 832 and Piccolo, 816 (twice their manga power levels), the reason is because I think they were suppressed at that point, like everyone else. Raditz would be like 1,250, which is x1.5 times stronger than Goku. Enough for the gap to be big for Goku and Piccolo to get stomped by him.
Your power levels fit better and allow more room for the characters to grow. Nice job.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:21 am

Pre-Raditz numbers are tricky, but they can work fine if you take a flexible approach to them and keep in mind how characters used their power back then.

The power level numbers that get tossed around, based on scouter readings, are really nothing more than a measurement of the raw ki that someone's radiating. Back in the early pre-Raditz days, battles focused a lot more on physical attributes and technique, and ki usage didn't become a primary factor until, at the very earliest, the 22nd World Tournament and King Piccolo era. Even then and beyond, ki attacks were still big special things that could cause the user's power to fluctuate a lot, as we saw in Goku and Piccolo's fight with Raditz.

So if you play things appropriately loose with the pre-Raditz numbers we're given, it's fairly easy to just consider them starting levels which the characters can flex and amplify to different extents, especially when using big attacks. I haven't actually made pre-Raditz numbers for my lists (yet), but here's some Piccolo-arc numbers I threw together once as an example, with the official ones bolded...
  • Goku (Round 1): 180
    -- Attacking: 250
    -- Worn-Out: 120
    -- Kamehameha: 200
    Goku: (Round 2): 260
    -- Attacking: 500
    -- Final Super-Focused Punch: 750

    King Piccolo (Old): 220
    -- Attacking: 280
    -- Full Power: 600
    King Piccolo (Young): 260
    -- Attacking: 500
    -- Full Power: 700
Then this is the same concept that gives Goku a 900+ number against Piccolo Jr, if we assume that was his Super Kamehameha, and gave Goku and Piccolo's attacks against Raditz powers of nearly and over 1,000.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ahill1 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:31 am

So, a battle power list following Freeza > base Saiyajins (which I don't necessarily follow but will be doing so for this list). And enjoy and comment on what you don't agree with.


Future Trunks' arrival

King Cold : 90,000,000
Mecha Freeza : 150,000,000


[Then, one year after Freeza's defeat on Namek, Freeza decides to takes his revenge and get his title of the strongest in the Universe back. He says now he might be strong enough to go at Goku alone, but still is not sure, so much so he brings up his father alongside him... so having him around SSJ Goku [Namek] is fitting.

King Cold is strong enough that he'd ensure Freeza's win against SSJ Goku, so he shouldn't be TOO much below them... but still, we get a clear statement in the Daizenshuu that he is somewhat weaker than 100% Freeza]


Future Trunks : 3,400,000
--> SSJ : 170,000,000
Son Goku : 3,600,000
--> SSJ : 180,000,000

[Future Trunks doesn't seem worried with Freeza at all and even encourages him, alongside his father, to go at him at full power... still stating he'd defeat them in seconds, so he is for sure stronger than Mecha Freeza. Still, I don't think it has to be by a pretty big amount, and even an 88% gap can justify such confidence, considering Vegeta was soundly defeating Goku on Earth with such gap.

Goku's strength surprised Trunks, who stated Goku is even better than what he had heard second handed... but still considering the new upcoming threat -- said by Trunks to be monsters and stronger than him -- scared Goku and urged in him the need to train hard for three years, I'd say his gap over Trunks is limited... they are still on the same general level, even moreso when both were basically testing the waters in their little scuffle. Goku at 180M sounds also a fine improvement considering it seems he did spend most of his time trying to master the Shunkanido. Still, this is a battle power enough to overwhelm his Namek SSJ self].


Androids saga


Android #19 : 110,000,000
--> Post absorptions : 153,000,000
Android #20 : 135,000,000
--> Post absorptions : 164,000,000


[Those androids aren't so strong initially, but eventually did get quite a bit stronger (mainly #19) upon absorbing the heroe's energy... #19 post was still labeled by Vegeta to not match their rumors (he even stated in VIZ that the legends far outstrips the reality), so I would say that not even his post absorption self is strong enough to overcome Trunks from 3 years ago.

#20 is initially quite a few steps above #19 and eventually recovers his position as the strongest upon absorbing energy... but his post absorption self is still "weak" enough that Piccolo would question him based on his strength and on it alone... Piccolo is still doubting his strength, and because of it, he considers that the story also changed on this aspect. But considering he still was doubting such, it'd make sense to have him on the same level as Trunks ssj from 3 years ago, imo]


Piccolo : 190,000,000

Future Trunks : 4,500,000
--> SSJ : 225,000,000
Son Goku : 5,000,000
--> SSJ : 250,000,000
Vegeta : 5,200,000
--> SSJ : 260,000,000


[All those warriors have been training and improving themselves. Piccolo is now strong enough that he isn't lacking confidence on his way to battle the androids, which would imply he is probably surpassing even Yardrat Goku. But he is still not in a different level, considering the androids being beated by him still eventually rises the question about their strength having in fact been changed, kind of implying the androids being bated that easily by him wasn't something he expected. So, stronger than [Yardrat] SSJ Goku, but still in the same general level is fitting.


