Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Oh, I thought by possession you meant mind control
There's also Uub, if you want to count him.
I said Possessed OR controlled, so Goku counts. But you are right about Oob, meaning out of everyone, only two powerful fighters have never been possessed or controlled lol
Malik_DBNA wrote:One thing I never understood is how people state that Vegeta has been full-out possessed multiple times. I mean, if you really look at, it he's only been TRULY possessed once, and that was by Baby.
When he became a Majin, he was supposed to be like Dabra, Spopovich, Pocus, and the others. Completely Evil and completely obedient to Babidi. But he never was. He allowed Babidi just enough control to grant him further power and reawaken his darkness, but he was never truly possessed. Babidi would give him an order and he basically said "STFU". Vegeta even openly admits that he plotted and allowed Babidi into his mind willingly just to awaken his power. Multiple times in the manga, Babidi attempted to wrestle full control from Vegeta, but Vegeta refused to allow Babidi to completely control him. You could equate it to putting a leash on a rhino. Just because you have it on a leash does not mean you control it.
Baby on the other hand, completely possessed Vegeta. Vegeta fought him off as much as possible, but in the end he becomes completely enslaved to Baby's will. THAT is possession.
Between DBZ and DBGT (movies and filler excluded) the only fighter who has never been controlled or possessed has been Piccolo.
Vegeta getting possessed still was done before, so we really don't need more of it.
You should come up with some different saga to replace this Aladjinn one.
Malik_DBNA wrote:One thing I never understood is how people state that Vegeta has been full-out possessed multiple times. I mean, if you really look at, it he's only been TRULY possessed once, and that was by Baby.
When he became a Majin, he was supposed to be like Dabra, Spopovich, Pocus, and the others. Completely Evil and completely obedient to Babidi. But he never was. He allowed Babidi just enough control to grant him further power and reawaken his darkness, but he was never truly possessed. Babidi would give him an order and he basically said "STFU". Vegeta even openly admits that he plotted and allowed Babidi into his mind willingly just to awaken his power. Multiple times in the manga, Babidi attempted to wrestle full control from Vegeta, but Vegeta refused to allow Babidi to completely control him. You could equate it to putting a leash on a rhino. Just because you have it on a leash does not mean you control it.
Baby on the other hand, completely possessed Vegeta. Vegeta fought him off as much as possible, but in the end he becomes completely enslaved to Baby's will. THAT is possession.
Between DBZ and DBGT (movies and filler excluded) the only fighter who has never been controlled or possessed has been Piccolo.
Vegeta getting possessed still was done before, so we really don't need more of it.
You should come up with some different saga to replace this Aladjinn one.
There are other Sagas coming up. I'm not discarding all the work I put in on this one simply because you don't like it.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Oh, I thought by possession you meant mind control
There's also Uub, if you want to count him.
I said Possessed OR controlled, so Goku counts. But you are right about Oob, meaning out of everyone, only two powerful fighters have never been possessed or controlled lol
Grand Kai, Supreme Kai/Kibitokai, King Emma, and Pikkon
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Oh, I thought by possession you meant mind control
There's also Uub, if you want to count him.
I said Possessed OR controlled, so Goku counts. But you are right about Oob, meaning out of everyone, only two powerful fighters have never been possessed or controlled lol
Grand Kai, Supreme Kai/Kibitokai, King Emma, and Paikuhan
He said "excluding filler and movies," and Enma and Kaioshin aren't really fighters.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Oh, I thought by possession you meant mind control
There's also Uub, if you want to count him.
I said Possessed OR controlled, so Goku counts. But you are right about Oob, meaning out of everyone, only two powerful fighters have never been possessed or controlled lol
Grand Kai, Supreme Kai/Kibitokai, King Emma, and Paikuhan
grand Kai and Pikon are filler characters. they don't count. Kibitokai isn't much of a fighter (old Kai even says "you aren't much). King Enma is strong, but we never see him fight
Malik_DBNA wrote:One thing I never understood is how people state that Vegeta has been full-out possessed multiple times. I mean, if you really look at, it he's only been TRULY possessed once, and that was by Baby.
