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Post by coola » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:04 pm

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Sexual maniac, cannibal, now pedophile, what`s next? Look`s like we have Bardock way of achieve SSJ ("I'm too weak"}

This retrospective of Kakarotto having fun with Kuririn, make me wish to see more of that Universe.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Pantalones » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:14 pm

If she does go Super Saiyan after this, I'm guessing Kakarotto won't stand a chance. She managed to get some decent hits in on him even in base, after all... the gap between them is nowhere near big enough that she'd still be weaker even after transforming.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:37 pm

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Post by Dorexx » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:40 pm

So he wasn't completely evil from the beginning? That's kinda cool.
Pantalones wrote:If she does go Super Saiyan after this, I'm guessing Kakarotto won't stand a chance. She managed to get some decent hits in on him even in base, after all... the gap between them is nowhere near big enough that she'd still be weaker even after transforming.
I think SSJ (in DBM, at least) is a specific level of power, not a multiplier. So power-wise, she'd be at the same level as him. (unless Pan is different and this doesn't apply to her for some reason)
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:47 pm

Woohoo for Pan transforming at last! I know I'm among those that complain about the SS form being abused way too much later into the story, but it's kind of because of that, that I find it so odd that we don't have her with the form in any kind of canon. They can abuse it for all of the male characters, but not for our one female Saiyan protagonist? C'mon!

Also, kind of curious about Kakarot's seemingly fond memories of Kuririn. I didn't see that coming, I was expecting him to go on about some kind of really brutal way he killed him...maybe him and Kuririn still bonded in this version, but Kakarot still ended up killing him, and that's what ended up pushing him off the deep end? And maybe his continual harping about human's being so weak is some kind of messed up philosophy, like he thinks that it's Kuririn's fault for dying so easily since he was human, or something.
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Post by Scarz » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:24 pm

"You wanna know what I was doing to little human girls?" Please, please, please tell me you were killing them and not... just... please.

Also, am I the only one not cheering for Pan here? She's not a bad character but I just don't care to see her in future matches.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:56 pm

Scarz wrote:"You wanna know what I was doing to little human girls?" Please, please, please tell me you were killing them and not... just... please.

Also, am I the only one not cheering for Pan here? She's not a bad character but I just don't care to see her in future matches.
But at the same time, Kakarot is the sort of character who shouldn't be overused.
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Post by testing223 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:58 pm

Maybe Kakarotto was a brutal maniac, so he never helped Bulma find the Dragonballs, but wasn't in full-kill-humans mode yet.

Roshi takes him in, trains him a bit, he calms down somewhat.

Demon King Piccolo is resurrected and killed Krillin, he lost his only friend, there's no Dragonballs, and his mind completely snapped.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by funrush » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Shit! Goku was friends with Kuririn in U13? I demand a U13 special -1! :lol:

I'm serious. That'd actually be really cool.

Can't wait to see Pan's seemingly inevitable transformation. It'll be fun.
testing223 wrote:Maybe Kakarotto was a brutal maniac, so he never helped Bulma find the Dragonballs, but wasn't in full-kill-humans mode yet.

Roshi takes him in, trains him a bit, he calms down somewhat.

Demon King Piccolo is resurrected and killed Krillin, he lost his only friend, there's no Dragonballs, and his mind completely snapped.
I like this theory. How would he have met Roshi though? And why would he train him? He would've killed Gohan, right?

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:24 pm

It looks like Pan is going to win. I hate when they have the good character end up winning on the very last moment.
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Post by rereboy » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:53 pm

Pantalones wrote:If she does go Super Saiyan after this, I'm guessing Kakarotto won't stand a chance. She managed to get some decent hits in on him even in base, after all... the gap between them is nowhere near big enough that she'd still be weaker even after transforming.
You think that Kakarotto has been taking this fight seriously at all? I doubt it. He's fighting waaaaay harder against his need to rape Pan's skull than he is actually fighting her.

And Pan's attacks didn't do more to him than a mosquito bite. Even a point blank Kamehameha didn't do anything at all besides breaking his armor.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:09 pm

Yeah, I'm still thinking Pan is going to lose the match, but survive due to the deal Gohan made with the U13 Saiyans, and come out with a new SS transformation to boot. That and it will be more interesting in the next round to see Vegeta versus that Kakarot rather than him versus Pan.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by hleV » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:39 pm

I somehow think that, comparing their base forms, Pan is stronger than Kakarot. So if she went SSJ, she should win this.

