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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun May 15, 2016 3:51 pm

LightBing wrote:
Analytic wrote:Snip
I guess there was a misunderstanding, happy that it's cleared up.

I find Bulma unreliable because she can't sense ki, the manga always presents those without the ability as doubtful, mostly incompetent. We just have to look at Freeza's army, many seasonable fighters with ki control themselves, who had no idea how strong someone was without a scouter.

If I said Trunks might not have powered significantly, I would be an hypocrite this is Dragon Ball after all. But that isn't my argument. I believe the last time Trunks fought the Androids was right before going into the past, like we saw in Trunks Story. Which would make him on par with an individual future Android when he met Goku.
I say this because the way Trunks Story developed, him fighting the Androids again would be contradictory. He was a stubborn kid, only at the end after barely surviving the Androids does he decide to hear his mother and place his faith into Goku.
Why would he risk death in those 8 months? It makes no sense. This is highlighted in the Android Arc by his very careful nature, he doesn't take any risks while facing the Androids. Always wanting to wait for Goku.

We don't actually know Trunks expectations of Goku, it doesn't have to be related to himself or Gohan's power. I actually think it's related to Freeza, the measuring tool of that mini-arc. It's very much in the air.
As far as how Trunks matches up to his version of the Androids, there is a bit of back-and-forth here. First, in the Trunks mini-arc, he says that even one-on-one, he can barely escape with his life. Then, 3 years later, he says that he can fight fairly well against the future ones. Then, when we get the Trunks History chapter, when he's in the hospital, he says the gap between them is still pretty large. So either Toriyama isn't sure himself and he's just going back and forth on the issue (which, knowing Toriyama, is a valid stance to take), or Trunks did fight them again after he had gotten stronger. As careful as Trunks is, do you really think he'd turn a blind eye if someone was in need? Do you really, truly believe that he would just ignore it. I'm with you in that Trunks wouldn't actively pick a fight with the Androids in the hopes of taking them down, but I'm sure if someone was in danger form the Androids, and Trunks was nearby, he wouldn't just look the other direction while they went on a slaughter spree. He would put himself at risk in order to give the innocent bystanders enough time to get to safety and retreat after they were out of harms way.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun May 15, 2016 5:20 pm

DanielSSJ wrote: As far as how Trunks matches up to his version of the Androids, there is a bit of back-and-forth here. First, in the Trunks mini-arc, he says that even one-on-one, he can barely escape with his life. Then, 3 years later, he says that he can fight fairly well against the future ones. Then, when we get the Trunks History chapter, when he's in the hospital, he says the gap between them is still pretty large. So either Toriyama isn't sure himself and he's just going back and forth on the issue (which, knowing Toriyama, is a valid stance to take), or Trunks did fight them again after he had gotten stronger. As careful as Trunks is, do you really think he'd turn a blind eye if someone was in need? Do you really, truly believe that he would just ignore it. I'm with you in that Trunks wouldn't actively pick a fight with the Androids in the hopes of taking them down, but I'm sure if someone was in danger form the Androids, and Trunks was nearby, he wouldn't just look the other direction while they went on a slaughter spree. He would put himself at risk in order to give the innocent bystanders enough time to get to safety and retreat after they were out of harms way.
It's very well possible Mr.Toriyama wasn't sure. Those quotes can all be bend to be consistent with one another, he can still be on pair and barely escape. The androids gimmicky is infinite power, if one's in the vicinity of their level and can't do the job quickly, you're done. When he says the gap is still pretty large, we can say he's mentioning them in plural.

That scenario is possible but very unlikely, Trunks should have passed 3 years(after Gohan's death) avoiding the Androids and likewise ignoring the victims. Even if he faced them would he survive again? The Future Androids were ruthless. I don't believe they would allow Trunks to survive a second time, much less if he showed improvement which might put them at risk in the future.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon May 16, 2016 2:39 am

LightBing wrote:
DanielSSJ wrote: As far as how Trunks matches up to his version of the Androids, there is a bit of back-and-forth here. First, in the Trunks mini-arc, he says that even one-on-one, he can barely escape with his life. Then, 3 years later, he says that he can fight fairly well against the future ones. Then, when we get the Trunks History chapter, when he's in the hospital, he says the gap between them is still pretty large. So either Toriyama isn't sure himself and he's just going back and forth on the issue (which, knowing Toriyama, is a valid stance to take), or Trunks did fight them again after he had gotten stronger. As careful as Trunks is, do you really think he'd turn a blind eye if someone was in need? Do you really, truly believe that he would just ignore it. I'm with you in that Trunks wouldn't actively pick a fight with the Androids in the hopes of taking them down, but I'm sure if someone was in danger form the Androids, and Trunks was nearby, he wouldn't just look the other direction while they went on a slaughter spree. He would put himself at risk in order to give the innocent bystanders enough time to get to safety and retreat after they were out of harms way.
It's very well possible Mr.Toriyama wasn't sure. Those quotes can all be bend to be consistent with one another, he can still be on pair and barely escape. The androids gimmicky is infinite power, if one's in the vicinity of their level and can't do the job quickly, you're done. When he says the gap is still pretty large, we can say he's mentioning them in plural.

