They take what they want by savagery and force. Their so-called society is based on nothing else. They possess neither justice nor order... They were gifted with life, brains capable of wisdom, yet they waste them completely. Should these gifts not be taken back?
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
It's ill-fitting for me. Dragon Ball is not a bedtime story. And "laid-back old man" is not how I would describe Yanami's narrator. To me he sounds like the kind of uncle that shows up to the birthday party with loads of fruit punch soda and stuffs himself with pizza and ice cream, or takes you out on his boat at the lake in the summer and goes skinny dipping or something.
19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
It's ill-fitting for me. Dragon Ball is not a bedtime story. And "laid-back old man" is not how I would describe Yanami's narrator. To me he sounds like the kind of uncle that shows up to the birthday party with loads of fruit punch soda and stuffs himself with pizza and ice cream, or takes you out on his boat at the lake in the summer and goes skinny dipping or something.
19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
While Goku Black could indeed be called "evil Goku" as that was obviously a rehashed Turles concept, Baby Vegeta is Baby in Vegeta's body, basically it. Baby himself was inspired by Hatchiyack a bit, that's a fact, but Baby Vegeta isn't "Evil Vegeta" concept in any way, that would be Copy Vegeta who basically had Vegeta's personality and called himself "Vegeta". People who call him "Evil Vegeta" or "another Vegeta" in case of FighterZ are just silly.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
While Goku Black could indeed be called "evil Goku" as that was obviously a rehashed Turles concept, Baby Vegeta is Baby in Vegeta's body, basically it. Baby himself was inspired by Hatchiyack a bit, that's a fact, but Baby Vegeta isn't "Evil Vegeta" concept in any way, that would be Copy Vegeta who basically had Vegeta's personality and called himself "Vegeta". People who call him "Evil Vegeta" or "another Vegeta" in case of FighterZ are just silly.
More like if you didn't pay attention to the story.
But I do appreciate how Black lives in your head rent free LOL.
They take what they want by savagery and force. Their so-called society is based on nothing else. They possess neither justice nor order... They were gifted with life, brains capable of wisdom, yet they waste them completely. Should these gifts not be taken back?
More like if you didn't pay attention to the story.
That wasn't my point, but whatever. If you paid attention to FighterZ topic you'd have known that i recently said counting Goku Black as "another Goku" in roster is dumb.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
While Goku Black could indeed be called "evil Goku" as that was obviously a rehashed Turles concept
Ehhh, Black was not even really "evil Goku", he was just Zamasu in Goku's body.
Also, I don't think it is fair to say that a legitimate "evil Goku" would be a rehash of Tullece, as Tullece's character can easily be separated from Goku's.
When I look at Turles I see an ugly half-naked monkey man.
When I look at Black I see an actual elegant Kami-sama.
To this day I'll never understand why some people get Turles vibes from Black. Just because they have a similar facial structure doesn't really mean much when you consider the fact that they have completely different clothing, mannerism, personality, abilities, basically everything.
They take what they want by savagery and force. Their so-called society is based on nothing else. They possess neither justice nor order... They were gifted with life, brains capable of wisdom, yet they waste them completely. Should these gifts not be taken back?
While Goku Black could indeed be called "evil Goku" as that was obviously a rehashed Turles concept
Ehhh, Black was not even really "evil Goku", he was just Zamasu in Goku's body.
Also, I don't think it is fair to say that a legitimate "evil Goku" would be a rehash of Tullece, as Tullece's character can easily be separated from Goku's.
Once again that wasn't my point, so perhaps i didn't make it clear enough. Goku Black from story perspective is as much "evil Goku" as Baby was "evil Vegeta" - not at all. And that's a fact i won't deny. What i meant is that design-wise he was fanservice way to represent kinda cliche evil Goku concept, seeing his darker skin, sinister voice and wearing black gi, even being called "Goku (Black)" by characters. The major difference is having Goku's design and voice, sinister or not, was justified in story by a fact it's basically Goku's body, when Turles had Goku's voice and design for laughable reason. Still i see it obvious that they wanted to do evil version of Goku here and then probably just written story around him rather than doing opposite. Toriyama even admitted that entire concept was to create copy of Goku being inspired by copies of characters from other shows. So yeah, i'm not saying Goku Black is "evil Goku", i'm saying he was inspired by such concept only.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
Kong's final form. Courtesy of Jordan Vogt-Roberts.
"Don't take pleasure in destruction!" / "I will not let you destroy my world!"
A true hero goes beyond not the limits of power, but the limits that divide countries and people.