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Re: Official "Super DB Heroes 2018 Promotional Anime" Discussion Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:02 pm

omegacwa wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:00 pm
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I know people like to defecate on Super, but it had a lot of really good moments. It could have been better, but it wasn't awful, especially after you endure (or skip) the recreations of the BoG and RoF stories.
I fully agree. I enjoyed Super very much even with its animation hiccups.
I also really like Super, warts and all.

If Super wants to make another comeback, I would advise it takes its time.
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Re: Official "Super DB Heroes 2018 Promotional Anime" Discussion Thread

Post by Grimlock » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:59 pm
it wasn't awful, especially after you endure (or skip) the recreations of the BoG and RoF stories.
After enduring (or skipping) terrible retellings, people will have to endure (or better yet, skip too) two tournaments almost simultaneously.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:37 pm

I liked the music. Also was Hearts doing Rozie's style with those ki blasts? It looked like it.
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Post by Shaddy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:59 pm
it wasn't awful, especially after you endure (or skip) the recreations of the BoG and RoF stories.
After enduring (or skipping) terrible retellings, people will have to endure (or better yet, skip too) two tournaments almost simultaneously.
That would be your problem, thinking everyone would follow your personal definition of tournaments as inherently evil voids where no storytelling happens and everything is "not new".

Which is a bit of a fucking stretch, to say the absolute least. Most people judge things based on...y'know, whether they're good.
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Post by DHM211 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:09 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote:
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Also they actually managed to make transformation into SSJB look COOL for the very first time. Especially if you compare it to lame debut this form had in RoF movie/arc.
You weren't a fan of how Goku went SSB in Broly?
Nope. Extreme amount of random colors ruined it. I didn't like effects in this movie at all.
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Re: Official "Super DB Heroes 2018 Promotional Anime" Discussion Thread

Post by ZeroNeonix » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:59 pm
it wasn't awful, especially after you endure (or skip) the recreations of the BoG and RoF stories.
After enduring (or skipping) terrible retellings, people will have to endure (or better yet, skip too) two tournaments almost simultaneously.
I liked the Universal Tournament, and I liked the Tournament of Power. It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem. Even then, the ToP did feel like it was increasing the stakes, even if we already had a pretty good idea how it would end. The idea of the thing being a test from the Omnikings felt a bit cheap, though. If Super were a bit longer, with more new stories under its belt, it wouldn't really be much of an issue. It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.

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Re: Official "Super DB Heroes 2018 Promotional Anime" Discussion Thread

Post by ZeroNeonix » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:11 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:58 pm
DHM211 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:59 am
sunsetshimmer wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:39 am
Also they actually managed to make transformation into SSJB look COOL for the very first time. Especially if you compare it to lame debut this form had in RoF movie/arc.
You weren't a fan of how Goku went SSB in Broly?
Nope. Extreme amount of random colors ruined it. I didn't like effects in this movie at all.
While I think Super Broly looked great in general, the random colors that flashed when Goku and Vegeta transformed was a little weird to me. That never happened before. While the white could possibly be interpreted as Goku attempting to reach Ultra Instinct and being unable to, the green didn't make sense.

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Post by JazzMazz » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:23 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:11 pm
sunsetshimmer wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:58 pm
DHM211 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:59 am


You weren't a fan of how Goku went SSB in Broly?
Nope. Extreme amount of random colors ruined it. I didn't like effects in this movie at all.
While I think Super Broly looked great in general, the random colors that flashed when Goku and Vegeta transformed was a little weird to me. That never happened before. While the white could possibly be interpreted as Goku attempting to reach Ultra Instinct and being unable to, the green didn't make sense.
I'm pretty sure it was an artistic decision to make usually straight forward and stagnant transformation sequences feel like an actual change, with physical stress on the user. Its not exactly unheard of either, Fusion Reborn did something similar with the super Saiyan 3 transformation.

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Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:14 pm

Best episode by FAR. Sure they reused some bits from Super but it worked really well. Also this was by far the Best SS Blue transformation next to Goku doing it the Broly movie, it actually FELT powerful.
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Re: Official "Super DB Heroes 2018 Promotional Anime" Discussion Thread

Post by Grimlock » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:06 am

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm
It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem.
That is correct. Make tournaments if you want, but only after a couple of sagas with a proper story and such. Tournaments should be once in a while, not every freaking time. Tying a tournament with a plot wouldn't hurt, by the way. And Tournament of Power had the potential for that...
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It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.
Dragon Ball wasn't released in the 21st century, year 2015, modern times. And to top things off, Dragon Ball had three tournaments for three sagas with something going on. It was "kinda" balanced. There were Pilaf saga, Red Ribbon saga and Piccolo Daimaoh saga.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:19 am

The format of the ToP was different from any tournament we've had before
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Post by Kataphrut » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:08 am

My hot take is that the Tournament of Power felt like the first modern DB story to show progression since Resurrection F. It took things beyond the formula of Goku and Vegeta training with Whis and taking it in turns to fight one-off bad guys. It's disappointing that the next mainline stories, Broly and Moro, went back to that formula, while this Heroes promotional anime is using ideas that would be better suited to a full-blown sequel.

And now it's getting good animation cuts on top of that? This franchise is in such a weird place at the moment.

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Post by Draconic » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:45 am

Well, after seeing all the praise for this episode I decided to take a look and... well... it's deserved. This episode is pretty freaking great. So good job, Heroes anime. You did good for once.

I dropped this thing months ago, can't even remember after what episode, but this episode made me hop back in and checked out the others I missed out on too. The previous one with Golden Cooler was the only decent one.

