Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[coola]

[miguelnuva1]

I was going to mention that Slug's crew should at minimum be around the Ginyu Force and how are the saiyans holding their own but then I remembered Future Gohan holds a W over Dabura.

[SSJgogeto]

But Dabura was weakened in that fight, right?

[FoolsGil]

Every time I'm reminded of the Future Majin Attack I die a little inside. Yes Dabura was weakened. However for some ultimate BS reason when Dabura had Gohan in a hold, Gohan going basic Super Saiyan broke his grip - before he was weakened. Needless to say, a being as strong as Super Perfect Cell, on par with a healthy SSJ2, shouldn't be pushed back, by such a measly power level. And sure, story is more important than power levels, but in situations like that, you should probably write a better story.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Every time I'm reminded of the Future Majin Attack I die a little inside. Yes Dabura was weakened. However for some ultimate BS reason when Dabura had Gohan in a hold, Gohan going basic Super Saiyan broke his grip - before he was weakened. Needless to say, a being as strong as Super Perfect Cell, on par with a healthy SSJ2, shouldn't be pushed back, by such a measly power level. And sure, story is more important than power levels, but in situations like that, you should probably write a better story.

Ah but you forget; these characters are popular. The fandom has always (in my experience at least) always been willing to ignore power scaling for popular characters.

[miguelnuva1]

Every time I'm reminded of the Future Majin Attack I die a little inside. Yes Dabura was weakened. However for some ultimate BS reason when Dabura had Gohan in a hold, Gohan going basic Super Saiyan broke his grip - before he was weakened. Needless to say, a being as strong as Super Perfect Cell, on par with a healthy SSJ2, shouldn't be pushed back, by such a measly power level. And sure, story is more important than power levels, but in situations like that, you should probably write a better story.

Ah but you forget; these characters are popular. The fandom has always (in my experience at least) always been willing to ignore power scaling for popular characters.

One dbz fan in the right mind would ignore power scaling to that level. Future Gohan is so weak he might not even be able to handle Frieza before his one armed state.

[SSJgogeto]

Wait, but Future Trunks killed Frieza, and he was as strong as Gohan before his death, right? I think he is able to handle Mecha Frieza.

[HeroR]

Wait, but Future Trunks killed Frieza, and he was as strong as Gohan before his death, right? I think he is able to handle Mecha Frieza.

It was stated in both the manga and tv special that Trunk was as strong as Gohan when he was killed before he went out to fight the Androids and got his ass kicked. So if Trunks can stomped Mecha Frieza, then Gohan should logically be the same even with one arm.

In either case, Gohan had no business fighting Dabura, forget winning. Even if Dabura was greatly weakened, he still should stomped a character who is only about Namek Saga Super Saiyan Goku's level. People often forget how powerful the characters got between the end of Namek and the end of the Cell Games.

[miguelnuva1]

Wait, but Future Trunks killed Frieza, and he was as strong as Gohan before his death, right? I think he is able to handle Mecha Frieza.

It was stated in both the manga and tv special that Trunk was as strong as Gohan when he was killed before he went out to fight the Androids and got his ass kicked. So if Trunks can stomped Mecha Frieza, then Gohan should logically be the same even with one arm.

In either case, Gohan had no business fighting Dabura, forget winning. Even if Dabura was greatly weakened, he still should stomped a character who is only about Namek Saga Super Saiyan Goku's level. People often forget how powerful the characters got between the end of Namek and the end of the Cell Games.

One armed Gohan and Trunks are about the same in the manga. Two armed is the one that fought Dabra and you could make an argument he's Frieza level at worst and namek Goku at best.

In the TV Special Gohan is much stronger than Trunks and might be the strongest pre roast super saiyan.

[coola]

Every time I'm reminded of the Future Majin Attack I die a little inside. Yes Dabura was weakened. However for some ultimate BS reason when Dabura had Gohan in a hold, Gohan going basic Super Saiyan broke his grip - before he was weakened. Needless to say, a being as strong as Super Perfect Cell, on par with a healthy SSJ2, shouldn't be pushed back, by such a measly power level. And sure, story is more important than power levels, but in situations like that, you should probably write a better story.

Ah but you forget; these characters are popular. The fandom has always (in my experience at least) always been willing to ignore power scaling for popular characters.

One dbz fan in the right mind would ignore power scaling to that level. Future Gohan is so weak he might not even be able to handle Frieza before his one armed state.

Goku vs Freeza was just as bad, Goku had harder time against Ginyu Force, yet was somehow strong enough to force Freeza to transform into 4th form (There is also wasted opportunity, that Ginyu is really Nail)

[coola]

And the Emmy goes to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDPG-Q7ZEs0

[SSJgogeto]

Honestly, I don't remember how strong is old Slug.

[coola]

Honestly, I don't remember how strong is old Slug.