When he became a Majin, he was supposed to be like Dabra, Spopovich, Pocus, and the others. Completely Evil and completely obedient to Babidi. But he never was. He allowed Babidi just enough control to grant him further power and reawaken his darkness, but he was never truly possessed. Babidi would give him an order and he basically said "STFU". Vegeta even openly admits that he plotted and allowed Babidi into his mind willingly just to awaken his power. Multiple times in the manga, Babidi attempted to wrestle full control from Vegeta, but Vegeta refused to allow Babidi to completely control him. You could equate it to putting a leash on a rhino. Just because you have it on a leash does not mean you control it.
Baby on the other hand, completely possessed Vegeta. Vegeta fought him off as much as possible, but in the end he becomes completely enslaved to Baby's will. THAT is possession.
Between DBZ and DBGT (movies and filler excluded) the only fighter who has never been controlled or possessed has been Piccolo.
Vegeta getting possessed still was done before, so we really don't need more of it.
You should come up with some different saga to replace this Aladjinn one.
There are other Sagas coming up. I'm not discarding all the work I put in on this one simply because you don't like it.
I don't think making Vegeta get possessed is a popular idea, though. You don't have to get rid of Aladjinn, but you should at least come up with something different than Vegeta getting possessed.
Didn't this comic start in 2005? That's quite a while ago. Restarting the whole thing from the groundup would be a good idea, just saying.
Dr. Machismo wrote:
I don't think making Vegeta get possessed is a popular idea, though. You don't have to get rid of Aladjinn, but you should at least come up with something different than Vegeta getting possessed.
Didn't this comic start in 2005? That's quite a while ago. Restarting the whole thing from the groundup would be a good idea, just saying.
Dr. Machismo wrote:
I don't think making Vegeta get possessed is a popular idea, though. You don't have to get rid of Aladjinn, but you should at least come up with something different than Vegeta getting possessed.
Didn't this comic start in 2005? That's quite a while ago. Restarting the whole thing from the groundup would be a good idea, just saying.
Dr. Machismo wrote:
I don't think making Vegeta get possessed is a popular idea, though. You don't have to get rid of Aladjinn, but you should at least come up with something different than Vegeta getting possessed.
Didn't this comic start in 2005? That's quite a while ago. Restarting the whole thing from the groundup would be a good idea, just saying.
No
I'll like to say great character is Aladjinn. I find the story great. Aladjinn reminds me of Kronos from another fanfic. I also like ASSJ4. Nice idea.
Dr. Machismo wrote:
It's your call. But hey, think about it.
I'm just not starting over again. Since 2005, you are really the ONLY person who has voiced this much disapproval with my take on the series. I'm not redoing everything I've worked on since BEFORE 2005 because you would prefer I went in another direction. I take all criticism, good or bad, but I put in too much time, too much effort, and too much love into what I've done just to reboot the entire thing from scratch. Not gonna happen.
Dr. Machismo wrote:
I don't think making Vegeta get possessed is a popular idea, though. You don't have to get rid of Aladjinn, but you should at least come up with something different than Vegeta getting possessed.
Didn't this comic start in 2005? That's quite a while ago. Restarting the whole thing from the groundup would be a good idea, just saying.
No
I'll like to say great character is Aladjinn. I find the story great. Aladjinn reminds me of Kronos from another fanfic. I also like ASSJ4. Nice idea.
Dr. Machismo wrote:
It's your call. But hey, think about it.
I'm just not starting over again. Since 2005, you are really the ONLY person who has voiced this much disapproval with my take on the series
That's probably because not many people have seen your comic.
Over 2 million cumulative views on deviantart alone, read on 6 continents and translated into 8 different languages by people I don't even know. Yep. No one reads it.
Over 2 million cumulative views on deviantart alone, read on 6 continents and translated into 8 different languages by people I don't even know. Yep. No one reads it.
Damn that's a lot.
That's probably because not many people have seen your comic.
Missed the art compliment. So sorry for that misunderstanding
Anyways Malik you seem to be doing really well with those numbers.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Malik_DBNA wrote:
Over 2 million cumulative views on deviantart alone, read on 6 continents and translated into 8 different languages by people I don't even know. Yep. No one reads it.
Your comic's still not very well known in the community. Do you mean 2 million when you gather the views from all pages together?