The three SSJs are constantly grouped together and are, therefore, in a different tier from Piccolo. Even the weakest of them -- Trunks -- is still apparently not so much different from Vegeta via Tenshinhan's comment and strong enough to be used as a way for Piccolo to clarify how monstrous those androids are, post their defeat. Goku and Vegeta are a step or two above Trunks and very close together, considering Piccolo couldn't even distinguish Vegeta from Goku in a straight way and had to take a guess.]


Android #18 : 340,000,000
Android #17 : 380,000,000


[Both androids are on their own tier and the weakest -- #18 -- is strong enough to shrug off Vegeta's powerful blast -- in the anime it was a BBA iirc -- with only a few bruises. Besides, she considers Vegeta nothing special and rivals someone -- weighted Kamiccolo -- to whom Vegeta stated was for sure above his own power.

#17 is stated in a title page to be "less suppressed" compared to #18, so he is stronger than his sister, but they are still in the same plane of power considering Piccolo W/Kami (weighted) is said to rival both.]

Piccolo w/Kami [weighted] : 340,000,000
--> non weighted : 380,000,000

[Strong enough to fight on par with #17 at his fullest capabilities]


Imperfect Cell [pre human] : 280,000,000
--> Post human : 500,000,000
Android #16 : 500,000,000

[Imperfect Cell, even pre absorptions, is implied to be rather strong, being referred by Vegeta as incredibly powerful... he is also strong enough that Vegeta probably considered him as one of the foes who surpassed him in the "they are outdoing me from left and right" statement and that Goku, even upon being fully healed, would consider him as somewhat out of his reach. Still, he doesn't rival the androids at all as per #16's statement, so whilst he is stronger than the SSJs, he is still in a tier below the androids #17 and #18.

Imperfect Cell post absorbing all those humans did evidently reach a new level, so much so his power up was enough to left Piccolo completely flabbergasted, as well as to easily dispose of him and #17. #16 fought on par with him, so #16 is on a tier above compared to the androids and Piccolo, evidently.


Semi Perfect Cell [initial] : 800,000,000
--> Full power : 900,000,000

Future Trunks [post RoSaT] : 15,000,000
--> SSJ : 750,000,000
--> SSJG2 : 1,125,000,000

Vegeta [post RoSaT] : 16,000,000
--> SSJ : 800,000,000
--> SSJG2 : 1,200,000,000

Perfect Cell [vs Vegeta] : 1,600,000,000

Future Trunks SSJG3 : 1,800,000,000


[Cell did reach a new plateau of power after absorbing #17, with Goku describing it as such. Piccolo considered his power such that he stated he is somewhat of an unreachable foe, and that he couldn't be beaten by anyone no matter what they do. He is strong enough to tank #16 in a pretty impressive fashion and blast him, damaging him to the point he couldn't even move himself properly afterwards, denoting how much of a monster Cell did become.

Vegeta and Trunks, similarly, also reached a different level of power after training in the Room, with their SSJ strong enough to be a tough challenge to initial Semi Cell, allowing their upcoming transformations to completely stomp Cell. Cell could get zero offensive power and was bodied left from right. He then 'kind of' tricked his way out of the fight, convincing Vegeta to allow him to become perfect, so he'd have a better challenge, exploiting, of course, Vegeta's will to fight strong opponents. That, proved to be, though, Vegeta's undoing, and Cell got strong enough to easily defeat SSJG2 Vegeta when barely even taking him serious.

Trunks did another transformation, recognised by the big mass muscle and absence of speed. Like described by Goku, it kills the user's speed, so even though Trunks was significantly above that Perfect Cell -- to the point he thought he wouldn't even need the Senzu Beans to win -- his speed was just completely out of sync with his battle power, and he couldn't hit Cell at all.]


Son Goku SSJ [50%] : 1,600,000,000

[Son Goku also trained in the RoSaT with his son and powered up even more than Vegeta and Trunks did, so much so he could soundly outclass Vegeta with half of his power alone... his power was such that it flabbergasted all of the Z warriors and aggravated Vegeta's will into entering in the room and training his ass off for the Cell Games. I think this level of Goku being at the level Cell used to demolish Vegeta to be pretty fitting, even moreso when they apparently fought on par with each other when warming up -- assuming Goku was using 50%, that is...]


