Kame-sennin vs Muten Roshi
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Kame-sennin vs Muten Roshi
Which one do you use and where do they originate? I know that Kame is turtle. What about Roshi?
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Kame-Senin roughly translates to Turtle Hermit, and that's the title most characters use towards him in the Japanese version. Muten Roshi is a title that means something like "Invincible Old Master," basically Akira Toriyama combining fancy kanji to get across the idea that he's a mystical, prestigiuous figure in martial arts. Muten Roshi is his more formal title, while Kame Senin appears to be his regular identifier.
I use Master Roshi because of the dub, even if Turtle Hermit is more correct.
I use Master Roshi because of the dub, even if Turtle Hermit is more correct.
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Re: Kame-sennin vs Muten Roshi
I think a lot of peopel will be in the "Master Roshi" camp, just out of habit, and then, for the sake of convenience, just "Roshi", so i guess i'd have to go with Muten Roshi on this one.
I very rarely refer to him as Kame-sennin or The Turtle Hermit.
I very rarely refer to him as Kame-sennin or The Turtle Hermit.
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Muten Roshi is his name. Kame Sennin is his title.
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I think that Herms sums it up well enough in one of his old guide threads:
I normally just call him "Roshi" most of the time. Also, I personally think that his original name is probably unknown. "Muten" sounds like a name that he took at some point after he mastered the martial arts.
Muten Roushi (Kame-sennin)
武/mu stands for all things martial, while 天/ten means “heaven” and 老師/roushi means an old master or teacher. For the name “Kame-sennin”, 亀/kame means “turtle”, while 仙人/sennin is a type of sage or saint in Japanese folklore. To quote the Encyclopedia Mythica: “The immortal spirit of a saint living in the mountains in Japanese mythology. This saint, a hermit, who has acquired so much merit by his asceticism that he can perform miracles, such as speaking after death, flying on the back of a tortoise or on a cloud, or causing a gourd to give birth to a horse. Sennins may speak to mortals in dreams or appear in the shape of ordinary men. They are accompanied by their familiars: a toad, a horse, or a tortoise.” The Japanese sennins are derived from the Xian of Chinese Daoism.
Toriyama Explanation: “There really isn’t any great reason; ‘Kame-sennin’ just didn’t seem like all that amazing a name for whatever reason, so I thought up a name that sounded suitably renowned and powerful.” [DBF]
I normally just call him "Roshi" most of the time. Also, I personally think that his original name is probably unknown. "Muten" sounds like a name that he took at some point after he mastered the martial arts.
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Probably one of the few times I prefer the dub name, even if FUNI's translations make no sense. Seems they thought Roshi was his actually name. And changed "Muten" to "Master" because most old sensei are called "Master" in society.
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So wait, does Master Roshi not have an actual given name? lol
EDIT: Apparently so.
EDIT: Apparently so.
Like his rival, Master Shen, Master Roshi is not given a real name in the original Japanese version, as Kamesennin and Muten Rōshi are both merely titles meaning "Turtle Hermit" and "Old Heavenly Martial Arts Master", respectively.
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Re: Kame-sennin vs Muten Roshi
karin is the only one of goku's masters in the original manga to really have a name, which definitely has been lost in translation, not that i think it was intentional on toriyama's part.
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The name is Turtle Hermit or Muten Roshi therefore I use it, sticking to a nonsensical name for the sake of it is something I can only really imagine doing if I had a brain injury and was too stubborn move past that bullshit, while I was at it I’d probably just rewrite the entire series as well and keep the name.
To answer the question, yes, it’s Turtle Hermit. Master Roshi sounds like Roshi is his actual name, it really doesn’t stick well to what is intended.
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ROFL yo to think all these years no one actually bothered abt his name and suchCursed Lemon wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:07 pm So wait, does Master Roshi not have an actual given name? lol
EDIT: Apparently so.
Like his rival, Master Shen, Master Roshi is not given a real name in the original Japanese version, as Kamesennin and Muten Rōshi are both merely titles meaning "Turtle Hermit" and "Old Heavenly Martial Arts Master", respectively.
I address him as Roshi. And yeah, I think I've mentioned this few times before. Always wanted proper backstory of Roshi & his relationship with Mutaito Sama. Would be nice to watch at least.
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Roshi of "Master Roshi" stuck in my mind, so I mostly use Muten Roshi, but when recently exposed to "Kame Sennin" I use that too. I never thought about it, but I think I prefer Kame Sennin (and now will probably end up using it more unconsciously)