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Re: MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 7/1/19!)

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:09 am

Gohan Doesn't Belong Here...? - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Cell Arc Part 16!

Gohan steps into the ring (that isn't there anymore) to fight Cell. I also step into a metaphorical ring to examine Gohan's role in this story up to now, as well as the events over the course of Dragon Ball that have led to this moment. Also, some robot dies.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:49 am

jesus it's been a while since i've read this portion of the arc, i forgot how ugly about to blow up cell is, lmao. anyway loved it was really looking forward too this one, loved your take on the gohan stuff.
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Post by jcogginsa » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:14 pm

Good episode overall, very insightful on all the Gohan stuff.

While I can see why you're not particularly moved about the 16 sutff, one thing that surprised me was that you didn't bing up Mr. Satan's roll in getting the head there.

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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:09 pm

It took 7 years for Goku to meet Goten and he still hugged him before Vegeta hugged Kid Trunks. Always thought that was funny.

Though Toriyama himself as criticized Goku as a father, so I guess it's just part of his character.

For me, Gohan transforming after someone dying is just a repeat of Goku going Super Saiyan in the previous arc.

P.S I still believe Toriyama brought back 2nd Form Cell to kill the main character as a fuck you to everyone who hated that form.
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Post by Scsigs » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:02 pm

I said this in a quick comment on your video, Lance, but I never really liked how Team Four Star played Gohan's turn into Super Saiyan 2; that it was him being too much of a pansy as opposed to him being pressured into doing something that has never come naturally to him. The whole message also felt weirdly political, to which KaiserNeko was even surprised for some reason when people on Twitter pointed it out after the episode dropped. Your video & your pointing out of the stupidity of the fandom in some places & the intended meaning behind the plot points reminded me of it & I just wanted to say this. Maybe get a conversation with someone else out of it.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:23 pm

jcogginsa wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:14 pm
While I can see why you're not particularly moved about the 16 sutff, one thing that surprised me was that you didn't bing up Mr. Satan's roll in getting the head there.
It is something I plan to bring up later. This script was so tightly focused on Gohan it did not flow at all to shift gears to Mr. Satan's character development, and, as I said in The Making of Dragon Ball Dissection, I never like to bring something up just for the sake of synopsis if I'm going to incorporate it into a more cohesive discussion when it's more relevant.
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Post by Mewzard » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:25 pm

Talking about 16's death in part 16 does feel appropriate.

Also, jeez, I had almost forgotten how long this whole arc is until I noticed that number. I wonder how often inconsistent moments in the arc were just down to Toriyama having forgotten something he did in the nearly two years it took to get through it.

Great video as always! And looking forward to the Movie 8 episode next. A nice little shakeup before the Cell Arc wraps.
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Post by jcogginsa » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:00 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:23 pm
jcogginsa wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:14 pm
While I can see why you're not particularly moved about the 16 sutff, one thing that surprised me was that you didn't bing up Mr. Satan's roll in getting the head there.
It is something I plan to bring up later. This script was so tightly focused on Gohan it did not flow at all to shift gears to Mr. Satan's character development, and, as I said in The Making of Dragon Ball Dissection, I never like to bring something up just for the sake of synopsis if I'm going to incorporate it into a more cohesive discussion when it's more relevant.
Fair enough, that makes a lot of sense

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:00 am

I always liked the theory that Toriyama made Cell revert to his second form to perform his most plot relevant act (killing Goku) to play a joke on his former editor who said that design looked stupid. Especially since Toriyama then makes Cell look like even more of a moron by bloating him up.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:32 am

Big thank you for affirming something I've always been saying regarding Gohan being OOC here: there's a huge difference between spontaneously flying off the handle and then being thrown out there and expected to engineer it to save everybody's lives.
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Re: MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 7/1/19!)

Post by zDBZ » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:28 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:23 pm
jcogginsa wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:14 pm
While I can see why you're not particularly moved about the 16 sutff, one thing that surprised me was that you didn't bing up Mr. Satan's roll in getting the head there.
It is something I plan to bring up later. This script was so tightly focused on Gohan it did not flow at all to shift gears to Mr. Satan's character development, and, as I said in The Making of Dragon Ball Dissection, I never like to bring something up just for the sake of synopsis if I'm going to incorporate it into a more cohesive discussion when it's more relevant.
Will there be more commentary on SSJ2 in a future episode then?

I enjoyed this one quite a bit - and agreed with far more of it than I would've guessed from the title :wink: But I do think there's one more factor in Gohan's reluctance to get involved beyond the pressure. IIRC, Gohan explicitly tells Cell that, whenever he does let loose his potential, he isn't able to control himself. To me, his attitude when mentioning that is a pretty big tell - Gohan doesn't like snapping, and is afraid to do so deliberately. With reason, going by the aftermath.

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Post by Kid Buu » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:51 am

What I find funny is Gohan not wanting to fight is the fact that he trained for it. Granted, I don't think he expected to be thrown in a the fight by Goku like that, but I under what what he was expecting.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:00 am
I always liked the theory that Toriyama made Cell revert to his second form to perform his most plot relevant act (killing Goku) to play a joke on his former editor who said that design looked stupid. Especially since Toriyama then makes Cell look like even more of a moron by bloating him up.
It's just so Toriyama-like that I would be surprised if this wasn't the case.
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