Cell Games

Android #16 : 500,000,000

Piccolo : 1,600,000,000

Future Trunks : 38,000,000
--> SSJ : 1,900,000,000

Vegeta : 40,000,000
--> SSJ : 2,000,000,000

Cell Junior : 2,100,000,000


[#16 has logically the same power as before. Piccolo powered up a bunch in his time in the RoSaT, so much so he'd be complimented by Goku and warrant a reaction of surprise from Trunks after Goku clarifying he was still useless. He was also strong enough to not be easily done in by the Cell Juniors and was still standing up at the end of the fight just like Vegeta and Trunks, although it's likely he wasn't giving the same kind of fight those latters were given Cell's statement. Still, it's pretty impressive that he'd reach 50% Goku's level of power.

Vegeta and Trunks also did power up a lot, and Vegeta was even confident in being the one to defeat Cell before becoming aware of how strong 100% Goku and Cell really were, so it's logical to think he at least surpassed 50% Goku and the level Cell used to trounce him, and so did Trunks, consequently.

The Cell Juniors are slightly stronger than them, considering Cell stated they were 'barely' fighting evenly, but Vegeta and Trunks are still strong enough to reciprocate. Vegeta, at least, was seen exchanging blows of same effect against one of them.]


Son Goku FPSSJ : 3,000,000,000

Perfect Cell [vs Goku] : 3,400,000,000
--> Full power : 5,000,000,000

Son Gohan FPSSJ : 3,400,000,000
--> Speed : 3,800,000,000
--> SSJ2 + rage boost : 8,000,000,000

'Super' Perfect Cell : 7,200,000,000


[So, Goku's full power is strong enough to flabbergast everyone... so is Cell's 'still suppressed' power, who was somewhat above Goku's 100%, described by Vegeta to be "1 or 2 steps" above Kakarotto.

Gohan is also quite a power house merely in SSJ, much for everyone's surprise. Goku stated that Gohan would be the one to finish this threat once and for all, indicating that, upon fighting Cell, he got to know Gohan had the ability to take him down. Gohan powers up, and Cell states that what Goku said wasn't a total bluff, but that it's still an exaggeration to think he had the power to defeat him, indicating Gohan FPSSJ is above his father, but still below Cell. Cell then gets surprised by Gohan's speed and resilience, getting caught off guard because of it, but his battle power didn't seem to be even above the level Cell used to battle Goku, considering Cell only saw the need to increase his speed. So, Gohan's BP is moderately stronger than Goku's whilst his speed would be a bit out of sync with his chi-level, which is also seen in the Boo saga when he is confident in his speed against Fat Boo despite his battle power being way lower.

Then, Cell learns what Goku actually meant when he said Gohan could defeat him : his rage boost! Then, he begins to try 'pulling' that out of Gohan, and upon seeing how merely harming Gohan isn't necessary, he targets his friends instead.

Gohan gets angry and easily pummels around full power Perfect Cell. I believe Gohan got a rage boost on top of his SSJ2 due to some implications in the Boo saga and by the fact that the gaps in the Cell Games would flow better that way, in which case we wouldn't need to have a humongous gap between Gohan and Goku in the CGs while in same forms.

Super Perfect Cell gets a big power up upon getting a Zenkai, and is strong enough that he thinks this time things won't turn out to be so easy... he still is most definitely weaker though considering Gohan is used as a benchmark in the Boo saga, and also considering that Goku was sure that, in a KMHMH struggle (in which only power is involved) Gohan would defeat Cell. So, Cell is somewhat close with Gohan being still the superior one.


Trunks' future


Future Gohan [2 arms] : 2,300,000
--> SSJ : 115,000,000

Future Gohan [1 arm] : 3,300,000
--> SSJ : 165,000,000

Future Trunks [age 17] : 3,400,00
--> SSJ : 170,000,000

Future Android #18 : 260,000,000
Future Android #17 : 280,000,000
--> Less than half : 132,000,000


Future Trunks [coming back] : 38,000,000
--> SSJ : 1,900,000,000
--> SSJ (after 3 years) : 2,200,000,000

Imperfect Cell : 440,000,000


[Future Gohan [2 arms]'s power is basically left in the shadows, we can only speculate about such power... as for 1 arm Gohan, we know he is considerably above [less than half] #17, considering he considered the prospect of fighting against both, infinite-energy model types, when lacking an arm... and we also know that he is still in the same level as the future Trunks who was about to go back to the past, which would make him at least stronger than Mecha Freeza and Namek SSJ Goku...

Future Android #18 is implied to be at [androids saga] SSJ Vegeta's level, given Trunks' comment about Vegeta fighting on par with those outrageously powerful androids when still being unaware about them being stronger than the ones from his time... and #17 should be, logically, a bit above that.