That scenario is possible but very unlikely, Trunks should have passed 3 years(after Gohan's death) avoiding the Androids and likewise ignoring the victims. Even if he faced them would he survive again? The Future Androids were ruthless. I don't believe they would allow Trunks to survive a second time, much less if he showed improvement which might put them at risk in the future.
I think Trunks' newfound strength would be less noticeable if he was fighting defensively rather than offensively. Anyway, the Androids would probably be a little hesitant to get rid of their favorite plaything. Anyway, I don't think that Trunk would actively be on the lookout for the Androids, but if he was training in some random wasteland and suddenly heard a bunch of explosions and screaming from a nearby city, like in the History of Trunks chapter, I don't think he'd just shove his fingers in his ears and go "lalalala." I seriously don't think his conscious would let him. Of course, I'm making up a hypothetical situation that may or may not have happened.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Khin » Mon May 16, 2016 7:17 am

About Trunks' placement, you can put him as not much weaker than the Future Androids individually without making him way above Yardrat Goku or Future Gohan, something like this.

Future Trunks: 3.5
-- Super Saiyan: 175

Yardrat Goku: 3.5
-- Super Saiyan: 175

Future Android #17: 225 - 250
Future Android #18: 200

Future Gohan : 3.2
-- Super Saiyan: 160



Trunks and Bulma's initial plan was to bring Goku along with Trunks to the Future to fight the Androids together. They may not be able to beat them, but they should at least put up a good fight against them.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu May 19, 2016 2:34 am

After a long thought, I've finally decided to do a proper power level list for super.

Initial considerations:

Beerus' power level could be incorrect, because, well, just because.
It includes both manga and anime, considering both of them, no ridiculous two base theory.

Some inconsistencies will be ignored.

Multipliers:

- Super saiyan = 25x base
- Super Saiyan (mastered) = 50x base
- x10 Kaioken = 10x power level


Quick references:
Namek Freeza (healthy, 100%) = 120,000,000

Perfect cell (full power) = 1,200,000,000

Kid buu (serious) = 12,000,000,000

Buuhan = 45,000,000,000

SS vegetto = 200,000,000,000
Battle of gods arc:

Piccolo (weights) = 700,000,000
Gohan = 25,000,000,000 (FP)
Gotenks = 7,000,000,000 (SS) , 21,000,000,000 (SS3)
SS3 goku = 28,000,000,000
SS2 Vegeta = 7,000,000,000 , Enraged = 140,000,000,000 , Galick gun = 160,000,000,000
Fat buu = 5,600,000,000
Beerus (suppresed) = 65,000,000,000 , goku's expectation = 300,000,000,000 , power up = 940,000,000,000
Goku (everyone's ki) = 200,000,000,000
SSG Goku = 1,000,000,000,000 (initial) , 4,500,000,000,000 (FP)
Beerus (powered up) = 5,000,000,000,000
SS Goku = 4,400,000,000,000 (Drawing out SSG powers) , base = 20,000,000,000
Base goku (punching the ki ball) = 4,500,000,000,000

Freeza arc
Vegeta (goku's arrival) = 20,000,000,000

Piccolo (weights) = 700,000,000
Tagoma = 1,800,000,000
Ginyu = 2,000,000,000
SS Gotenks = 7,000,000,000
Gohan = 240,000,000 , SS Gohan = 6,000,000,000 , Ki decreased = 4,000,000,000
Freeza = 6,000,000,000 (Manageable for buu & Gohan or gotenks alone)
Final form freeza = 35,000,000,000 = Base goku / vegeta

Golden freeza = 8,000,000,000,000 , tired = 3,000,000,000,000
SSB = 7,000,000,000,000

Universe 6 tournament arc:

Piccolo = 3,000,000,000 , Makankosappo = 60,000,000,000
Base Goku = Vegeta = Cabba = 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Cabba = 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan vegeta = 2,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue = 8,000,000,000,000

