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Re: Dragon Ball Super Gets Cancelled Overseas Over Sexual Harassment Claims

Post by VegettoEX » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:45 am

Duo wrote:
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To stray more on-topic, though...I guess I really don't find most of Muten-Roshi's antics more offensive than that casual joke about Jaco accidentally committing genocide against an entire planet. I suppose Kame-sennin's perverted actions are a little more "down to earth", so-to-speak, but genocide is also a bad thing that people shouldn't do.
I really don't understand the confusion.

I could walk outside and accost the first woman I see.

I cannot walk outside and accidentally let loose a human extinction bomb.

One action is a reflection of everyday life that can be and is regularly done.

One is an obvious exaggerated impossibility of fiction.
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Post by Koitsukai » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:51 am

Funny enough, the anime had that awful episode, and then tried to fix Roshi's behaviour, he overcame it by the ToP, after some questionable scenes and episodes, he was "cured"... and then comes the manga in the following arc and Roshi is trying to rape girls in bushes... and even says "oh they are fat now, nice, I don't want to attack them anymore".

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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:56 am

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:51 am
Funny enough, the anime had that awful episode, and then tried to fix Roshi's behaviour, he overcame it by the ToP, after some questionable scenes and episodes, he was "cured"... and then comes the manga in the following arc and Roshi is trying to rape girls in bushes... and even says "oh they are fat now, nice, I don't want to attack them anymore".
Toyo-tarou was really out there giving himself away as thinking it was fine to uncritically write a protagonist as 1.) Commenting on how a woman looks and 2.) Calling fat women unattractive.

Like, I could make fun of his looks but that'd be pretty petty and irrelevant. His personality is ugly enough. :crazy:
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Gets Cancelled Overseas Over Sexual Harassment Claims

Post by Duo » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:54 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:45 am

I really don't understand the confusion.

I could walk outside and accost the first woman I see.

I cannot walk outside and accidentally let loose a human extinction bomb.

One action is a reflection of everyday life that can be and is regularly done.

One is an obvious exaggerated impossibility of fiction.
The point is that gag fiction makes light of some seriously dark matters at times, regardless of your ability to perform those actions.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:39 pm

Duo wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:54 pm
VegettoEX wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:45 am

I really don't understand the confusion.

I could walk outside and accost the first woman I see.

I cannot walk outside and accidentally let loose a human extinction bomb.

One action is a reflection of everyday life that can be and is regularly done.

One is an obvious exaggerated impossibility of fiction.
The point is that gag fiction makes light of some seriously dark matters at times, regardless of your ability to perform those actions.
The vast majority, like I’m gonna say 99 percent of people would agree that genocide is BAD.

Sexual assault is normalized and minimalized all the time.


This. Isn’t. Hard.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:08 pm

I think this is stupid.

If they have problems with some scenes just censor those like back in the day, or skip that episode altogether if they find it so polemic.
DBS has 131 episodes and the other episodes aren't like that. Cancel the entire anime is exaggerated. I can't agree with that.
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Post by Koitsukai » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:09 pm

MasenkoHA wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:39 pm
Duo wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:54 pm
VegettoEX wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:45 am

I really don't understand the confusion.

I could walk outside and accost the first woman I see.

I cannot walk outside and accidentally let loose a human extinction bomb.

One action is a reflection of everyday life that can be and is regularly done.

One is an obvious exaggerated impossibility of fiction.
The point is that gag fiction makes light of some seriously dark matters at times, regardless of your ability to perform those actions.
The vast majority, like I’m gonna say 99 percent of people would agree that genocide is BAD.

Sexual assault is normalized and minimalized all the time.


This. Isn’t. Hard.
I was going to say the same thing. Genocide is the worst or among the worst things humanity has done, nobody will speak in its favour, however sexual harrasment is not even acknowledged, there's always the "I was joking" excuse, even for these kind of gags, like it's not even an issue.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:20 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:09 pm
MasenkoHA wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:39 pm
Duo wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:54 pm


The point is that gag fiction makes light of some seriously dark matters at times, regardless of your ability to perform those actions.
The vast majority, like I’m gonna say 99 percent of people would agree that genocide is BAD.

Sexual assault is normalized and minimalized all the time.


This. Isn’t. Hard.
I was going to say the same thing. Genocide is the worst or among the worst things humanity has done, nobody will speak in its favour, however sexual harrasment is not even acknowledged, there's always the "I was joking" excuse, even for these kind of gags, like it's not even an issue.
It's not even just the fact that a lot of cases of sexual harassment aren't even acknowledged. There have been many cases where it's outright encouraged.

Rape culture does exist folks.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:27 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:08 pm
I think this is stupid.

If they have problems with some scenes just censor those like back in the day, or skip that episode altogether if they find it so polemic.
DBS has 131 episodes and the other episodes aren't like that. Cancel the entire anime is exaggerated. I can't agree with that.
Hey bestie, this has already been covered multiple times on this thread.

