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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:21 am

Update and video time...

So after making one last pass through the Universe 6 episodes, I've pretty much topped off the bulk of my edits and selected OST changes. While there's no other big cut like the Vegeta/Margetta one I mentioned (Which equates to about half an episode), a couple of key moments will certainly be "different," shall we say. I was almost tempted to put up a couple clips, but I'd prefer keeping my cards close for now till the episodes are actually releasable. But I'd say the each episode has maybe about 2-3 minutes cut, which all comes down to filler both big and small. In terms of tracks, while I didn't go hogwild replacing things left and right, I'd say I replaced things that made sense to replace (where the loss of sound effects isn't outweighed by the music choice).

Namely, this embarrassing POS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KIZjl-G6c (seriously, how can Sumitomo be God-tier with orchestra/choir, but so bad with instrustments?)

and "Incident Breaks Out," which isn't really a bad track per say (I rather dig it for Goku/Zamasu's first fight), but it's quite underwhelming for serious fights.

So, with all the serious lifting out the way now, it's just a matter of polish, so the next couple of weeks should be interesting if you're paying attention to this thread, hehe.

On another note, as a breather from all my time spent working on Super this week, I did a bit of a test today for "Faulconer 2.0" using one of coycoy88's full episode rips from the Z blu-rays, and the results were pretty damn stellar, I think. Having access to all the original music cues for the episode/scene makes things so much easier than trying to recreate and stitch tracks together from pure scratch I wasn't really all that happy with my attempt of Faulconer for Episode 126, but utilizing the full episode rips may have renewed my faith (and interest) to keep plugging along at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoRIf75AZJo

Oh, and also--because I guess I have to keep mentioning this every now and then--the reason Funimation is the only audio being used over the Japanese or other versions is, quite simply, because it's the only option on the table because of the 5.1 surround that enables the center audio track which doesn't contain music on it. They're the only company who mix their Dragon Ball audio that way, and it doesn't seem like that's ever going to change...for whatever reason. So a "Kai" cut of Super, be it Japanese, or any other foreign dub, would be a slave to Super's music placements, and isn't going to be able to cut out the kinds of things I can with the Ultra Instinct Cut here. So it's not a choice or preference--it's just the only game in town, more or less.
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Post by TheAldella » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:26 am

Hmmm. Can you add a sound effect when Vegeta knocks out Frost? There's no impact at all. He just gets sent away by the act of Vegeta existing.
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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:06 am

Episode 11 is released ^_^

Before I move onto 12, it occurred to me that it might be a good idea to provide a silent track for the episodes in case anyone wants to use UIC as a base for a Kikuchi or Faulconer or whatever-the-hell version in the future. Unfortunately I kinda deleted a lot of the center channel audio I didn't need, so I kinda have to repiece it together and bridge the gaps. Ugh, wish I had thought of it sooner!

Adding a sound effect to that Frost bit might not be a bad idea. I had actually decided to reverse the edit since I posted that video as I wasn't quite happy with it (even though I don't exactly like the drawn out nature of the hit). Anyway, I"ll give it a shot when I get back to it, and see if I can make it work or just undo it completely. (It just seemed more of a gag with the quicker edit)
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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:14 pm

Given I've had to take a small break at-the-moment to make a recovery drive for Windows since my computer is randomly glitching out on me this evening (don't think it's anything serious, but just taking a precaution), I figured now would be a good time to chime in...

Episode 12 and 13 are out. 14-15 should be following shortly over the next couple of days, and so on. Retroactively making the silent tracks combined with making more last-minute music replacements for 14 and 15 (mainly Frost related), has put me a little behind schedule. Episode 13 wasn't going to have an edit outside replacing a couple shots in the recap and preview, but I then stumbled across Chi-Chi's space picnic line and realized I'd (already) forgotten about that filler. Thankfully, it didn't turn out to be a headache to cut.

Once Universe 6 is finished with Episode 21, I'll be planning on "taking inventory," shall we say, and work on finishing up the tidbits of various episodes I've started or never quite finished for release, namely the first 4 episodes of TFC for Yamamoto/Sumitomo and Kikuchi. Though I'll probably finish up Faulconer for Kai 65 first and foremost. Outside that, I'll work on revising Ep 1-3 and 22-24 of Ultra Instinct Cut, as well as finishing out the movie arcs themselves.

One last thing I suppose I should mention--given the recent HD remastered releases from Toei of all the old Dragon Ball movies...it makes me wonder if a true HD version of the series might be happening sometime down the line. If it looks as amazing as the movie releases and Funi's criminally short-lived Level sets, it might be seriously tempting to explore replacing all of Kai's footage with that vintage grainy goodness...though preferably with the help of someone as I'm not sure I'm expertly skilled in syncing footage without audio cues to go on.

The main reason I'm mentioning this is because, since it's a possibility, I think my "Manga" cut of Kai will be on the permanent backburner for the foreseeable future. Not that it wasn't already, since I have to complete each audio track for the Kai episodes themselves before editing down, but since I'm not a fan of unnecessary work, it'd be much more preferable to craft out a resynch of Kai to the new potential footage before delving into a manga version editing-wise.

