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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:53 pm

Does not. When he hears about the power level, he is amazed that someone can be 400 a year ago and ten times more now. Vegeta orders to kill the others so they won't be overwhelmed when he'll be here, which BTW is illogical as Vegeta is 18000 and should not fear that at all.
Then, after reading 8000, Nappa still goes to fight him. Can you even imagine Saiyans, who count so much on their scouters, to go fight a guy the double his power? It's just inconsistent. Nappa would at least say "But Vegeta.... I can't win..." and maybe Vegeta would push him to fight. But that didn't happen. A little after in the fight, Vegeta tells Nappa "Come on, he isn't a dangerous opponent!!!" And Nappa agrees, saying he lost his cool.
Nappa just CAN'T be 4000.
No, he continuously screams that the scouter is broken or it made a mistake, and Vegeta goes so far as to crush it, standard reaction when you think it's a useless piece of crap.

I can imagine Nappa not believing the scouter and charging... which is what he did. This is the dumbass who tried to tank a Kienzan. He proceeded to get his ass handed to him on a plate, and could do little other than just gape in awe by the end of the battle.

Also, why wasn't he able to tank Piccolo and Gohan? Neither of them were over 5,000. If he were really 8,000 he shouldn't have been affected at all.
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Still doesn't excuse making him ultra strong and an idiot for really no reason. Why not just use Cooler for the role of "powerful Frost Demon who actually advances"? He actually IS stronger than Freeza... no need to violate canon or anything.
Proof Goku changes his power level in the fight.
No power change was noted... and he couldn't power up, unless you believe he temporarily used the kaio-ken, and his Kamehameha wasn't even charged. All it proves is that Nappa is extremely weak.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:56 pm

Salagir2 wrote:..
Not to mention that Nappa was hit by Goku using Kaioken (which would make his power level (16000) and he didn't die. A 4000 power level fighter would most likely just die if he was hit by a fast attack of a 16000 power level fighter.
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:57 pm

Salagir2 wrote:Nappa just CAN'T be 4000.
Looks like someone else fails my litmus test.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:58 pm

rereboy wrote:Not to mention that Nappa was hit by Goku using Kaioken (which would make his power level (16000) and he didn't die. A 4000 power level fighter would most likely just die if he was hit by a fast attack of a 16000 power level fighter.
Goku at 3 million took hits from Freeza at 60 million and lived. Saiyans are just tough.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:05 pm

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rereboy wrote:Not to mention that Nappa was hit by Goku using Kaioken (which would make his power level (16000) and he didn't die. A 4000 power level fighter would most likely just die if he was hit by a fast attack of a 16000 power level fighter.
Goku at 3 million took hits from Freeza at 60 million and lived. Saiyans are just tough.
Goku was constantly using Kaioken throughout the fight, even when the art didn't show it, as was noted and stated by Kaio. So a power level of 3.000.000 is just assumed to be a possible base power level for Goku at that point without Kaioken. Also, Freeza had control over his power and his punches and could strike harder or softer or with more power or less. I don't know if Goku could do something like that in Kaioken because while in Kaioken, your power is forced to be that powerful. Therefore I don't think that Goku restrained himself at all when he hit Nappa, while Freeza could have (in fact, just by using a percentage of his power, we are already led to believe that Freeza wanted to hurt Goku instead of immediately defeating him).
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:08 pm

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rereboy wrote:Not to mention that Nappa was hit by Goku using Kaioken (which would make his power level (16000) and he didn't die. A 4000 power level fighter would most likely just die if he was hit by a fast attack of a 16000 power level fighter.
Goku at 3 million took hits from Freeza at 60 million and lived. Saiyans are just tough.
Goku was constantly using Kaioken throughout the fight, even when the art didn't show it, as was noted and stated by Kaio. Also, Freeza had control over his power and his punches and could strike harder or softer or with more power or less. I don't know if Goku could do something like that in Kaioken because while in Kaioken, your power is forced to be that powerful. Therefore I don't think that Goku restrained himself at all when he hit Nappa, while Freeza could have (in fact, just by using a percentage of his power, we are already led to believe that Freeza wanted to hurt Goku instead of immediately defeating him).
I doubt Goku was using Kaio-Ken while he was charging the Genki Dama and Freeza got mad and kicked him in the face.
Goku didn't want to kill Nappa; he wanted to cripple him. And he did.
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Post by Salagir2 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:13 pm

Liking the debate, but I must go to bed in order to work in a few hours; This is my last post.

