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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kanassa » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:34 pm

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...I guess that's really the only excuse you can make, for Bra.

what a hack. No excuses like a different writer for the Future Majin Attack. :problem:
As we all know, suddenly introducing a tragic backstory when it's convenient for the plot will easily redeem even the shittiest of personalities!
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Post by SSJgogeto » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:50 pm

I still don't like Bra, so the backstory didn't work this time.

But IMO this don't make sense. Why Vegetto is acting like that?

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:13 pm

This is why no one likes Bra, as bad as Vegeta was he never directly threatens Trunks and Goku loves his kids. This better be some sick game Vegito is playing and he apologises later.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by HeroR » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:15 pm

Honestly, Vegetto feels OOC here even by Muliverse’s standards.

But at least this Special has good art.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:28 pm

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Honestly, Vegetto feels OOC here even by Muliverse’s standards.

But at least this Special has good art.
It's a flashback, not the special. Special starts next week.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:33 pm

SSJgogeto wrote:
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I still don't like Bra, so the backstory didn't work this time.

But IMO this don't make sense. Why Vegetto is acting like that?
I've seen a few answers on the site proper:

-Vegetto is trying to use threats to force Bra to higher levels of power.

-Vegetto knows that Bra will grow up and become a villain, and is in the compromising position of wanting a good fight, but also protect the Earth, so he tells her his intentions.

-Vegetto is afraid of Bra becoming stronger than him, but still wants a good fight, so he tells her his intentions.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:34 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:33 pm
SSJgogeto wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:50 pm
I still don't like Bra, so the backstory didn't work this time.

But IMO this don't make sense. Why Vegetto is acting like that?
I've seen many answers on the site proper:

-Vegetto is trying to use threats to force Bra to higher levels of power.

-Vegetto knows that Bra will grow up and become a villain, and is in the compromising position of wanting a good fight, but also protect the Earth, so he tells her his intentions.

-Vegetto is afraid of Bra becoming stronger than him, but still wants a good fight, so he tells her his intentions.
The second is exactly what I'm thinking - he knows she's a danger to herself and everyone else so that's his last resort. Of course, it could be a mix of 2 and 3 - King Vegeta's logic with Broly, essentially.

Of course, it can also be the toxic combination of Goku and Vegeta's defining characteristics - Goku's always trying to push himself and find someone stronger than him, while Vegeta wants to be the strongest there is and detests the idea of anybody being better. Hungry for the next challenge but only to assert your supremacy.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:44 pm

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Of course, it can also be the toxic combination of Goku and Vegeta's defining characteristics - Goku's always trying to push himself and find someone stronger than him, while Vegeta wants to be the strongest there is and detests the idea of anybody being better. Hungry for the next challenge but only to assert your supremacy.
Honestly after this, I think this is just an excuse to write Vegetto however DBM wants at the time. Anything can be blamed on the positive or negative aspects of Goku or Vegeta, singular or combined. Psychopath? Meme Jokester? Bipolar Manic Depressive? Whatever Salagir needs, Vegetto will be.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:22 pm

What the fuck, Vegetto? I guess the Potara not only amplified Goku and Vegeta's combined power, but also their parental ineptitude. :lol:

Joking aside, unless we're missing some context, this seems a little out of left field. Bra always came off as a talented but spoiled fighter who just wanted to prove how strong she was, not as a victim of planetary levels of domestic abuse. Well, at least this explains where all the teen angst comes from...
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:25 pm

So this scene is even more reason Bra should have ignored everyone there gone after Vegito and we could have gotten them both the realized the mistakes they've made. Bra could reveal she had a fear of her father leading her to want more power and Vegito could realize how he wasn't a good Dad.

Rule number 1 of fiction is never bring downold charcters to hype your new charcters in this way. Bra is now Rey to Vegito's Luke.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by HeroR » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:31 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
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Honestly, Vegetto feels OOC here even by Muliverse’s standards.

But at least this Special has good art.
It's a flashback, not the special. Special starts next week.
Aw. Thought it was the U16 Special. My mistake.

But I think Vegetto's doing what Vegeta did to Cabba and what Goku did to Uub. Bring out their full power by being a bastard.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Wow, Vegito just went full The Last Jedi

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Post by Fionordequester » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:30 pm

This was foreshadowed, believe it or not. Up to you if you want to accept it, but the hints were there, in this, and other areas.

EDIT: I rewrote this slightly, as Salagir doesn't seem to completely understand English writing conventions. The translator did his job, but there's localization that needs to be done, too. It seemed like that step was missing, so I took it upon myself. Read this on the site, if you want the unedited version.
U16 Novel, Chapter 17 wrote:Vegetto found the location of the new planet Namek. He went to Mori, the leader of what were probably the wisest people in the universe. The old Namekian drank only water, but still had tea ready for Vegetto. The two went inside before speaking, so as to avoid gossip from eavesdroppers. They spoke about the farmers of Last Hope for a time, then got to the heart of the matter.

“What would be the trouble of having one more child?” Mori asked.

“It's dangerous.” said Vegetto.

"But you said your other sons can already destroy planets by the thousands. How would this child be different?