Just a fun thought anyway!
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Post by TheAldella » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:39 am

Since you're revising your movie edits, are you planning on replacing some CGI portions with some of the better hand-drawn sequences from the TV anime, like this one?

https://imgur.com/gallery/yDUlxlf

or this?

https://imgur.com/gallery/XQBMrjQ

Just a thought for those who've seen the films and didn't take to some of the CGI.
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Post by The Galactic Tyrant » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:04 pm

Where are the first 10 Epsidoes of Ultra Instinct Cut? i can only see 11-14. (Nevermind just saw that you are reworking them)
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Post by TheAldella » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:21 pm

Yo. A+ on the revised Vegeta vs Frost. Perfect. Exactly how it should've been.
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Post by Hobby Bill » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:20 pm

saiyanprimalforce wrote:
On another note, as a breather from all my time spent working on Super this week, I did a bit of a test today for "Faulconer 2.0" using one of coycoy88's full episode rips from the Z blu-rays, and the results were pretty damn stellar, I think. Having access to all the original music cues for the episode/scene makes things so much easier than trying to recreate and stitch tracks together from pure scratch I wasn't really all that happy with my attempt of Faulconer for Episode 126, but utilizing the full episode rips may have renewed my faith (and interest) to keep plugging along at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoRIf75AZJo
So I compared this clip of your current Faulconer project to your older one, and although this one is technically more authentic, I personally much prefer the older iteration with Android 18's vocal theme. I understand that this just an example and other aspects of the project are going to benefit tremendously because of coycoy's rips. But on the off chance that you lose some cool interesting placements here or there, would you be willing to create "alt" episodes with minor track changes? Something similar to what was done for the Yamamoto Revival Project? You know just to preserve what really worked well in the older project.

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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:51 pm

Episodes 19-21 are now available, thus completing the GoD Tournament arc!

Goku vs Hit: https://youtu.be/1wsktmHgorQ

Blue Kaioken: https://youtu.be/2KtTC27k924

MY TIME-SKIP HAS ADVANCED SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME ANYMORE!: https://youtu.be/xwTyLMHVS90

Sorry about the delay. Had to reapply the episode title for Preview 20 because it was featured with footage I cut from 20. :/

The edits for 19 and 20 are definitely the most significant I made for the tourney, and rightly so, I suppose. The final exchange between Goku and Hit is god-awful in the anime, so I streamlined the scene in a way that made the most sense to me, which ended up becoming an unintentional nod to the manga, if anything.

Hope everyone enjoys the cuts so far. Now, onward to Goku Black!

PS: Hobby Bill--I plan on keeping all the Scott Morgan insert songs I used and the like that were in my original Faulconer versions. Just wasn't really happy with The Android 18 inserts for 65. Didn't really feel like they worked, and the original edits are sloppy as hell and stand out too much for my taste these days. I'll think about playing with it a little more though to see if I can't get something that'll work for one or both of those Android 18 songs. So, we'll see.
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Post by TheAldella » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:21 pm

Are you gonna do the Black arc before upping the first two arcs? Huh.
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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:12 am

Some Kai UIE updates...

Episode 126 Fused Yamatomo: https://youtu.be/a_DJRwMLRBU

Episode 126 Kikuchi Z: https://youtu.be/iZr3zAB67hk

Episode 65 Faulconer Productions 2.0: https://youtu.be/Qa7QFAcXjgM

Episode 159 "Circle Of Heroes" by Scott Morgan Insert: https://www.facebook.com/sunfiresarah/v ... 937816337/

Right before I finished Episode 65, I discovered I had my volumes level lower than usual on the center channel audio track for some strange reason (I have no idea why). Anywho, I'll probably fix it relatively soon--probably when I get around to doing the Yamamoto and Kikuchi versions. There's nothing wrong with the track as is--I just like consistency.

I should have Episode 99 for all three versions out soon. Right now I'm trying to work on setting up Adobe Premiere project files for every Kai episode (after rearranging the pathway locations for my files and whatnot) so I can kinda work on things in more of a free-flow manner than before. Once I get that done, I'll jump back to UIC for Super, which, I know is kind of a incomplete mess atm, but I'm waiting till I can get the episode titles I need for the previews for Episodes 5-10 so I can render them out (they're pretty much done though). Also have to redo the video encodes Episodes 11-15 since the file sizes ended up bigger than the latter batch after I figured out the optimal settings.

PS: As for your question, Hobby Bill--I'm no fan of how Goku's Black arc ended in the anime either, but since the last couple of episodes weren't on the Part 5 set, I'll have to wait till the next set's release before I can make a clearer judgement. But yeah, I plan on trying to minimize as much of the nonsense as feasibly possible. Tentatively speaking, in my current draft I already cut out the clone Goku Black's caused by the rift (though not Black making the rift itself). On one hand it makes it a bit odd that Zamasu just shows up to confront Trunks and Mai when he was just fighting Goku...but on the other hand, it's just so friggin' nonsensical and stupid I'd rather just leave it out even at the risk of creating a feeling of a small plot hole. But I hate anime filler 9/10, and that's all that segment feels like.
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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:53 pm

Kikuchi 65 for Kai is up!