I've been checking the manga and I agree the fights don't show a 8000 Nappa. Although I wouldn't say a 4000 either. With one punch only, he breaks or kill everyone, including Piccolo. Raditz was 3x Piccolo and didn't do that.
As for the characters reactions, Nappas says it must be broken, but both still act not so afraid of Goku although all shows that he is much greater than the others. They also know that scooters give a "minimum" power level (Vegeta thinks about that when he asks to kill the others : "It's 5000 minimum"). I don't see how could Nappa acts so arrogant at 4000 when scanning people : "981... 1220... 1083... you suck".... Feel confident against a mass of people who cumulate to more than his power (when tenshinan & yamcha arrive...) And again, still not be afraid of Goku who clearly is something and may be the 5000, at least, that was scanned...
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Still doesn't excuse making him ultra strong and an idiot for really no reason.
Well, he is only shown in "second form of reduction". That means potential, that mean using it.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:18 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: I doubt Goku was using Kaio-Ken while he was charging the Genki Dama and Freeza got mad and kicked him in the face.
Goku didn't want to kill Nappa; he wanted to cripple him. And he did.
That's why I stated that Freeza was pulling punches the whole fight. Like I said, the mere fact that he was using a percentage of his full power is already a dead give away that he didn't want to immediately defeat and kill Goku but wanted to hurt him and humiliate him instead. When he kicked Goku, he didn't intend to kill him so he restrained himself. When he actually intended to kill him, Goku was saved by Piccolo.

And exactly how would Goku restrain himself and only hurt Nappa instead of killing him while using Kaioken? If he was using Kaioken, his power was automatically 16.000. He couldn't be using Kaioken and restraing his power at the same time. And besides that, he didn't even hit Nappa at a slow velocity, he hit him at a velocity that was superior to the maximum velocity he could achieve with his 8.000 power level. So, its pretty clear to me that in those conditions he didn't restrain his power or pull his punch at all, because he couldn't under the circumstances. On the other hand, Freeza could and most likely did.
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:19 pm

One old guide from an anime comic or something listed Nappa at 4500 instead of 4000.

Does that sit better with anyone? Being a little bit OVER half of Goku's strength instead of a little bit UNDER it? I sometimes wonder if that relatively small but crucial difference, had it been kept and reprinted instead of 4000, would be enough to warm people up to Nappa's relatively low standing compared to Goku.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:20 pm

Excuse me Salagir2 but I don't appreciate you claiming Nappa's power level can't work. Nappa pretty much has to be 4,000 to make sense within the context of the story. Remember Nappa freaks out at the mere mention of Goku's power level registering at 5,000.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:23 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote: I doubt Goku was using Kaio-Ken while he was charging the Genki Dama and Freeza got mad and kicked him in the face.
Goku didn't want to kill Nappa; he wanted to cripple him. And he did.
That's why I stated that Freeza was pulling punches the whole fight. Like I said, the mere fact that he was using a percentage of his full power is already a dead give away that he didn't want to immediately defeat and kill Goku but wanted to hurt him and humiliate him instead. When he kicked Goku, he didn't intend to kill him so he restrained himself. When he actually intended to kill him, Goku was saved by Piccolo.

And exactly how would Goku restrain himself and only hurt Nappa instead of killing him while using Kaioken? If he was using Kaioken, his power was automatically 16.000. He couldn't be using Kaioken and restraing his power at the same time. And besides that, he didn't even hit Nappa at a slow velocity, he hit him at a velocity that was superior to the maximum velocity he could achieve with his 8.000 power level. So, its pretty clear that to me that in those conditions he didn't restrain his power or pull his punch at all, because he couldn't under the circumstances. On the other hand, Freeza could and most likely did.
Kaio-Ken involves complete concentration and control of your ki. I imagine that Goku could restrain himself as much as he wanted. And Saiyans are tough. Look at the Vegeta fight; he gets beat all to hell, and can still take out everyone. Goku has plenty of endurance feats, Saiyans are naturally capable of surviving at high gravity, etc. And Goku is a master martial artist. I imagine he knows how to hit someone without killing them. And he didn't want to kill Nappa.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:27 pm

Goku merely tried to stop, not kill him. He broke Nappa's back in the process of doing that though.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:27 pm

Why don't we all just agree that there are enough indicators to sustain different opinions regarding Nappa's power level? Yes, some things seem to not make much sense if we consider Nappa's power level to be close to Goku's 8000. But on the other hand other things also seem to not make much sense if we consider his power to only be 4000. That's all there is to it.

Personally, I think it would make most sense if Nappa was somewhere between 5000 and 5500 or 6000.

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Post by dprez » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:27 pm

The Nappa thing is another one of those debates... :x

I like to think that in the end he is actually closer to Goku's 8,000. It just makes sense to me the way their fight went after Vegeta got Nappa to calm down. Nappa was just shocked to hear his power level is that high after less than a year ago he was a measly 400. Of course I understand he did "power-up" earlier, and if he was near 8,000 then, you'd think Gohan and the rest shouldn't have even been able to scratch him like they did. Possibly being confronted with someone like Goku and his power, Nappa just took it up a notch, to what I think his real "full power" was.

