Desassina wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:20 pm
Hugo Boss, I won't forget your reply, but let me just comment this.
p-hyvo wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:21 am
In the manga, ssbfp is ssb x10 because of merged zamasu being 10 times stronger than a ssb, so the God x10 doesn't work neither in that case.
How do you know that merged Zamasu is 10 times stronger than SSJB? I don't remember that, but I know that SSJ Goku Black went from losing against SSJB Vegeta to topping him with SSJR, the latter and Blue most likely being less than full power. Then, with Vegeta closer to him with SSJG, both his full power hits and Goku's complete SSJB were able to match merged Zamasu. I would put them like this:
Super Saiyan 2 Trunks = 312.5
God-like SSJ Goku Black = 400
Super Saiyan God Vegeta = 500
Vanilla SSJ Blue Vegeta = 1'000
Super Saiyan Rosé Black = 2'500
Complete SSJ Blue Goku = 5'000
Merged Zamasu = 10'000
Vanilla SSJB Vegetto = 50'000
I decided to keep the characters within range of each other with 2 or 5 times the power level so that they could fight and change forms. Note: vanilla SSJB is within a range when it could be lower or higher.
Toriyama said that merged zamasu is 10 times stronger than a ssb in an interview.
Initially, he wanted him to be twice as strong as he is in the anime, but toyotaro changed the thing making merged zamasu 10 times stronger than a ssb in the manga.
Also, base vegetto in the manga is able to chop off one of m.zamasu's arms, surprising him and making him think that vegetto is another transformation from Goku.
That makes base vegetto (manga)> ssb Goku by a good amount, let's say that base vegetto is ssb x2 in the dbs manga.
Also, regaining black Goku , the manga is like this :
Base black Goku >ssj3 Goku, also his base is a sort of beyond God but weaker cause he isn't used to the body
Then, black Goku adapts and unlocks ssj, that is intact a ssj chou (same form that Goku used against bit in the manga and against beerus in the anime)
Ssj chou vegeta beats up ssj chou black Goku
Black Goku gets a zenkai, making him able to fight on par with ssb vegeta
Vegeta goes back in time and trains : now, his ssg is in par with black's rosè state
Goku didn't train, so by logic he should be a lot weaker than vegeta. Anyway, toyotaro is a terrible writer and Goku is magically as strong as vegeta against merged zamasu
If I have to scale, i'd say :
Goku = vegeta 1
Ssj chou 2'000'000
Mirai trunks 1,05
Black Goku, initial 640
Black Goku, full power beyond God 32'000
Black Goku, ssj chou 1'600'000
Black Goku, rosè 192'000'000
Vegeta , trained 50
Merged zamasu 10'000'000'000
Enraged, against Goku 12'500'000'000
Ssb 40'000'000'000'000'000 (yes, vegetto is a fucking monster)
Goku, zenkai 60