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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Tue May 22, 2018 11:26 am

One year ago, April 17 2017, MasakoX from TeamFourStar created a video series that would change his channel forever, "What if Raditz turned good". And this What if blew up, with a fan club on deviantART, Xenoverse 2 mods, custom action figures, and it even goes as far, as to inspire, to create an audio series...

Dragon Ball R&R, which has just been released today.

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Post by FoolsGil » Tue May 22, 2018 1:48 pm

-Choice to make this an manga/audio drama was a great idea, a lot quicker to do than animation obviously
-Original Soundtrack, I was not expecting that. Wow.
-I was surprised that no one from TFS was playing a part but the folks Masoko did grab were great.
-I was worried this was going to be a retread of Z, glad that this jumps to post Buu. I suppose I should catch up on the what if videos, Post Buu or no, I don't know the exact details when they were talking about Ranch's fusion with Goten.
-Also, trans fusions. Definitely need to catch up on the what ifs.
-Vegeta's a real pos like I've been saying for years, though I'd rather he go back to ruining the adult's lives than abuse Trunks, yeesh.
-Professional Anime Inspired Opening, Screencaps, and Ending. I underestimated how serious Masokox was when he said he was doing this show.
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Post by Kanassa » Tue May 22, 2018 2:06 pm

The art is decent, but the writing comes off as forced, awkward and rather unfocused so far.
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Post by Jackalope89 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm

FoolsGil wrote:-Choice to make this an manga/audio drama was a great idea, a lot quicker to do than animation obviously
-Original Soundtrack, I was not expecting that. Wow.
-I was surprised that no one from TFS was playing a part but the folks Masoko did grab were great.
-I was worried this was going to be a retread of Z, glad that this jumps to post Buu. I suppose I should catch up on the what if videos, Post Buu or no, I don't know the exact details when they were talking about Ranch's fusion with Goten.
-Also, trans fusions. Definitely need to catch up on the what ifs.
-Vegeta's a real pos like I've been saying for years, though I'd rather he go back to ruining the adult's lives than abuse Trunks, yeesh.
-Professional Anime Inspired Opening, Screencaps, and Ending. I underestimated how serious Masokox was when he said he was doing this show.
Ah, one of those stories.

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Post by Kanassa » Tue May 22, 2018 3:00 pm

Jackalope89 wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:-Choice to make this an manga/audio drama was a great idea, a lot quicker to do than animation obviously
-Original Soundtrack, I was not expecting that. Wow.
-I was surprised that no one from TFS was playing a part but the folks Masoko did grab were great.
-I was worried this was going to be a retread of Z, glad that this jumps to post Buu. I suppose I should catch up on the what if videos, Post Buu or no, I don't know the exact details when they were talking about Ranch's fusion with Goten.
-Also, trans fusions. Definitely need to catch up on the what ifs.
-Vegeta's a real pos like I've been saying for years, though I'd rather he go back to ruining the adult's lives than abuse Trunks, yeesh.
-Professional Anime Inspired Opening, Screencaps, and Ending. I underestimated how serious Masokox was when he said he was doing this show.
Ah, one of those stories.

Pass.
It's post-buu saga Vegeta not caring about accidentally blasting Trunks, then slamming him into a wall when Trunks implies that Vegeta needed Raditz's help once. Well, I think that's what Trunks said, the volume at that point is a little hard to hear.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Vegeta being a bastard here makes sense given the context as far as I know it. Unlike his main counterpart, he never had the "You are number one!" moment or even got a chance to fuse with Goku to beat the likes of Boo. Those instances are sort of critical to his development and since they don't happen, it makes sense he's a lot worse here.

Having Raditz of all people be his superior in terms of fighting power also probably doesn't help at all.
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Post by FoolsGil » Tue May 22, 2018 3:30 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Vegeta being a bastard here makes sense given the context as far as I know it. Unlike his main counterpart, he never had the "You are number one!" moment or even got a chance to fuse with Goku to beat the likes of Boo. Those instances are sort of critical to his development and since they don't happen, it makes sense he's a lot worse here.