But hey, it's two good episodes in a row, so I'll keep up with it from now on, in case another great one like this pops up every so often.

This episode had no right to be as great as it was, so if they have episodes a quarter as good as this one was, it would fulfil all my expectations I had when this was announced. I just want these characters to look and sound cool while they fight... not looking for much here.
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Post by HeroR » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:07 pm

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Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:14 pm
Best episode by FAR. Sure they reused some bits from Super but it worked really well. Also this was by far the Best SS Blue transformation next to Goku doing it the Broly movie, it actually FELT powerful.
That's just Shida referencing himself. Just like he loves the head shaking you see Goku do in Battle of Gods, the TOP before he decks Jiren in 130, and Broly when he's told to attack.
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Post by HeroR » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:59 pm
it wasn't awful, especially after you endure (or skip) the recreations of the BoG and RoF stories.
After enduring (or skipping) terrible retellings, people will have to endure (or better yet, skip too) two tournaments almost simultaneously.
I liked the Universal Tournament, and I liked the Tournament of Power. It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem. Even then, the ToP did feel like it was increasing the stakes, even if we already had a pretty good idea how it would end. The idea of the thing being a test from the Omnikings felt a bit cheap, though. If Super were a bit longer, with more new stories under its belt, it wouldn't really be much of an issue. It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.

But no watches Dragon Ball.

Wish I was kidding. Also, Dragon Ball had 4 tournaments and Muscle Tower was based on a tournament formate as Toriyama stated in an old interview.
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Re: Official "Super DB Heroes 2018 Promotional Anime" Discussion Thread

Post by ZeroNeonix » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:18 pm

HeroR wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 pm


After enduring (or skipping) terrible retellings, people will have to endure (or better yet, skip too) two tournaments almost simultaneously.
I liked the Universal Tournament, and I liked the Tournament of Power. It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem. Even then, the ToP did feel like it was increasing the stakes, even if we already had a pretty good idea how it would end. The idea of the thing being a test from the Omnikings felt a bit cheap, though. If Super were a bit longer, with more new stories under its belt, it wouldn't really be much of an issue. It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.

But no watches Dragon Ball.

Wish I was kidding. Also, Dragon Ball had 4 tournaments and Muscle Tower was based on a tournament formate as Toriyama stated in an old interview.
Yeah, not enough people watch the original Dragon Ball. Starting with Z in America colored our expectations for the series, and Dragon Ball was just different enough to turn Z fans off. Personally, I like DB, but for different reasons than why I like Z.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:08 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:18 pm
HeroR wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm


I liked the Universal Tournament, and I liked the Tournament of Power. It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem. Even then, the ToP did feel like it was increasing the stakes, even if we already had a pretty good idea how it would end. The idea of the thing being a test from the Omnikings felt a bit cheap, though. If Super were a bit longer, with more new stories under its belt, it wouldn't really be much of an issue. It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.

But no watches Dragon Ball.

Wish I was kidding. Also, Dragon Ball had 4 tournaments and Muscle Tower was based on a tournament formate as Toriyama stated in an old interview.
Yeah, not enough people watch the original Dragon Ball. Starting with Z in America colored our expectations for the series, and Dragon Ball was just different enough to turn Z fans off. Personally, I like DB, but for different reasons than why I like Z.
I remember watching and enjoying both on Toonami.

In fact I loved Dragonball because it explained so many things that DBZ never did. It was like getting the 'origin stories' of all of the characters.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:28 pm

HeroR wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 pm


After enduring (or skipping) terrible retellings, people will have to endure (or better yet, skip too) two tournaments almost simultaneously.
I liked the Universal Tournament, and I liked the Tournament of Power. It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem. Even then, the ToP did feel like it was increasing the stakes, even if we already had a pretty good idea how it would end. The idea of the thing being a test from the Omnikings felt a bit cheap, though. If Super were a bit longer, with more new stories under its belt, it wouldn't really be much of an issue. It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.

But no watches Dragon Ball.

Wish I was kidding. Also, Dragon Ball had 4 tournaments and Muscle Tower was based on a tournament formate as Toriyama stated in an old interview.
The DB tournaments weren’t 45 episodes long though.

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Post by HeroR » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:39 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:28 pm
HeroR wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm


I liked the Universal Tournament, and I liked the Tournament of Power. It's just that they did them both so close together that was the problem. Even then, the ToP did feel like it was increasing the stakes, even if we already had a pretty good idea how it would end. The idea of the thing being a test from the Omnikings felt a bit cheap, though. If Super were a bit longer, with more new stories under its belt, it wouldn't really be much of an issue. It's not like the original Dragon Ball didn't have several tournament arcs. How many was it? Four? Yet nobody complains about that.

But no watches Dragon Ball.

Wish I was kidding. Also, Dragon Ball had 4 tournaments and Muscle Tower was based on a tournament formate as Toriyama stated in an old interview.
The DB tournaments weren’t 45 episodes long though.
What does length have to do with it? One of the best arcs in Yu Yu Hakusho was a tournament that last just as long as the TOP and was over half the show/manga. You can argued quality, but length isn't really a factor.
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Post by KingKaash » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:21 am

Art and animation were great in Episode 13! And I was waiting to see what it would take to break out of Heart's Gravity Burst because it even kept Jiren down. All it took was Goku unleashing his SSJB power so I was a little disappointed by that. But I get that it's promotional anime so there's no real storytelling here. It would've made more sense for Goku to use Kaio-Ken to break free but oh well.

I still don't get how Hearts will be able to challenge Zeno if he's only even with SSJB Goku. Probably has to do with the Universe Seed I'm guessing
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