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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:08 am

PurestEvil wrote:
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Wanna live action “Dragon Ball”-esque film? Watch a Journey to the West adaptation
Or Child of Peach series


Or any Jackie Chan movie in the 70s

Or

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Post by Yuli Ban » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:11 am

I still maintain that Child of Peach did Dragon Ball in live action so well that it's genuinely Legally-Not-Dragon Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdgyfugzUs

Like holy shit, it's perfect
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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by PurestEvil » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:26 am

Yuli Ban wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:11 am
I still maintain that Child of Peach did Dragon Ball in live action so well that it's genuinely Legally-Not-Dragon Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdgyfugzUs

Like holy shit, it's perfect
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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by Kunzait_83 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:09 am

Yuli Ban wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:11 am
I still maintain that Child of Peach did Dragon Ball in live action so well that it's genuinely Legally-Not-Dragon Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdgyfugzUs

Like holy shit, it's perfect
Wrote about those movies in the original Wuxia thread.

Honestly guys, we can just end any and all "live action Dragon Ball" discussion from here on out with "just go watch the Child of Peach movies" and be done with it.

It literally IS Dragon Ball in all but fucking name. Down to the insane, demented sense of whimsy and toilet humor mixed with slapstick, supernatural kung fu nonsense and super strong wild mountain boy/country bumpkin martial arts savant hero played by a female actress and his talking animal sidekicks. They made this in live action to the exact letter back in the early/mid 1980s, back when DB itself was BARELY just starting.

At this point if all these examples that have BEEN out there for decades and decades and decades isn't enough to satisfy your itch for "live action Dragon Ball", then at a certain level it really IS just about purely "I need Hollywood/Disney and Marvel to validate my interests" rather than just wanting to see this done in live action simply for its own sake and for enjoyment.
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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:11 am

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:09 am
Yuli Ban wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:11 am
I still maintain that Child of Peach did Dragon Ball in live action so well that it's genuinely Legally-Not-Dragon Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdgyfugzUs

Like holy shit, it's perfect
Wrote about those movies in the original Wuxia thread.

Honestly guys, we can just end any and all "live action Dragon Ball" discussion from here on out with "just go watch the Child of Peach movies" and be done with it.

It literally IS Dragon Ball in all but fucking name. Down to the insane, demented sense of whimsy and toilet humor mixed with slapstick, supernatural kung fu nonsense and super strong wild mountain boy/country bumpkin martial arts savant hero played by a female actress and his talking animal sidekicks. They made this in live action to the exact letter back in the early/mid 1980s, back when DB itself was BARELY just starting.

At this point if all these examples that have BEEN out there for decades and decades and decades isn't enough to satisfy your itch for "live action Dragon Ball", then at a certain level it really IS just about purely "I need Hollywood/Disney and Marvel to validate my interests" rather than just wanting to see this done in live action simply for its own sake and for enjoyment.
I wouldn’t say it’s wrong if fans specifically want a good live action Dragon Ball movie with the Dragon Ball IP.


But these 1,000,000,000 threads of “Omg is this [insert current movie blockbuster of the super hero variety] proof a Dragon Ball live action movie could work?!?!?” all get silly when Dragon Ball’s DNA is rooted in films that have been around forever and yes, Child of Peach, a movie that came out before Dragon Ball even left Japan and went international, is about as close to a live action Dragon Ball as one could get. Far more so than Marvel Movie #46913

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Post by WittyUsername » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:34 pm

When people talk about a hypothetical new live action Dragon Ball movie, they’re almost always referring specifically to a mainstream Hollywood adaptation. In that sense, Shang-Chi is about as close as they’re likely to get to that, since I seriously doubt there’s going to be another live action Dragon Ball movie anytime in the near future. Hollywood has plenty of Western IP’s that they’re busy milking.

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Post by Demon Prince Piccolo » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:44 pm

To be fair, I think people are talking purely visual effects spectacle when they mention Shang-Chi shows Dragon Ball could work; from a visual standpoint, stuff is being done that wasn't possible back then. As far as the main template though, of course the Dragon Ball-structure has worked cinematically many times over.
The story of DRAGON BALL starts from the moment Goku met Bulma. I don't really mind the Z, so long as it's understood that it's not the true beginning of the story.

I actually prefer the Goku vs Tenshinhan and Goku vs Piccolo Jr. rivalries to the Goku vs Vegeta rivalry.