I would say stronger than Piccolo post fusion with Nail, but below 3rd form of Freeza. He one shotted Zeeun, and every minion was afraid of him, even Angila and Medamatcha, who managed to beat Gohan and Piccolo.

[Brikikoz]

Honestly, I don't remember how strong is old Slug.

When he was designed, the movie writers seemed to have a vague idea of Toriyama's upcoming Super Saiyan idea. Looks sounds like someone asked him for input and he mentioned what he was thinking of doing with Goku's new form.

So the "false super saiyan" is the movie-verse version of what they thought SSJ would be. Since the SSJ idea was to give Goku a boost to beat the big final villain (Freeza, Slug), we can extrapolate that Slug is near Freeza final form but below SSJ1 Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

Honestly, I don't remember how strong is old Slug.

Around as strong as non-SS Goku is in that movie. Slug tells Goku that he might have had a chance against him before he regained his youth, but now that he's in his prime again, he can beat Goku around effortlessly.

[miguelnuva1]

Considering where the movie takes place Old Slug could be Ginyu level and young Slug is 2nd form Frieza maybe even initial Final form Frieza.

Ah but you forget; these characters are popular. The fandom has always (in my experience at least) always been willing to ignore power scaling for popular characters.

One dbz fan in the right mind would ignore power scaling to that level. Future Gohan is so weak he might not even be able to handle Frieza before his one armed state.

Goku vs Freeza was just as bad, Goku had harder time against Ginyu Force, yet was somehow strong enough to force Freeza to transform into 4th form (There is also wasted opportunity, that Ginyu is really Nail)

I can't remember that one but if Goku did a little training with Nail and used a 20xKK I could see Frieza using his 4th form but not too much of it being needed.

[coola]

Considering where the movie takes place Old Slug could be Ginyu level and young Slug is 2nd form Frieza maybe even initial Final form Frieza.

One dbz fan in the right mind would ignore power scaling to that level. Future Gohan is so weak he might not even be able to handle Frieza before his one armed state.

Goku vs Freeza was just as bad, Goku had harder time against Ginyu Force, yet was somehow strong enough to force Freeza to transform into 4th form (There is also wasted opportunity, that Ginyu is really Nail)

I can't remember that one but if Goku did a little training with Nail and used a 20xKK I could see Frieza using his 4th form but not too much of it being needed.

I think main "problem" is that Salagir in his canon made Freeza much weaker than he was in manga/anime (Here his full power is 12.000.000 instead of 120.000.000 if i remember correctly) with is why Goku could beat Feeza up in his 3rd form, despite having harder time against Ginyu Force

[miguelnuva1]

Considering where the movie takes place Old Slug could be Ginyu level and young Slug is 2nd form Frieza maybe even initial Final form Frieza.

Goku vs Freeza was just as bad, Goku had harder time against Ginyu Force, yet was somehow strong enough to force Freeza to transform into 4th form (There is also wasted opportunity, that Ginyu is really Nail)

I can't remember that one but if Goku did a little training with Nail and used a 20xKK I could see Frieza using his 4th form but not too much of it being needed.

I think main "problem" is that Salagir in his canon made Freeza much weaker than he was in manga/anime (Here his full power is 12.000.000 instead of 120.000.000 if i remember correctly) with is why Goku could beat Feeza up in his 3rd form, despite having harder time against Ginyu Force

Goku should still be able to mop the Ginyu Force as my understanding was he was still 90,000 at the time. Maybe he just wanted to add tension like Toei did in the movies.

[Brikikoz]

Goku should still be able to mop the Ginyu Force as my understanding was he was still 90,000 at the time. Maybe he just wanted to add tension like Toei did in the movies.

Yeah, you need SOME degree of threat for a fight to work.

However, you could say that Goku feeling the deaths of his friends while in space threw off his training, and as such he wasn't able to get up to pre-SSJ levels. He was also somewhat depressed that he got to Namek too late to save anyone.

[HeroR]

Wait, but Future Trunks killed Frieza, and he was as strong as Gohan before his death, right? I think he is able to handle Mecha Frieza.

It was stated in both the manga and tv special that Trunk was as strong as Gohan when he was killed before he went out to fight the Androids and got his ass kicked. So if Trunks can stomped Mecha Frieza, then Gohan should logically be the same even with one arm.

In either case, Gohan had no business fighting Dabura, forget winning. Even if Dabura was greatly weakened, he still should stomped a character who is only about Namek Saga Super Saiyan Goku's level. People often forget how powerful the characters got between the end of Namek and the end of the Cell Games.

One armed Gohan and Trunks are about the same in the manga. Two armed is the one that fought Dabra and you could make an argument he's Frieza level at worst and namek Goku at best.

In the TV Special Gohan is much stronger than Trunks and might be the strongest pre roast super saiyan.

Base Gohan with one arm was fighting Super Saiyan Trunks in the manga with no problem, so there was a big power different even in the manga version. Also, nothing suggests two armed Gohan was stronger than the one arm Gohan.