Frost = 10,000,000,000 , Assault form = 36,000,000,000 , Final form = 70,000,000,000 , Tired = 45,000,000,000
(NOTE: Frost stated that he won't hold back against vegeta, which makes me believe he was holding back against piccolo)
Hit = 4,000,000,000,000 (Heavily suppressed)
Hit = 9,000,000,000,000 (initial, suppressed) , 18,000,000,000,000 (improved) , 23,000,000,000,000 (Improved again) , 28,000,000,000,000 (Fully improved)

SSB Goku Kaioken x10 = 80,000,000,000,000 (Initial) , 55,000,000,000,000 (After Kamehameha) , 40,000,000,000,000 (Tired against hit, just before give up)

Gods of destruction:
Beerus = 9,400,000,000,000 (regular power) , 200,000,000,000,000 (True power of god of destruction)
Champa = 8,000,000,000,000 (regular power) , 180,000,000,000,000 (True power of god of destruction)

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Khin » Thu May 19, 2016 3:18 am

Okay, I made a new Battle Power list, this time, it ignores the SEG Multipliers or Daizenshuu Battle Powers. Though its still not finished.

Notes
  • This list ignores some official Battle Powers.
  • This list also ignores SEG's Super Saiyan Multipliers.
  • Considering how inconsistent the Potara Fusion is, i how no multiplier for it.
  • I only follow the Daizenshuu or any guidebooks if they don't contradict anything and i felt like it.
Super Saiyan Multipliers
  • Untrained Super Saiyan — 50x Base
  • Super Saiyan Grade II — Undecided
  • Super Saiyan Grade III — Undecided
  • Full Power Super Saiyan — Undecided
  • Super Saiyan 2 — Undecided
  • Super Saiyan 3 — Undecided
Fusion Formula
  • Namekian Fusion — A x 5 (This doesn't apply to Kami x Piccolo fusion)
  • Metamorian Fusion — Undecided
  • Potara Fusion — None
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by xmysticgohanx » Thu May 19, 2016 2:55 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
Did a quick skim through.

SSJ Goku (everyone's ki) >>> SSJ3 or SSJ Vegetto
Why is base Goku (punching ki ball) >>>>> base Goku?
base Gohan >>> RoF Piccolo
first form Freeza should be higher relative to SSJ Gohan
U6 arc Piccolo is way, way too low
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu May 19, 2016 5:32 pm

BoG, FnF and Champa Arc Power Levels.


Battle of Gods

Resurrection F

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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu May 19, 2016 6:03 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:BoG, FnF and Champa Arc Power Levels.


Battle of Gods

Resurrection F

Champa Arc

In what world is Hit weaker than SSJB x10 KK Goku? Hit was able to withstand the SSJB x10 KK onslaught that Goku unleashed on him, and all it did was fatigue him slightly. And Hit still wasn't going on all out.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Thu May 19, 2016 6:29 pm

Khin wrote:Future Android #17 — 225,000
-- Less than half power — 100,000

Future Android #18 — 200,000
I think you're missing some zeroes there.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Fri May 20, 2016 3:57 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
Did a quick skim through.

SSJ Goku (everyone's ki) >>> SSJ3 or SSJ Vegetto
Why is base Goku (punching ki ball) >>>>> base Goku?
base Gohan >>> RoF Piccolo
first form Freeza should be higher relative to SSJ Gohan
U6 arc Piccolo is way, way too low
Why should Goku (everyone's ki) be above SS3 vegetto? Anyways, I'll have no problem bumping him upto like 400 billion or so.

He was drawing out the powers of SSG during the entire fight, the same powers which he absorbed during the fight. In SS form, he was drawing like over 90% of SSG power, but that wasn't enough to punch away that ki ball. However, while he punched the ball in base, I see it as a moment where he draws 100% of SSG in one shot and fainting from the consequence.

I don't think base gohan should be above piccolo. The only "hint" is tagoma moving from an off-guard ki blast of gohan, and not moving from piccolo's punch. But that can be explained from it being off-guard hit.
Piccolo volunteered to fight tagoma after hearing he's as strong as gohan's current best.

I thought a lot about it , and what I realized is, there was not a single word about 1st F being above fat buu / Gotenks etc, and the opposite is implied. However, it is HEAVILY implied that gohan can't maintain his super saiyan power for long. So, after two-shotting ginyu, his power decreased heavily, from being near equal to first form freeza to being fodder to him.
However, I can decrease gohan (post drain) even further.

