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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:44 pm

Must be really weird for Gohan to basically see himself die even though it’s technically not him.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:44 pm

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Yes, it does. If you can rationalize and accept why one teleport spammer, Kibito, DOES NOT use his power, then you can accept why others do not as well, like Vegetto.
Once again your comparing apples and oranges.

Kibito is shocked to see Dabura at all and was told not to make a move.

Vegito is trying to get back to the area that Bra is in.

Goku as a ssj3 can he felt in other world and Ssj2 Majin Bra who is a god to him can't be sensed by someone who is superior to the previous users.

Also thank you for reminding me that Vegito doesn't even need to sense Bra to get back to her. Vegito not popping back up is a plot hole.
Nah, it's not a plot hole. You just want to rag on DBM while not acknowledging DBZ did the same exact things. Either there's a limit on the powers or there are no limits. If there's no limits, DBZ made the plot hole. If there's limits, like DBZ said, then there's no plot hole in DBM.

Kibito wasn't shocked. They were there for ~ 30 mins while Babidi talked with Spopovichi and Namu. Can't use that excuse. And why would Shin tell Kibito NOT to attack if teleport-spam is an instant kill? THAT'S where the teleport plot hole started.
Once again you're comparing someone trying to move a strong opponent away from a battle after being told not to make any moves and being shocked that said strong person was even there in the first place to Vegito bringing himself back to Bra when we are shown that doing that is much simpler.

I already said I wasn't attack multiverse for this, just that it seemed like the plot was wrote out without thinking it through all the way. A simple fix as I said would be Vegito choosing not to teleport back as that is something Goku has done in the past anyway.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:51 pm

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That wouldn’t be a bad outcome but I think she deserves a more harsh punishment than that. Maybe having her power sealed away.
You want to punish the victim? Until it is said Bra wanted this outcome would have to go on the assumption she was forcefully controlled

This stroy would be better if its Vegito learning his place for not being a better dad to Bra.
Don’t give me that. That “victim” has been a brat and a horrible person her whole life and now killed people. Including her own brother. She’s not some innocent sweet girl in this. Like I said, I don’t buy her being controlled. Babidi’s Magic doesn’t just make people evil. It just brought out Bras deepest desires.

Vegito needs to learn his place too. But Bra shouldn’t get off scot free (which I know she will going by previous stuff about her but still)
She did that under control. Vegeta's desires were brought out because he could out will Babidi, others fall under his control completely if they can't refuse him and with Vegeta it was outright let him in and then ignore him as Cell stopped him completely.

Babidi makes people with dark desires no matter how small into bad people as said by Kaioshin, Bra was a spoiled princess yes but nothing she did made her a truly bad villain like she is now. Bra has been given everything on a golden platter and based on who her parents are and how U16 is set up it is understandable why she acts the way she does this is Bulma and Vegito's fault and we know Vegito shouldn't be raising kids the way he acts.

We have been shown Babidi can make people with dark desires into bad people and we have be shown nothing in DBM that Bra is in control the way Vegeta was and based on Gohan's last words she isn't in control.

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Post by It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:41 pm

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She did that under control. Vegeta's desires were brought out because he could out will Babidi, others fall under his control completely if they can't refuse him and with Vegeta it was outright let him in and then ignore him as Cell stopped him completely.

Babidi makes people with dark desires no matter how small into bad people as said by Kaioshin, Bra was a spoiled princess yes but nothing she did made her a truly bad villain like she is now. Bra has been given everything on a golden platter and based on who her parents are and how U16 is set up it is understandable why she acts the way she does this is Bulma and Vegito's fault and we know Vegito shouldn't be raising kids the way he acts.

We have been shown Babidi can make people with dark desires into bad people and we have be shown nothing in DBM that Bra is in control the way Vegeta was and based on Gohan's last words she isn't in control.
Those last words don't seem to imply she isn't in control. They seem to imply that everyone grossly overestimated how much "goodness" there was behind the bitchiness.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:19 pm

It's an attempt to goad her pride, as well as whatever good still exists.

1) "I thought you would hesitate at least a little" implies that Gohan still had faith in her (and she'd feel bad for disappointing the man that basically raised her).

2) "Babidi is... the strong[est]" implies that Bra isn't top dog; Babidi is. He's appealing to her ego.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 am

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It's an attempt to goad her pride, as well as whatever good still exists.

1) "I thought you would hesitate at least a little" implies that Gohan still had faith in her (and she'd feel bad for disappointing the man that basically raised her).

2) "Babidi is... the strong[est]" implies that Bra isn't top dog; Babidi is. He's appealing to her ego.

That's how I see it. Gohan is saying that despite her power Babidi has taken complete control over her.

Gohan say Vegeta refuse Babidi completely so he's hoping his Sister can do the same.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Brikikoz » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:38 am

Fionordequester wrote:
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It's an attempt to goad her pride, as well as whatever good still exists.

1) "I thought you would hesitate at least a little" implies that Gohan still had faith in her (and she'd feel bad for disappointing the man that basically raised her).