Thank you Salagir2 for clearing some things up. We see eye-to-eye on a few things. I like how you view the guide books in these debates. :lol:

I also like how Boo is raging right now. That's just how powerful Boo is. Always on a rampage.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:29 pm

One old guide from an anime comic or something listed Nappa at 4500 instead of 4000.

Does that sit better with anyone? Being a little bit OVER half of Goku's strength instead of a little bit UNDER it? I sometimes wonder if that relatively small but crucial difference, had it been kept and reprinted instead of 4000, would be enough to warm people up to Nappa's relatively low standing compared to Goku.
Either 4,000 or 4,500 works fine, but I guess I'd prefer the latter because it puts a bigger gap between him and Piccolo.
I've been checking the manga and I agree the fights don't show a 8000 Nappa. Although I wouldn't say a 4000 either. With one punch only, he breaks or kill everyone, including Piccolo. Raditz was 3x Piccolo and didn't do that.
He took Piccolo with an off guard elbow to the back of the neck, just like Majin Vegeta did to Goku, so it doesn't really prove anything. He was like 4 times as strong as Gohan and over twice as strong as Krillin and Tien.

Raditz being x3 Piccolo and not doing that doesn't really prove anything other than things are inconsistent/Raditz likes to toy. See Goku shrugging off a beat down from 18,000 Vegeta when he was only 8,000, doing the same thing to 50% Freeza who was 60,000,000 to his 3,000,000, et cetera and yet Vegeta one-shotting Cui (who was nowhere near twice as weak as him) and Goku one-shotting Recoome (who was closer to him than Piccolo was to Raditz).

And again, do you think someone at over three times another's strength can't tank them? That's just silly. We didn't see Piccolo and Nappa fight a lot; we saw Nappa take him off guard when Piccolo's tail strategy failed, and taking him off guard and unbraced again when Piccolo saved Gohan (kind of like when Gohan saved Vegeta). Whenever Piccolo attacked Nappa, he damaged him.
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Well, he is only shown in "second form of reduction". That means potential, that mean using it.
Except Cold flat out said Freeza > him and he looks like an idiot in your version of the events. Cold was also never implied to be able to transform, so that "second form of reduction" stuff doesn't mean anything.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:30 pm

dprez wrote:The Nappa thing is another one of those debates... :x

I like to think that in the end he is actually closer to Goku's 8,000. It just makes sense to me the way their fight went after Vegeta got Nappa to calm down. Nappa was just shocked to hear his power level is that high after less than a year ago he was a measly 400. Of course I understand he did "power-up" earlier, and if he was near 8,000 then, you'd think Gohan and the rest shouldn't have even been able to scratch him like they did. Possibly being confronted with someone like Goku and his power, Nappa just took it up a notch, to what I think his real "full power" was.

Thank you Salagir2 for clearing some things up. We see eye-to-eye on a few things. I like how you view the guide books in these debates. :lol:

I also like how Boo is raging right now. That's just how powerful Boo is. Always on a rampage.
I honestly think Nappa just have high durability.
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Post by dprez » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:30 pm

rereboy wrote:Personally, I think it would make most sense if Nappa was somewhere between 5000 and 5500 or 6000.
This is what I see as likely. 4,000 just seams to low for me personally.

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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:31 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Kaio-Ken involves complete concentration and control of your ki. I imagine that Goku could restrain himself as much as he wanted.
So you're saying that Goku could have been using Kaioken, which automatically doubles your power, while at the same time being able to restrain or suppress his power in order to not kill Nappa, even though he also hit him at a velocity greater than any he could achieve without Kaioken.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to just disagree with you.

Also, notice that I never said that Saiyans aren't tough. They sure are. But that on itself doesn't invalidate what I argued. In fact, if Sayiyans weren't very tough I would say that Nappa wouldn't have survived Goku's Kaioken blow even if he ahd a power level of 9000.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:35 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Goku merely tried to stop, not kill him. He broke Nappa's back in the process of doing that though.
He stopped him with a power level of 16.000 and a blow delivered at a velocity higher than his maximum velocity without Kaioken. Like I argued, can't really see how he could have restrained himself at that speed and while using Kaioken. And yet Nappa lived.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:37 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: Kaio-Ken involves complete concentration and control of your ki. I imagine that Goku could restrain himself as much as he wanted.
So your saying that Goku could have been using Kaioken, which automatically doubles your power, while at the same time being able to restrain or suppress his power in order to not kill Nappa, even though he also hit him at a velocity greater than one he could achieve without Kaioken.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to just disagree with you.
SSJ multiplies power by 50, yet the Saiyans can still use it without going all out. Again, Goku is an expert fighter. He knows how to hurt someone without killing them. And Goku has exact control over his ki while using Kaio-Ken, so he could hold back as much as he wanted.
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