As for Imperfect Cell, we might figure he is at a higher level than the one who fought against Kamiccolo in Ginger Town, considering he displayed an aura when fighting Trunks, whereas that Cell didn't... but I'd still wager he is still not quite as strong as the one who devastated Kamiccolo and #17, since that Cell stated he aborbed "more people than needed"... and he had previously stated that absorbing Piccolo would almost get him to his 1st evolution FP level or something like this... so I'd figure that his "1st evolution level" is the level he had before reverting to an egg, and that he lost a lot of power when reverting to an egg, so he should absorb people to get him back to that level... but since he absorbed more people than needed in the main's timeline, he'd get stronger than that (500M vs 430M)... that's my take on that Cell's power.

Trunks' post three years is kind of a wild card, but considering (dunno the source) it was stated he seemed somewhat busy in helping re-building the destroyed word and that his hobby is him helping in building stuff, I don't think he has gotten way stronger... I still think he is still quite a bit weaker than Cell Games Goku, honestly... slightly above the Cell Juniors seems fitting here]


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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:11 pm

ahill1 wrote: Son Gohan FPSSJ : 3,400,000,000
--> Speed : 3,800,000,000
Nothing implies Gohan was out of balance. Power and speed go hand in hand unless stated otherwise.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:40 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:Can someone give me there king piccolo and 23rd budokai power levels. Curious to aee how people compare them to the boz and Raditz fight.

I did make a list, which was pretty coherent for the entire series.

Here's a bunch of numbers:

King Piccolo

Roshi = 106
Tien = Goku = Yajirobe = 118
Tambourine = 96
King Piccolo (old, suppressed) = 145
King Piccolo (young) = 200
Drum = 132
Goku (post god water) = 205
Mr Popo = 250
Kami = 300 (suppressed)

23rd TB

Roshi = 118
Tien = 230
Shen = 300
Yamcha = 185
Krillin = 195
Kami (full power) = 500
Goku (Full power) = 750
Piccolo (full power) = 740, giant = 800

Raditz:

Roshi = 139 (manga)
Krillin = 206 (manga)
Tien = 250 (manga)
Yamcha = 177 (manga)
Goku = 924 (manga)
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:11 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:Can someone give me there king piccolo and 23rd budokai power levels. Curious to aee how people compare them to the boz and Raditz fight.
So, i decided to give it a shot and try to work from Roshi's 139 (Though i rounded up to 140) and prove it doesn't really work:

Chaozu: 84
Kuririn/Yamcha: 90
Roshi: 140
Goku (Match Level): 150 (Roshi admited to be surpassed once he saw it)
~ Combat level: 200 (Described as "A whole other level of power" by Tenshinhan)
Tenshinhan: 195

Prime Roshi/Tsuru: 210
Mutaito: 250 (Roshi held his and Tsuru's younger self and Mutaito in a higher regard than Goku and Tenshinhan)
Tambourine: 150 (Goku said he was no match for him even before being healed)
Goku (Recovered): 250 (Piccolo said Goku is the farthest a human could go, so he's equal, if not stronger, than Mutaito)
Yajirobe: 225 (Gave Goku a hard fight)
Piccolo Daimao: 240 (Goku had a slight advantage on him)
~ Powered up: 500 (Totally wrecked Goku's shit)
~ Unseen FP: 1,250 (He said the power he used to wreck Goku's shit wasn't even half of his FP)
Piccolo Daimao (Prime): 1,500 (Piano said there's no comparison between Old and Young Daimao, and Daimao said he was "Overflowing with power"
~ Full Power: 3,750
Goku (Choushinsui): 3,750

Kuririn/Yamcha: 3,375 (Both received praize from Piccolo and God, but are still astonished by Weighted Goku's speed)
Weighted Goku (Speed): 4,000 (Not much faster than he used to be, according to Ten)
Weighted Goku/Tenshinhan: 4,500 (Considerably stronger than Choushinsui Goku and Piccolo Daimao)
Goku (Unweighted): 6,750 (Totally blitzed 3 eyes Tenshinhan)
~ Expected FP: 9,000 (Tenshinhan said Goku didn't use anywhere near FP against him)
Kami (Shen): 11,250 (Tenshinhan says nobody could be that strong, implying Shen is >> Expected FP Goku)
~ True Body: 15,000
Goku/Piccolo Jr (Full Power): 30,000
Half Dead Piccolo: 18,000
Limbless Goku: 20,000

Roshi: 139
Yamcha: 3,750
Kuririn: 4,000
Tenshinhan: 5,625
Goku/Piccolo Jr: 50,000
Raditz: 75,000