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Post by MyVisionity » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:53 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:09 am
At this point if all these examples that have BEEN out there for decades and decades and decades isn't enough to satisfy your itch for "live action Dragon Ball", then at a certain level it really IS just about purely "I need Hollywood/Disney and Marvel to validate my interests" rather than just wanting to see this done in live action simply for its own sake and for enjoyment.
It's not about validation. For many, the mainstream Hollywood blockbuster culture is everything, and any kind of foreign production just doesn't hold the same value. For better or worse.

When is any film or tv series ever truly viewed simply for its own sake and for enjoyment? Especially something as popular as Dragon Ball. I know that when I watch a show or movie, it's always about the other people out there watching, to one extent or another. A Hollywood adaptation ensures that as many people as possible will be watching, which also amplifies the enjoyment.

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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by Yuli Ban » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:22 pm

MyVisionity wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:53 pm
When is any film or tv series ever truly viewed simply for its own sake and for enjoyment?
If you're not watching something for your own enjoyment, you're not a fan of it; you're just peer pressured into watching it and thus ARE seeking validation. Simple as that. Caring about the wider audience reaction alongside you is, for most works, secondary at absolute best and missing the point at worst.

Would explain why so many fans despise what Dragon Ball Z actually is, as well as why Star Wars fans are so often insufferably angry— there's a massive gulf between what their so-called object of affection actually is vs. what they desperately want it to be because they're not actually watching it for their own enjoyment.
That on TOP OF the flaws inherent in these works, not because of them.
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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by MyVisionity » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:33 pm

Yuli Ban wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:22 pm
MyVisionity wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:53 pm
When is any film or tv series ever truly viewed simply for its own sake and for enjoyment?
If you're not watching something for your own enjoyment, you're not a fan of it; you're just peer pressured into watching it and thus ARE seeking validation. Simple as that.
It's never entirely about ones own enjoyment. It can't be, for something that is available to millions and millions of people. The knowledge and awareness that other people are watching is always there, it can't be disconnected.

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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:14 pm

MyVisionity wrote:
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It's not about validation. For many, the mainstream Hollywood blockbuster culture is everything, and any kind of foreign production just doesn't hold the same value. For better or worse.
How is that not validation?

This thing I like is mainsteam! Yay. Because whenever we get the gazillion “Can Dragon Ball work in live action?” its almost always under the lense of a big blockbuster like Marvel or Star Wars. The idea of a goody low budget Dragon Ball movie made in Japan or China just wouldn’t count.

When is any film or tv series ever truly viewed simply for its own sake and for enjoyment?
I would argue most normal people watch film/tv for enjoyment or because it connects to them on a personal level which usually ties back to enjoyment (feeling validated, feeling less alone, understanding one self better) with Dragon Ball it aint that deep. It’s either A. Nostalgia B. A general enjoyment of action oriented anime C. A love of goofy martial arts schlock D. Thirsting over buff almost always shirtless cartoon dudes

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Post by Demon Prince Piccolo » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:05 pm

MyVisionity wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:53 pm
When is any film or tv series ever truly viewed simply for its own sake and for enjoyment? Especially something as popular as Dragon Ball. I know that when I watch a show or movie, it's always about the other people out there watching, to one extent or another. A Hollywood adaptation ensures that as many people as possible will be watching, which also amplifies the enjoyment.
I can 100% confirm that this is NOT how I watch any show or movie. The only time other people's opinions affect my viewing experience is if I'm re-watching something I love with a friend or family member who is seeing it for the first time. But I don't need them to enjoy it to validate my own enjoyment.
The story of DRAGON BALL starts from the moment Goku met Bulma. I don't really mind the Z, so long as it's understood that it's not the true beginning of the story.

I actually prefer the Goku vs Tenshinhan and Goku vs Piccolo Jr. rivalries to the Goku vs Vegeta rivalry.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:13 pm

I've never had any real bad experiences in the theater. Then again, that might be because I usually see movies a few weeks after they're already out, so not many people are there in those showings.
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Re: Shang-Chi film has a DB homage

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:58 pm

Sort of related: Shang-Chi director Daniel Destin Cretton will work on an adaptation of the comic "American-Born Chinese", about a Chinese American living in America trying to come to terms with his dual heritage, with the help of the Monkey King.

https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/destin- ... isney.html

More and more this director feels like a suitable candidate for a DB film.
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