#1) I think it's more weird you think you can dictate to anyone how their own list should go for whatever reason. You ain't the top 12 list god.MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:57 pmThe influence on later worse arcs shouldn’t impact the critique on the Saiyan arc. That’s just weird.FoolsGil wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:52 pm Well to each their own, but imho the budding bad aspects of the franchise culminate at the Saiyan arc, and the series adds more flaws at this point. It may have been a game changer way back when, (along with aging up Goku in the 23rd Budokai) but knowing what we know now, and the franchise's lows along with its highs, I point at the Saiyan Arc for those reasons, and I could personally never see this arc anywhere in the top 5
#2) TFS' list is full of statements about a saga's impact or least amount of impact not only for it's future or the franchise at a whole. The Hunt For The Dragonballs Saga is low on the totem precisely because of it's lack of impact from the rest of the series, no matter how well written, funny, and overall great it is.
The formula actually began when Goku effortlessly defeat Tao at Korin's tower. But I said culminate. from Tao's defeat onward, the story really hampered on Goku being miles above anyone else, but the Saiyan arc he becomes Mr. Deus Ex Machina. That's the sort of thing that brings the arc down for me.