2) "Babidi is... the strong[est]" implies that Bra isn't top dog; Babidi is. He's appealing to her ego.
3. Gohan knows that Saiyan pride is one of the few things that can overwhelm Babidi's mind control.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:18 pm

That Bardock vision happened 9 years ago and is still the SOLE reason I'm still reading this :lol:
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:38 pm

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That Bardock vision happened 9 years ago and is still the SOLE reason I'm still reading this :lol:
Mother of Kami :wtf:

If they cut the specials we would (hopefuly) already have reached/passed Bardock's vision in the story.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Brikikoz » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:19 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
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That Bardock vision happened 9 years ago and is still the SOLE reason I'm still reading this :lol:
Mother of Kami :wtf:

If they cut the specials we would (hopefuly) already have reached/passed Bardock's vision in the story.
They wouldn't be able to maintain the quality of artwork at that pace. Remember this is not Toriyama doing it as a job 12 hours a day 7 days a week, this is Asura doing it in their spare time for free. I don't know their life, but I would assume if they're a regular person with a job, that's 8 hours a day of normal work, 8 hours of sleep, and then 8 hours of their own time. I estimate a good inked page takes at least 2-3 hours of pencil work and another hour at least of inking.

Expecting anyone to do at least 4 hours of ANY unpaid work every single day is just unreasonable. Even if they're giving up their weekends for us, that's still maybe 4 pages every Saturday and Sunday, so 8 pages a month. We're getting MORE than enough.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:34 pm

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They wouldn't be able to maintain the quality of artwork at that pace. Remember this is not Toriyama doing it as a job 12 hours a day 7 days a week, this is Asura doing it in their spare time for free. I don't know their life, but I would assume if they're a regular person with a job, that's 8 hours a day of normal work, 8 hours of sleep, and then 8 hours of their own time. I estimate a good inked page takes at least 2-3 hours of pencil work and another hour at least of inking.

Expecting anyone to do at least 4 hours of ANY unpaid work every single day is just unreasonable. Even if they're giving up their weekends for us, that's still maybe 4 pages every Saturday and Sunday, so 8 pages a month. We're getting MORE than enough.
I'm asking for not wasting time in pointless Specials filler and focus only on the present main story. Focusing on that will not change the amount of time/work they need to invest, in both cases (main story & specials) they still have to develop a story and draw it in over 15-20 pages, doing both things only delays the development of the main story.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Brikikoz » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:42 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:34 pm
Brikikoz wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:19 pm
They wouldn't be able to maintain the quality of artwork at that pace. Remember this is not Toriyama doing it as a job 12 hours a day 7 days a week, this is Asura doing it in their spare time for free. I don't know their life, but I would assume if they're a regular person with a job, that's 8 hours a day of normal work, 8 hours of sleep, and then 8 hours of their own time. I estimate a good inked page takes at least 2-3 hours of pencil work and another hour at least of inking.

Expecting anyone to do at least 4 hours of ANY unpaid work every single day is just unreasonable. Even if they're giving up their weekends for us, that's still maybe 4 pages every Saturday and Sunday, so 8 pages a month. We're getting MORE than enough.
I'm asking for not wasting time in pointless Specials filler and focus only on the present main story. Focusing on that will not change the amount of time/work they need to invest, in both cases (main story & specials) they still have to develop a story and draw it in over 15-20 pages, doing both things only delays the development of the main story.
The specials give Asura time to do the work.

If you estimate working 8 hours a day every weekend, that's about 8 pages a month. So they save up about 20 pages, which is about 2.5 months, for each main chapter.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:15 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:34 pm
I'm asking for not wasting time in pointless Specials filler and focus only on the present main story. Focusing on that will not change the amount of time/work they need to invest, in both cases (main story & specials) they still have to develop a story and draw it in over 15-20 pages, doing both things only delays the development of the main story.
That won't make Asura work faster. It just means nothing will fill the 1-2 month gap between main story chapters.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:35 pm

If we have to have specials, then we have to have specials. But man give us something to care about. The batting averages are not strong in these specials, for whatever reason. And honestly by this point, I want stories away from these 18 universes. At this point there's nothing more that really needs to be said for these universes, no matter how many U13/Saiyan U3 specials they release.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Brikikoz » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:05 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:35 pm
If we have to have specials, then we have to have specials. But man give us something to care about. The batting averages are not strong in these specials, for whatever reason. And honestly by this point, I want stories away from these 18 universes. At this point there's nothing more that really needs to be said for these universes, no matter how many U13/Saiyan U3 specials they release.
This is true. Salagir has a well of untapped material that should be opened up.

I suspect he may be thinking about that once the tournament itself is over.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:55 pm

It’s hard imagine where the story will go once this current plot eventually wraps up and we finish the tournament.

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Post by SSJgogeto » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:23 pm

Well, we still have I'K'L', XXI and some other things. There's a lot of material they can work on.

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Post by Brikikoz » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:33 pm

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Post by FoolsGil » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:25 pm

I get that Salagir wanted to fill in a plot hole that Toriyama created, but having Freeza sit on information on Earth, knowing Goku was there, and did absolutely nothing, doesn't make it better. Especially now that even though he didn't want Kakarot being influenced by Raditz Nappa and Vegeta but still allows Kakarot to be with them, is also dumb. If anything, Freeza should have killed Raditz on the spot and then took Kakarot to be groomed into a bodyguard like Dodoria and Zarbon to piss off Vegeta.
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