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Post by Bussani » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:17 pm

Scarz wrote:Also, am I the only one not cheering for Pan here? She's not a bad character but I just don't care to see her in future matches.
I agree with you from a logical point of view, but in spirit I'm cheering for Pan, if that makes any sense...? If she has to lose, I at least want her to lose with dignity--a moral victory of some sort. I think that's sort of likely at this point.
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Post by testing223 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:36 pm

rereboy wrote:
Pantalones wrote:If she does go Super Saiyan after this, I'm guessing Kakarotto won't stand a chance. She managed to get some decent hits in on him even in base, after all... the gap between them is nowhere near big enough that she'd still be weaker even after transforming.
You think that Kakarotto has been taking this fight seriously at all? I doubt it. He's fighting waaaaay harder against his need to rape Pan's skull than he is actually fighting her.

And Pan's attacks didn't do more to him than a mosquito bite. Even a point blank Kamehameha didn't do anything at all besides breaking his armor.
Look closely. He's showing the Toriyama-style light damage of cross-hatches.

I say light because Toriyama tended to show heavy damage with more blood and limping. Which is what Pan's got; she's done some damage, she's just taken more.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Pantalones » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:13 pm

You think that Kakarotto has been taking this fight seriously at all? I doubt it. He's fighting waaaaay harder against his need to rape Pan's skull than he is actually fighting her.

And Pan's attacks didn't do more to him than a mosquito bite. Even a point blank Kamehameha didn't do anything at all besides breaking his armor.
He's definitely holding back to some extent, yeah, but... he's still a Super Saiyan fighting someone in base and not completely effortlessly flattening them. He would have to be holding back a whole lot more than he seems to be if she was only equal to his base form. (And grabbing someone and repeatedly slamming them against the floor by the arm in a fit of rage? That isn't exactly "holding back," unless your version of "not holding back" is going for the overpowered ki blasts right off the bat and just disintegrating your opponent. That Pan's still conscious after that says a lot about her power, Kakarotto holding back or not.)

And as someone else already mentioned, he does have the scuff-marks after that blast. In a DBZ battle, being able to damage or destroy someone's clothes/armor and scuff them up like that with one attack doesn't signify a huge power gap too big for even a SSj transformation to close, it just means there's a big enough gap that you can't cause any SERIOUS damage without transforming or using some super-special technique.

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Post by Bussani » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:38 pm

I do agree that Pan is doing extremely well, but Vegeta had scuff marks after Kuririn's attack that blew up the Saibaimen, so I'm not sure if they're really supposed to mean anything...? Then again, it depends on what the artists of this comic think, not necessarily Toriyama.
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Post by Blackstripe » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:16 am

"You know what I used to do to little human girls? I taught them to read books about sparkling Vampires!! AH AH AH AH!!!"

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Post by rereboy » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:42 am

Pantalones wrote:
You think that Kakarotto has been taking this fight seriously at all? I doubt it. He's fighting waaaaay harder against his need to rape Pan's skull than he is actually fighting her.

And Pan's attacks didn't do more to him than a mosquito bite. Even a point blank Kamehameha didn't do anything at all besides breaking his armor.
He's definitely holding back to some extent, yeah, but... he's still a Super Saiyan fighting someone in base and not completely effortlessly flattening them. He would have to be holding back a whole lot more than he seems to be if she was only equal to his base form. (And grabbing someone and repeatedly slamming them against the floor by the arm in a fit of rage? That isn't exactly "holding back," unless your version of "not holding back" is going for the overpowered ki blasts right off the bat and just disintegrating your opponent. That Pan's still conscious after that says a lot about her power, Kakarotto holding back or not.)

And as someone else already mentioned, he does have the scuff-marks after that blast. In a DBZ battle, being able to damage or destroy someone's clothes/armor and scuff them up like that with one attack doesn't signify a huge power gap too big for even a SSj transformation to close, it just means there's a big enough gap that you can't cause any SERIOUS damage without transforming or using some super-special technique.
Check out the Vegeta VS Trunks fight (where Vegeta defeated Trunks with a single blow once he got serious).

There is a HUUUGE difference between fighting, fighting seriously and going pretty much all out. And this was pretty much true even in the original manga.

Also, in the original manga, the scuff-marks were used countless times to illustrate that the attack actually connected but didn't do anything relevant. As for the armor, as the original manga shows and implies, a power level around the power of the main fighters of the Saiyan saga and early Namek saga is more than enough to destroy these armors.

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Post by Xyex » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:58 am

rereboy wrote:As for the armor, as the original manga shows and implies, a power level around the power of the main fighters of the Saiyan saga and early Namek saga is more than enough to destroy these armors.
Only when the opponent is around that level. Clothing in Dragonball seems to gain some of the defensive powers of those wearing them, something we see frequently in the series. In order to destroy the armor the attack has to be somewhere somewhat close to that of the wearers power.
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