Yeah, it doesn't really fit... And i'm being minimalistic here. Goku and Piccolo Jr could be many times above everyone, considering Goku with no limbs defeated the Piccolo who could solo God + the earthlings
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by LightBing » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:25 pm

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: So, i decided to give it a shot and try to work from Roshi's 139 (Though i rounded up to 140) and prove it doesn't really work:
Roshi doesn't need to be at 139 during the 22nd TB only during Raditz. He made way for the new generation doesn't mean he stopped training, in fact looking at the more recent material it's likely he continued improving although at a much slower rate than his pupils which explains his absence past Piccolo Daimao.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:17 pm

LightBing wrote:Roshi doesn't need to be at 139 during the 22nd TB only during Raditz. He made way for the new generation doesn't mean he stopped training, in fact looking at the more recent material it's likely he continued improving although at a much slower rate than his pupils which explains his absence past Piccolo Daimao.
I can work with that and have Roshi as a 70-45 or so, but it still doesn't avoid the bloat.
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Perfect's Battle Powers

Post by Son Perfect » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:10 pm

Always wanted to post one of these, so here.

Scaling:
Doesn't go by offically stated battle powers
Battle powers are very high :)
When it says full power, it's characters at their MAX

Saiyan Multipliers:
Super Saiyan - 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 - 1.25x SSJ
Super Saiyan Grade 3 - 1.40x SSJ
Super Saiyan 2 - 2x SSJ
Super Saiyan 3 - 4x SSJ2

Cell Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan: 1,100,000
Kuririn: 800,000
Yamucha: 400,000
Tenshinhan: 650,000
Chaozu: 95,000
Vegeta: 5,300,000
Piccolo: 4,800,000

Cyborg Freeza (Final Form [Initial]): 200,000,000
Cyborg Freeza (Final Form): 600,000,000

Trunks: 21,000,000
Trunks (Super Saiyan): 1,050,000,000

King Cold: 400,000,000 (?)

Son Goku (Post Year Training): 25,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 1,250,000,000


Son Gohan: 13,000,000
Kuririn: 10,000,000
Tenshinhan: 8,000,000
Yamucha: 2,000,000

Piccolo (Weights): 3,000,000,000
Piccolo (Weightless): 4,500,000,000

Dr. Gero: 2,000,000,000
N. 19: 1,500,000,000

Son Goku: 60,000,000
Son Goku (Sick): 30,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan [Sick]): 1,500,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan [Heart Attack]): 300,000,000

N. 19 (Full Power): 2,000,000,000
N. 19 (Goku's Energy): 2,500,000,000

Vegeta: 63,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 3,150,000,000
Vegeta (Post 19): 57,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan [Post 19]): 2,850,000,000

N. 18 (Initial): 2,850,000,000
N. 18 (Full Power): 8,500,000,000

N. 17 (Intital): 5,000,000,000
N. 16 (Initital): 1,000,000


Piccolo (Fused w/Kami): 9,000,000,000
Cell: 5,000,000,000


Piccolo (Full Power): 9,200,000,000
Piccolo (Worn Out): 3,600,000,000
Piccolo (Light Granade): 14,000,000,000
Piccolo (Even More worn): 1,800,000,000

N. 16: 17,000,000,000
N. 16 (Damaged): 11,000,000,000

Cell (Killing Spree): 16,500,000,000
Cell (2nd Form): 33,000,000,000
Cell (2nd Form [Post Ki-Ko-Ho]): 28,000,000,000

Tenshinhan: 8,000,000
Tenshinhan (Shin Ki-Ko-Ho): 32,000,000,000
Tenshinhan (Post Ki-Ko-Ho): 40

Vegeta (Post Training): 600,000,000
Vegeta: 640,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 32,000,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan Grade 2): 40,000,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan Grade 2 [Final Flash]): 180,000,000,000

Trunks (Post Training): 600,000,000
Trunks: 620,000,000
Trunks (Super Saiyan): 31,000,000,000
Trunks (Super Saiyan Grade 2): 38,750,000,000
Trunks (Super Saiyan Grade 3): 43,400,000,000

Cell (Perfect Form [Initial]): 50,000,000,000
Cell (Perfect Form [Strains]): 90,000,000,000


Son Goku (Super Saiyan [Supressed]): 10,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan [50%]): 75,000,000,000


Son Gohan (Super Saiyan [Supressed]): 10,000,000,000
Kuririn: 12,000,000
Tenshinhan: 9,000,000
Piccolo: 25,000,000,000

Son Goku (Super Saiyan [Warming Up]): 120,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan [Full Power]): 150,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan [Worn]): 65,000,000,000