This is probably the highest I can see him WITHOUT a single comment about powering up. At best, I can put him up to 4 billion or 5 billion. It is heavily implied that he is well below even base saiyans.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Khin » Sun May 22, 2016 7:12 am

DanielSSJ wrote:
Khin wrote:Future Android #17 — 225,000
-- Less than half power — 100,000

Future Android #18 — 200,000
I think you're missing some zeroes there.
Oops, i fixed it.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 22, 2016 7:47 am

How strong are those failed fusions of Gotenks?

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Post by DanielSSJ » Sun May 22, 2016 3:27 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:How strong are those failed fusions of Gotenks?
Dunno. Probably weaker than the earthlings. Even Chaozu.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun May 22, 2016 5:02 pm

Let's discuss Super Boo. If one goes by the logic that SSJ Gotenks was at the very least in the same realm as Majin Boo. Then how did Super Boo obtained the power to compete with an even stronger Gotenks at SSJ3?
Isn't an immense gain when he just absorbed Mr.Boo?

I'm struggling with this. I would appreciate to hear some opinions, with the numbers to paint the picture.

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Post by Hugo Boss » Sun May 22, 2016 5:19 pm

I think Majin Boo became twice as strong as his other self and Gotenks became as powerful as him. For example, if Majin Boo and Gotenks are at 10, they both power-up to 20.

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LightBing wrote:Let's discuss Super Boo. If one goes by the logic that SSJ Gotenks was at the very least in the same realm as Majin Boo. Then how did Super Boo obtained the power to compete with an even stronger Gotenks at SSJ3?
Isn't an immense gain when he just absorbed Mr.Boo?

I'm struggling with this. I would appreciate to hear some opinions, with the numbers to paint the picture.
When Pure Boo absorbed the Kaioshin of the South, he became much stronger, stronger than Evil/Super Boo. When he absorbed Dai Kaioshin however & became Fat, his power was heavily suppressed due to Dai Kaioshin's gentle heart, and he became weaker than Pure Boo. But after Fat Boo gave birth to Pure Evil Boo & then got absorbed, a lot of his suppressed power (but not all of it) got released since he became more evil than he was before.

The Kaioshin of the South was the strongest of the Kaioshin, yet he couldn't lift the Z-Sword (unless if you want to assume that the strongest of the current Kaioshin didn't try to lift the legendary sword that numerous other Kaioshin failed to lift...), so he was weaker than Gohan, meaning that his power wasn't just added to Boo's power like it normally happened (like with Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan), it got amplified. Kaioshin's & Kibito's energies couldn't be used for Majin Boo's revival, so seeing that & the abnormal effects that Kaioshin of the South & Dai Kaioshin caused to Boo (the first one made him more powerful than he should have been, and the second made him weaker than he was originally), it appears that god ki can have weird effects on Majin Boo, which explains why Babidi didn't want to use energy from Kaioshin & Kibito.

That's how I see it at least.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by LightBing » Sun May 22, 2016 8:42 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:I think Majin Boo became twice as strong as his other self and Gotenks became as powerful as him. For example, if Majin Boo and Gotenks are at 10, they both power-up to 20.
So you ignore the guidebook numbers for SSJ3? Or did you had Gotenks really weak before RoSaT? Or simply, whatever fits the plot?
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When Pure Boo absorbed the Kaioshin of the South, he became much stronger, stronger than Evil/Super Boo. When he absorbed Dai Kaioshin however & became Fat, his power was heavily suppressed due to Dai Kaioshin's gentle heart, and he became weaker than Pure Boo. But after Fat Boo gave birth to Pure Evil Boo & then got absorbed, a lot of his suppressed power (but not all of it) got released since he became more evil than he was before.

The Kaioshin of the South was the strongest of the Kaioshin, yet he couldn't lift the Z-Sword (unless if you want to assume that the strongest of the current Kaioshin didn't try to lift the legendary sword that numerous other Kaioshin failed to lift...), so he was weaker than Gohan, meaning that his power wasn't just added to Boo's power like it normally happened (like with Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan), it got amplified. Kaioshin's & Kibito's energies couldn't be used for Majin Boo's revival, so seeing that & the abnormal effects that Kaioshin of the South & Dai Kaioshin caused to Boo (the first one made him more powerful than he should have been, and the second made him weaker than he was originally), it appears that god ki can have weird effects on Majin Boo, which explains why Babidi didn't want to use energy from Kaioshin & Kibito.