Having Raditz of all people be his superior in terms of fighting power also probably doesn't help at all.
Perhaps but it was Future Trunks dying in the Cell Saga that made the initial change for Vegeta to even consider settling down and loving Bulma and kid Trunks. Unless Raditz kept that from happening too, like I said I need to watch the what ifs.
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Post by Cetra » Tue May 22, 2018 3:32 pm

I wonder if Masako still needs new character designers for some of the ideas.
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Post by Kanassa » Tue May 22, 2018 3:56 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Vegeta being a bastard here makes sense given the context as far as I know it. Unlike his main counterpart, he never had the "You are number one!" moment or even got a chance to fuse with Goku to beat the likes of Boo. Those instances are sort of critical to his development and since they don't happen, it makes sense he's a lot worse here.

Having Raditz of all people be his superior in terms of fighting power also probably doesn't help at all.
It still doesn't make sense given his personality before the during the beginning of the saga before Buu appeared. Even without the full development of the Buu Saga, Vegeta still shouldn't be acting like Pre Seven-year Time Skip Vegeta.

Also, is this gonna be a thing where you have to sit through a series of discussion videos to understand this shit?
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Post by FoolsGil » Tue May 22, 2018 4:11 pm

Kanassa wrote: Also, is this gonna be a thing where you have to sit through a series of discussion videos to understand this shit?
Other than the trans fusions, and knowing about the exact play by play, I doubt it. These seem for the most part standalone from his what ifs. I have questions, but I don't need to watch the what ifs to follow this, The Pillars of Canon don't change that much in these.
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Post by Kanassa » Tue May 22, 2018 4:22 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
Kanassa wrote: Also, is this gonna be a thing where you have to sit through a series of discussion videos to understand this shit?
Other than the trans fusions, and knowing about the exact play by play, I doubt it. These seem for the most part standalone from his what ifs. I have questions, but I don't need to watch the what ifs to follow this, The Pillars of Canon don't change that much in these.
As pointed out, Vegeta's character shift is apparently supported by what happens in the What-ifs, thus he seems OOC
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Post by FoolsGil » Tue May 22, 2018 4:33 pm

Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:
Kanassa wrote: Also, is this gonna be a thing where you have to sit through a series of discussion videos to understand this shit?
Other than the trans fusions, and knowing about the exact play by play, I doubt it. These seem for the most part standalone from his what ifs. I have questions, but I don't need to watch the what ifs to follow this, The Pillars of Canon don't change that much in these.
As pointed out, Vegeta's character shift is apparently supported by what happens in the What-ifs, thus he seems OOC
Okay, well besides watching the what ifs to understand Vegeta, you don't need to watch them.
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Post by Koitsukai » Tue May 22, 2018 4:49 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Vegeta being a bastard here makes sense given the context as far as I know it. Unlike his main counterpart, he never had the "You are number one!" moment or even got a chance to fuse with Goku to beat the likes of Boo. Those instances are sort of critical to his development and since they don't happen, it makes sense he's a lot worse here.

Having Raditz of all people be his superior in terms of fighting power also probably doesn't help at all.
Perhaps but it was Future Trunks dying in the Cell Saga that made the initial change for Vegeta to even consider settling down and loving Bulma and kid Trunks. Unless Raditz kept that from happening too, like I said I need to watch the what ifs.
True, but still in the buu arc he needed to let go of his family and let himself get possesed by Babidi just to go back to his old self

I don't remember how the Cell arc developed in that What If, so i am not sure if the Trunks-with-a-hole-in-the chest thing happened

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Post by Maphisto86 » Thu May 24, 2018 4:25 am

I enjoyed the What-if concept and was pretty impressed with this first episode. I honestly didn't expect the amount of artwork that went into this as it was billed as an audio drama. A nice middle ground between an audio-only experience and a full-on animation project.

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Post by FoolsGil » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:41 am

Episode 1 Part 1 and 2 are now available
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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:52 pm

Having watched all of the "What If Raditz Turned Good" series before, R and R has been pretty enjoyable so far. The biggest problem for me is that Goku doesn't feel like he does in Dragon Ball, but more like in Abridged (his constant stupidity, though his being off guard is in character). All in all so far I would give it a 7-8/10 as far as fan works go (one of the better fan works I've seen).

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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:14 pm

How the hell is it that Goten has much more character development in this fan project than in any official Dragon Ball product? Like, does that make any sense?
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Post by FoolsGil » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:31 pm

It doesn't make sense, but I'm glad Masoko and other people are filling in what the official release doesn't.
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Post by Kanassa » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:41 pm

Well, this was at least this was better than the first episode. THough a lot fo the writing still feels stilted and awkward. While I appreciate Goten getting focus, it comes as forced and out of nowhere.
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