Cell (Perfect Form [Warming Up]): 125,000,000,000
Cell (Perfect Form [Flaunting Power]): 280,000,000,000
Cell (Perfect Form [Flaunting More Power]): 300,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Super Saiyan): 230,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan [Demoralized]): 30,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan [Enraged]): 275,000,000,000

Mr Satan: 21
N. 16: 20,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged]): 550,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2): 460,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2 [Ultimate Kamehameha]): 1,500,000,000,000

Cell (Perfect Form): 350,000,000,000
Cell (Perfect Form [Super Kamehameha]): 700,000,000,000
Cell (2nd Form): 20,000,000,000
Cell (Perfect Form [Strains]): 435,000,000,000
Cell (Super Perfect): 450,000,000,000
Cell (Super Perfect [Solar Kamehameha]): 1,200,000,000,000

Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2 [Injured]): 230,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2 [Injured {Demoralized}]): 50,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2 [Super Kamehameha]): 900,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2 [Super Kamehameha {Push}]): 1,600,000,000,000[/spoiler]

Boo Arc
[spoiler]Son Gohan (Worn Out): 1,900,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan [Worn Out]): 95,000,000,000
Son Gohan: 2,400,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan): 120,000,000,000

Videl: 32
Videl (Post Training): 64

Son Goten: 750,000,000
Son Goten (Super Saiyan): 37,500,000,000
Son Goten (Post Training): 820,000,000
Son Goten (Super Saiyan [Post Training]): 41,000,000,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 150,000,000,000

Trunks: 780,000,000
Trunks (Super Saiyan): 39,000,000,000
Trunks (Post Training): 870,000,000
Trunks (Super Saiyan [Post Training]): 42,500,000,000

Piccolo: 21,000,000,000
Yamucha: 300,000
Kuririn: 2,000,000
N. 18: 8,300,000,000

Son Goku (Initial): 3,000,000,000
Son Goku: 8,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 400,000,000,000


Spovovich: 95
Yamu: 50
Kaio-Shin: 6,000,000,000
Kabito: 800,000,000

Son Gohan: 2,400,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan): 120,000,000,000
Son Gohan (Super Saiyan 2): 240,000,000,000

Pui Pui: 500,000,000
Yakon: 200,000,000,000
Demon King Dabura: 250,000,000,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
Demon Prince Vegeta: 8,000,000,000
Demon Prince Vegeta (Super Saiyan): 400,000,000,000
Demon Prince Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2): 800,000,000,000

Son Goku: 8,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 400,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan 2): 800,000,000,000

Majin Boo (Initial): 1,400,000,000,000
Majin Boo: 2,000,000,000,000

Son Goku (Super Saiyan 3 [Supressed]): 2,500,000,000,000
Evil Boo: 5,000,000,000,000
Good Boo: 1,000,000,000,000
Super Boo: 6,000,000,000,000
Kuririn: 2,000,000
Piccolo: 21,000,000,000
Yamucha: 300,000
N. 18: 8,300,000,000

Gotenks: 16,900,000,000
Gotenks (Super Saiyan): 845,000,000,000


Son Goten (Post Training): 2,500,000,000
Trunks (Post Training): 3,000,000,000

Gotenks: 55,000,000,000
Gotenks (Super Saiyan): 2,750,000,000,000
Gotenks (Super Saiyan [Super Ghost Kamakazi Attack]): 5,000,000,000,000
Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3): 11,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Son Gohan: 25,000,000,000,000

Super Boo: 5,000,000,000,000
Super Boo (Gotenks): 32,000,000,000,000
Super Boo (Piccolo): 10,051,000,000,000
Super Boo (Gohan): 70,000,000,000,000

Son Goku: 8,000,000,000
Vegeta: 8,000,000,000

Vegito: 3,200,000,000,000
Vegito (Super Saiyan): 160,000,000,000,000
Vegito (Candy): 90,000,000,000,000


Boo: 2,500,000,000,000
Mr Satan: 19
Good Boo: 1,000,000,000,000
Kabitokai: 1,360,000,000,000

Son Goku: 8,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan 2): 800,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan 3): 2,500,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Saiyan 3 [Full Power]): 3,200,000,000,000

Vegeta: 8,000,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2): 800,000,000,000
Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 [Worn]): 50,000,000,000

Son Goku (Spirit Bomb): 1,800,000,000,000
Son Goku (Super Spirit Bomb): 90,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:36 pm

How does these look?

Boo arc:

Goku: 80
-- SS: 4,000
-- SS2: 8,000
-- SS3: 32,000

Pure Boo: 36,000
Mister Boo: 24,000
Evil Boo: 60,000

Gotenks (Pre RoSaT): 12
-- SS: 6,000

Gotenks (Post RoSaT): 18
-- SS: 9,000
-- SS2: 18,000
-- SS3: 72,000

Gohan: 90
-- Ultimate form: 90,000

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:41 pm

ZombieVito wrote:How does these look?