That's how I see it at least.
This seems too contrived to me.
The only weird influence was Dai Kaioshin, we got an explanation for what happened with him and Boo. If South Kaioshin also had an unusual effect, I think they would have told us about it. Especially since it's present in the same monologue as the Dai Kaioshin. We're supposed to take it as a regular absorption like the others.
I really think the Z-Sword is kinda of a plot hole, although I think South Kaioshin simply didn't try it before he died as my own in-universe explanation. Out of universe, Mr.Toriyama forgot about it.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun May 22, 2016 9:14 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When Pure Boo absorbed the Kaioshin of the South, he became much stronger, stronger than Evil/Super Boo. When he absorbed Dai Kaioshin however & became Fat, his power was heavily suppressed due to Dai Kaioshin's gentle heart, and he became weaker than Pure Boo. But after Fat Boo gave birth to Pure Evil Boo & then got absorbed, a lot of his suppressed power (but not all of it) got released since he became more evil than he was before.

The Kaioshin of the South was the strongest of the Kaioshin, yet he couldn't lift the Z-Sword (unless if you want to assume that the strongest of the current Kaioshin didn't try to lift the legendary sword that numerous other Kaioshin failed to lift...), so he was weaker than Gohan, meaning that his power wasn't just added to Boo's power like it normally happened (like with Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan), it got amplified. Kaioshin's & Kibito's energies couldn't be used for Majin Boo's revival, so seeing that & the abnormal effects that Kaioshin of the South & Dai Kaioshin caused to Boo (the first one made him more powerful than he should have been, and the second made him weaker than he was originally), it appears that god ki can have weird effects on Majin Boo, which explains why Babidi didn't want to use energy from Kaioshin & Kibito.

That's how I see it at least.
This is pretty much how I explain the weird power-ups and power-downs of Majin Boo. Boo-on-Kaioshin absorbtions are strange and wonky, and it doesn't seem to work quite like it does when he absorbs other characters. For example, Evil Boo + Gotenks/Piccolo/Gohan/whatever is still primarily Evil Boo, just with some extra physical and personality traits. On the other hand, Fat Boo is almost completely different from Pure Boo. Whenever Boo absorbs the Kaioshin, they seem to affect him on a more fundamental level. Perhaps this is because their godly presence. Whatever the reason, I treat Boo-on-Kaioshin absorptions like fusions rather than a simple absorption, if that makes any sense. I do think this is sort of supported by how Bobbidi says that they can't use the eastern Kaioshin's or Kibito's energy to revive Boo

Like you said, when Pure Boo absorbs the Southern Kaioshin, he gained a burly physique that is designed for battle, and a massive power boost on top of it, despite the fact that none of the Kaioshin should've been anywhere near as strong as Boo. Absorbing the plump and gentle Kaioshin weakened Boo, sealing off much of that power. Whether it is due to the Kaioshin's fat body,which is unsuited for fighting, or that his incorruptible pureness didn't mesh well with Boo, or both is up to you. After the fat Majin Boo splits in two and recombines with evil a the forefront, the rearrangement of his psyche allows him access to a much larger portion of the strength he gained by absorbing the Southern Kaioshin.:

Seeing how I follow the SEG's Super Saiyan power boosts, this is generally how I deal with Boo's forms, power wise:

Pure Boo - 32 billion

Buff Boo - 160 billion

Innocent Boo - 16 billion

Mr. Boo - 6 billion

Pure Evil Boo - 10 billion

Evil Boo - 120 billion
+ Gotenks - 240 billion
+ Gohan Boo - 300 billion
LightBing wrote: This seems too contrived to me.
The only weird influence was Dai Kaioshin, we got an explanation for what happened with him and Boo. If South Kaioshin also had an unusual effect, I think they would have told us about it. Especially since it's present in the same monologue as the Dai Kaioshin. We're supposed to take it as a regular absorption like the others.
I really think the Z-Sword is kinda of a plot hole, although I think South Kaioshin simply didn't try it before he died as my own in-universe explanation. Out of universe, Mr. Toriyama forgot about it.
Eh, to each his own, I guess. I figure that Boo's absorption of South Kaioshin was glossed over since due to Buff Boo's blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance, and that the focus of that particular scene was Boo's metamorphosis into his original form. Toriyama doesn't often do a lot of explaining, other than "This new form is a lot stronger than the last one" or "Oh, now he's weaker than before", so I figured it was left to the fans to try and come up with their own explanations to rationalize what happened. They don't really try to explain why Grand Kaioshin's presence inside of Boo caused his power to regress, now that I think about it.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TekTheNinja » Mon May 23, 2016 10:57 am

Not sure if this is the right place to mention this, but I wanted to bring up the hypothetical power of, *drum roll*

...Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X10 Great Ape Vegito!!!

If that still can't beat beerus, I dunno what can. :lol:
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