“I can easily stop my other children. But a son I brought into the world myself... Saiyan children usually overpower their parents; Especially in my family.”

“So, what you actually fear is this: That your child could lose control, destroy the universe, and you couldn't do anything about it.”

“Yes.”

“But why would your son do such a thing? Do you fear his adolescence so much?"

“Well... First of all, Saiyans are violent; it's in their nature. They were like that even before Freeza... If you were to compare a normal Saiyan with any other race in the universe, you'd find him very cruel indeed. A rabid dog, were no one to hold him back.”

“But not your children.”

“Not Goku & Vegeta's children."

“But isn't one's upbringing more important than genetics? Gokû and Piccolo Daimao are convincing examples.”

“Maybe... But maybe we were lucky.”

“Hm...”

The Namekian was thinking... Trying to look at the problem from the right perspective. Education wasn't the problem, no, it was something else. Why did Vegetto foresee a dark future? Gokû was happy as could be, and even Vegeta wasn't this cynical... Vegetto's attitude was strange. The Kaioshins hadn't hammered responsibility that hard into his head. It seemed odd for such a powerful warrior to be this impressionable.

“Why would your child destroy the universe? Even saiyans don't destroy planets for the fun of it. Besides, ruling the universe is quite meaningless...”

“There were people who wanted to do it...”

“People... like you?”

Mori had found it.

“I thought about it.”

“Why?”

“I'm bored. I'll never find someone to challenge me. At times, I just want to leave everything. To mess around... But I won't."

“That thought only crossed your mind. You don't have to worry about your future.”

“Of course. I like my family, I'm sane, I'm calm... I would never be a threat.”

“But if that idea were to cross your son's mind..."

“Exactly. If I'm thinking it, it's possible he will too.”

“If you can control yourself, why couldn't he?”

“I had impulses. And some of them almost destroyed the universe. Vegeta is to blame for Perfect Cell creation, as well as Buu's resurrection... And when we go super saiyan, we are closer to our primal state... Strange ideas cross our mind... Especially when we do it for the first time. I'm very powerful, but I'm old too. I was born with 60 years of experience and good morals. When my son becomes super saiyan, he'd be less prepared. The peaceful Gokû became violent when he turned super saiyan, and so did Vegeta. He would've destroyed Freeza's entire empire; His rival and the cyborgs just happened to be higher priorities. With MY strength, however, they could have destroyed the planet just by pure accident."

“Once again, you were pure Saiyans. Your three sons hadn't shown such symptoms when they became super saiyans.”

“True, but Super Saiyan 2 could do it. Gohan completely changed during his first time.”

The chief of the Namekians fell silent again to think and to get in thoughts in order.

“You're just giving excuses.”

“I'm sorry?”

“Even if your offspring were to lose his mind, he'd remain your son. And he'd remain less powerful than you for a long while... You'd make him see reason. Your son isn't the problem; You are.”

“But I just told you that...”

“... that you can control yourself. But you fear that someday, you'll fail. There's a dark side in you, and you're afraid. You think your son will have it too.”

“I'm the problem?”

“Much more than your son would be. Maybe your son will have to bring you to heel.”

“...”
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:58 pm

Salagir seems like he wants Vegito to be the main threat and Bra is a red herring. Intreasting that they keep saying a Son the dicussion.

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Post by YamiGoku » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 pm

This has to be the farthest from the Original this manga has felt to me, this feels more like something from Naruto, from the edgy approach to the trope of revealing the backstory of the villain when the climax is over instead of making us care for her before the eternal fight.

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Post by Jack Bz » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:39 pm

It is hard for me looking at this page to imagine that there is even a hint of the Goku that I know in this Vegito. Convincing your own child that you're going to kill them one day, whether as a real threat or as a way to encourage them to train, I'm just not a fan. It's just child abuse.

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Post by CashmanX » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:44 pm

I really hope that the reason Salager didn't include the hierarchy from Battle of Gods and beyond isn't because it would contradict this lovely plot twist years later. :lolno:
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Post by Marco Polo » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:45 pm

YamiGoku wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 pm
This has to be the farthest from the Original this manga has felt to me, this feels more like something from Naruto, from the edgy approach to the trope of revealing the backstory of the villain when the climax is over instead of making us care for her before the eternal fight.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by YamiGoku » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:34 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:45 pm
YamiGoku wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 pm
This has to be the farthest from the Original this manga has felt to me, this feels more like something from Naruto, from the edgy approach to the trope of revealing the backstory of the villain when the climax is over instead of making us care for her before the eternal fight.
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???

Edgy: No

you can say Black may have somewhat edgy appearance but he dosnt have a tragic dark backstory to appeal teens like the supposed more "adult" (edgy) story of Naruto.

Backstory afther the climax: No

Mystery of character true identity (wich was revealed before the final climax) =/= having the backstory of the villain (and the reason of why we should care) after the climax.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kanassa » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:35 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:45 pm
YamiGoku wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:10 pm
This has to be the farthest from the Original this manga has felt to me, this feels more like something from Naruto, from the edgy approach to the trope of revealing the backstory of the villain when the climax is over instead of making us care for her before the eternal fight.
Black's backstory was revealed long before the Merged Zamasu fight? What are you trying to say?
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:


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