Boo arc:

Goku: 80
-- SS: 4,000
-- SS2: 8,000
-- SS3: 32,000

Pure Boo: 36,000
Mister Boo: 24,000
Evil Boo: 60,000

Gotenks (Pre RoSaT): 12
-- SS: 6,000

Gotenks (Post RoSaT): 18
-- SS: 9,000
-- SS2: 18,000
-- SS3: 72,000

Gohan: 90
-- Ultimate form: 90,000
Works for me! I've been toying with the idea that Gotenks was never surpassed Goku until going Super Saiyan 3 for a while now, and those look about where I'd have everyone. I definitely like the idea that only Vegetto and Evil Boo's absorption forms break the 100 billion barrier.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:54 pm

ZombieVito wrote:How does these look?

Boo arc:

Goku: 80
-- SS: 4,000
-- SS2: 8,000
-- SS3: 32,000

Pure Boo: 36,000
Mister Boo: 24,000
Evil Boo: 60,000

Gotenks (Pre RoSaT): 12
-- SS: 6,000

Gotenks (Post RoSaT): 18
-- SS: 9,000
-- SS2: 18,000
-- SS3: 72,000

Gohan: 90
-- Ultimate form: 90,000
Why the hell is SSJ Gotenks less than twice of SSJ3 Goku? He's stated to be stronger than Goku Pre Rosat, let alone Post who could blow SSJ Pre out of the water in base. It's arguably that even Base Gotenks could beat a SSJ2 with a hand on his back prior to Rosat.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:18 pm

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:Why the hell is SSJ Gotenks less than twice of SSJ3 Goku? He's stated to be stronger than Goku Pre Rosat, let alone Post who could blow SSJ Pre out of the water in base. It's arguably that even Base Gotenks could beat a SSJ2 with a hand on his back prior to Rosat.
The only person who ever said anything that would indicate that pre-RoSaT Gotenks is stronger than Goku is Goku himself, who (A) was downplaying his own strength at the time, and (B) never actually laid eyes on Gotenks when he made that statement since Gotenks didn't even exist at the time. When Gotenks actually does show up, everyone says he's really strong, but nobody actually confirms that he's as strong as Goku made him out to be. Piccolo himself seems doubtful, and he even ask to spar with Gotenks to see if he's really up to snuff.

In regards to the Room of Spirit and Time stuff, plenty of the characters have displayed the ability to know when a character is holding back, and sometimes even by how much. Ginyu makes a pretty accurate guess as to Goku's non-Kaioken full power, despite not knowing how to sense ki. Kuririn and Karin could both tell that Perfect Cell was holding back by a lot, and Karin accurately predicted that Goku would fall short of Cell's true power. For all we know, Piccolo has detected some of Gotenks' hidden depths and mistakenly attributed it to his base form, rather than his Super Saiyan forms. I'd personally take that explanation over Gotenks somehow getting 50+ times stronger by training in 30 minute sessions with hour breaks in between for a week.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:50 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:Why the hell is SSJ Gotenks less than twice of SSJ3 Goku? He's stated to be stronger than Goku Pre Rosat, let alone Post who could blow SSJ Pre out of the water in base. It's arguably that even Base Gotenks could beat a SSJ2 with a hand on his back prior to Rosat.
The only person who ever said anything that would indicate that pre-RoSaT Gotenks is stronger than Goku is Goku himself, who (A) was downplaying his own strength at the time, and (B) never actually laid eyes on Gotenks when he made that statement since Gotenks didn't even exist at the time. When Gotenks actually does show up, everyone says he's really strong, but nobody actually confirms that he's as strong as Goku made him out to be. Piccolo himself seems doubtful, and he even ask to spar with Gotenks to see if he's really up to snuff.

In regards to the Room of Spirit and Time stuff, plenty of the characters have displayed the ability to know when a character is holding back, and sometimes even by how much. Ginyu makes a pretty accurate guess as to Goku's non-Kaioken full power, despite not knowing how to sense ki. Kuririn and Karin could both tell that Perfect Cell was holding back by a lot, and Karin accurately predicted that Goku would fall short of Cell's true power. For all we know, Piccolo has detected some of Gotenks' hidden depths and mistakenly attributed it to his base form, rather than his Super Saiyan forms. I'd personally take that explanation over Gotenks somehow getting 50+ times stronger by training in 30 minute sessions with hour breaks in between for a week.
All of this and there's also the fact that Daizenshuu 7 says Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta after his training in the RoSaT.