Clip: https://youtu.be/1r3gqc-pOxw

Comparison to MRS Original: https://youtu.be/z9ZcmcobfDg

Took a lot of work, but I feel pretty happy with the results. Much like Faulconer for 65, my original edits and placements had me less than impressed. Plus the added benefit of Diccolo-420's sound effect rips made masking the deficiencies behind the center audio track much easier (Wind sound effect MVP). Not to mention no more "DUDE, MA TRUCK!"

65 may wind up my first Triple crown of the new Kai audio. I have to readjust the Faulconer mix for the changes I made with the main audio while working on Kikuchi, but it shouldn't be too much a hurdle. Not sure what's next on the agenda, but I certainly would like to round out the audios for 65,99-102, and 126 soon, as well as get back to Super. Probably will even do another pass on 126 as far as double-checking any potential improvement to the center channel audio like I was able to do with 65 (using the Kai 1.0, or other sound effects).

Too many choices, and never enough time. Especially these days, when even one audio can take hours and hours to work on :/

Also, cooked up a new logo for UiE. Need to do one for UIC, but want to try something a little different with that.

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Post by HakkaiBills93 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:58 am

About the yamamoto project, is there a 5.1 without vocals for 96 97 98 using bgm and sfx a little like a M&E tracks somewhere?
i would like to have the bgm and sfx and combinate with some japanese accapella made with software

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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:14 pm

Episode 127 FP Release

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Post by TheAldella » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:05 am

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Post by Hobby Bill » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:17 pm

I checked out episode 4 of the UIC and it's great! Aside from the track that plays at 19:05. It's a bit too loud and it's difficult to hear the dialogue.

I also noticed you kept the Tarble mention by Bulma. It seems that Super and the movies (plus the 2008 OVA) have their own canons. Tarble was brought up only in the films and never in Super. Since the project is aiming to be a cut of Super, is that mention something you'd like to keep?

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Post by TheAldella » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:43 pm

Do you intend to keep Goku's incredibly redundant stupidity? Not having kissed Chichi and things like that
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Post by saiyanprimalforce » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:02 pm

Episodes 1-23 (BoG, RF, U6, Black), are up (though it seems some of you already noticed, lol). A couple of caveats...

Episodes 6-10 lack the Episode Preview Titles, and 4 and 19's preview titles need a small touch-up after having reviewing them. Someone of the episodes encode sizes are dramatically higher than the average despite the fact I run them through the same process. Will probably require further tinkering for the problematic ones. Otherwise, everything's done.

A third of Black is pretty much finished. Will be shooting for releasing at least an episode a week unless I run into a trouble spot.

As for comments, I'm leaning on keeping the "Goku's never kissed Chi-Chi," bit. I played around with cutting it, but it's harder to edit around than it appears at first glance (and i don't have the benefit of masking it with music, which can help with troublesome edits). That, and it ultimately doesn't really bother me that much (and seems more like a genuinely Toriyama thing since it was included in the manga).

As far as Tarble being kept in BoG...I really wasn't paying that much attention, haha. I'm fine with it as is, since my take on "cannon" is pretty simple. "If Toriyama is involved, it's cannon." Which is part of the logic of adapting the movies to replace Super's own retelling, since Toriyama personally worked on those versus the retellings. Not to mention just being miles better in every department. But yeah, I didn't see an issue.

I have to disagree with the segment mentioned in Episode 4 being loud and making it difficult to hear dialogue. I re watched that part with my headphones on and off, and could clearly hear the dialogue without a problem. Not to say the music isn't loud, but the BoG track effects are also really, REALLY loud in general. So the volume levels are generally higher than my usual work with Super or Kai. Though, if more people chime in about there being an issue with that spot, or anything else, I'll obviously reconsider re-tweaking it.

Glad everyone seems to like the movie edits! Long overdue, but putting together the recaps and previews was a tremendous task in itself, and I also wanted to have the episode previews titles done, but obviously kept putting it off. But really, since they were practically finished, I figured it was high time to put my foot down and finally get them out, and just fix the titles later when the opportunity arises.

Anyway, plan to stay on top of ToP as it's released. But as far as the cutting room floor on Black--I think, *think* I've managed to scrub Trunk's Spirit Sword from existence...

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Post by Hobby Bill » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:12 am

This may be a bit soon to ask but do you intend on cutting out Berserk Kale? The manga omits that transformation and...

Minor Broly movie spoiler:

Also, when are you releasing episode 24 of UIC? You mentioned that you were going for weekly uploads. No rush just looking forward to your edits.

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Post by TheAldella » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:02 am

I've been showing my grandma Super via your edit - we're about 3 episodes away from finishing, and I've elected to do them 1 a week. Will you have 24 up before 4 weeks from now?
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