There's also another guide that says Fusion Dance is A + B (Instead of Portara's A X B) so it kinda fits that the boost isn't that big.

I also want to reduce the numbers as much as possible because of Super since base Goku/Vegeta > SS3 Gotenks.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:19 am

ZombieVito wrote:All of this and there's also the fact that Daizenshuu 7 says Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta after his training in the RoSaT.

There's also another guide that says Fusion Dance is A + B (Instead of Portara's A X B) so it kinda fits that the boost isn't that big.

I also want to reduce the numbers as much as possible because of Super since base Goku/Vegeta > SS3 Gotenks.
Do you know which guide says that Fusion is A + B? Because most sources I'm aware of say the opposite.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:37 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:All of this and there's also the fact that Daizenshuu 7 says Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta after his training in the RoSaT.

There's also another guide that says Fusion Dance is A + B (Instead of Portara's A X B) so it kinda fits that the boost isn't that big.

I also want to reduce the numbers as much as possible because of Super since base Goku/Vegeta > SS3 Gotenks.
Do you know which guide says that Fusion is A + B? Because most sources I'm aware of say the opposite.
Super Exciting guide I believe.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:46 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:The only person who ever said anything that would indicate that pre-RoSaT Gotenks is stronger than Goku is Goku himself, who (A) was downplaying his own strength at the time, and (B) never actually laid eyes on Gotenks when he made that statement since Gotenks didn't even exist at the time. When Gotenks actually does show up, everyone says he's really strong, but nobody actually confirms that he's as strong as Goku made him out to be. Piccolo himself seems doubtful, and he even ask to spar with Gotenks to see if he's really up to snuff.
A isn't possible because Goku knows how strong he is. He just lied to Piccolo about being able to beat Boo, what doesn't need to mean Goku held back power, especially when it's unlikely he could with so little control in the form.
B isn't possible either. Goku had knowledge on the fusion and make a guess saying he was sure of it. Piccolo never seemed doubtful nor he asked to spar, he just gave the ok to Gotenks' power and asked to see his speed to see if Gotenks' speed was on pair with his strength. It ended that it was, with Gotenks' utterly outclassing Piccolo and then saying he was going to beat Boo based on how fast he is:

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P9.3-8
Context: Piccolo finally catches up to Gotenks
Gotenks: “You’re slow. So you finally got here? Besides circling around the Earth several times, I even took a little afternoon nap. [ ] Fuffuffuh…So you can’t tell just from my speed just now? My super-duper incredible power…! …Which is to say that the test is over, and I’m going to go take care of that annoying Majin Boo right away…

In regards to the Room of Spirit and Time stuff, plenty of the characters have displayed the ability to know when a character is holding back, and sometimes even by how much. Ginyu makes a pretty accurate guess as to Goku's non-Kaioken full power, despite not knowing how to sense ki. Kuririn and Karin could both tell that Perfect Cell was holding back by a lot, and Karin accurately predicted that Goku would fall short of Cell's true power. For all we know, Piccolo has detected some of Gotenks' hidden depths and mistakenly attributed it to his base form, rather than his Super Saiyan forms. I'd personally take that explanation over Gotenks somehow getting 50+ times stronger by training in 30 minute sessions with hour breaks in between for a week.
There's a clear difference between the latent power and the true power though. Take this statement as an example:
Chapter: 302 (DBZ 108), P6.5, P7.1
Context: after Freeza reaches his third form
Kuririn: “H-he didn’t change all that much, right…!?
Vegeta: “Id-idiot! Check out his latent power…! It’s a different thing than what it was before…! What’s more, he’s regained his composure and has become calm…”
Gohan: “Th-that can’t be…The damage he received from Piccolo has gone away…”

Kuririn says Freeza didn't change much, but Vegeta says his latent power changed a lot. Had Piccolo sensed Gotenks' latent power, he'd know Gotenks is hidding something deeper and would suspect that Gotenks is able to transform.
ZombieVito wrote:All of this and there's also the fact that Daizenshuu 7 says Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta after his training in the RoSaT.

There's also another guide that says Fusion Dance is A + B (Instead of Portara's A X B) so it kinda fits that the boost isn't that big.

I also want to reduce the numbers as much as possible because of Super since base Goku/Vegeta > SS3 Gotenks.
So you're ignoring the statements because you don't want your numbers to be too big?

There's no guidebook saying Fusion Dance is addition btw. I did some research and the only thing stated about the fusion dance is on GT Perfect Files where it's stated that Gogeta is dozen of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, what definitely doesn't sound like an additive boost.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:24 pm

What statements? Goku's guess?

I'm following an official guide that was written after the fact.

Also Daniel is right about the latent power. Kuririn could feel Trunks power in SSG3 while he was in grade 2 so it can happen.

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