They’re not cancelling Dragon Ball Super, Cartoon Network and Warner Media just temporarily pulled it from their schedule to go through and edit the series before re-airing it

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Post by WittyUsername » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:49 pm

Koitsukai wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:51 am
Funny enough, the anime had that awful episode, and then tried to fix Roshi's behaviour, he overcame it by the ToP, after some questionable scenes and episodes, he was "cured"... and then comes the manga in the following arc and Roshi is trying to rape girls in bushes... and even says "oh they are fat now, nice, I don't want to attack them anymore".
The anime still has Roshi eliminating a female fighter by threatening to sexually assault her, but I guess for what it’s worth, she tries to seduce him first. Still, she’s clearly pretty horrified by his threat.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:23 pm

Shaddy wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:24 pm
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Fine then, you win. Capitalism is always evil and communism is the perfect way to go. All communist governments that ever did anything evil were actually right-wing governments in disguise. Let's have another October Revolution, I'm sure that nothing can possibly go wrong this time. :roll:
You can't even misrepresent people consistently.
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My own political views are pretty much aligned with those of Bernie Sanders. But apparently that's not far left enough for some people, so I must be just as bad as an alt-right Neo-Nazi. :crazy:
We have passed the point of bad-faith criticism to you literally accusing other people of exactly the thing you are doing. Absolutely fucking nobody accused you of being far-right, you are the one saying the far-left and far-right are the same. Please kindly sign off this forum and go think about what kind of person you want to be if you are going to be this shitty to your community and the people trying to have a discussion.
Not the same, just prone to similarly bad points of extremism. And if those posts don't represent what you're saying, then maybe you're just a bad communicator. You did say that the USSR and China were right-wing and that communism could work if 'done properly', didn't you?
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:33 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:41 am
Duo wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:46 am
People tend to conflate Capitalism with Corporatism. It's a real shame in terms of effective communication regarding those subjects.
*snip huge rant about capitalism*
I know you probably weren't talking to me, but just in case you were, I never said that I love capitalism like some libertarian cultist. I'm in favor of limited capitalism, combined with limited socialism. Progression taxation, robust social safety nets, etc. But people should be allowed to invest and make money on their own... just not to the point where 1 rich person hordes enough that other people starve.

Because the opposite that is being proposed, communism, is just as bad when taken to the extreme. If you want to talk about human suffering and death, look at what happened in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. And of course some people will go and say 'no, no, no, that's not real communism', but that is what we got when they tried to create communist states. History shows that they just don't work, at least not at the current level of our maturity as a society. Maybe in a future where we have technology like Star Trek and don't have to worry about hunger, disease, or war, but that's way far off from now. Currently, the best model seems to be that employed by countries like Denmark, Norway, Finland, etc. Sure it's not perfect, but it's the best we can do right now, looking at all of the different models of government in the world and how well-off people are in them.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:15 pm

In addition to Masenko's lovely posts:

Men get away with being creeps to us women more often, both individually and on systemic levels.

On a separate path of discussion: women also have our rights attacked more often, although a man's right to choose to get an abortion is also constantly under threat.

Media understanding and covered of topics lile this is typically really bad and a lot of that starts at the top: everyone in power is a cishet man with zero understanding of intersectionality.
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Post by Shaddy » Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:18 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:23 pm
Not the same, just prone to similarly bad points of extremism.
A false equivalence is a false equivalence.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:23 pm
And if those posts don't represent what you're saying, then maybe you're just a bad communicator.
So I should blame myself for your dishonesty? How very rational and big-brained of you.
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You did say that the USSR and China were right-wing and that communism could work if 'done properly', didn't you?
If I'm such a bad communicator, maybe you couldn't tell what I said.
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And of course some people will go and say 'no, no, no, that's not real communism', but that is what we got when they tried to create communist states.
You can't create a "communist state". It is by-definition stateless. Anyone who calls themselves a communist and then builds a government is a liar.

But I guess no matter how many times I go over that, you'll continue spouting red-scare propaganda, as if capitalism doesn't cause more deaths every year than the black book of communism reports, even when it buffs its numbers with nazis killed in World War 2 as "victims of communism".
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Post by Dragon Ball Fangirl » Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:28 am

It's complete bullshit that Dragon Ball Super gets cancelled. People are so stupid nowadays...

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Post by PurestEvil » Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:51 am

Dragon Ball Fangirl wrote:
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It's complete bullshit that Dragon Ball Super gets cancelled. People are so stupid nowadays...
It was TEMPORARILY PULLED to edit some scenes.
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Post by Dragon Ball Fangirl » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:03 am

PurestEvil wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:51 am
Dragon Ball Fangirl wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:28 am
It's complete bullshit that Dragon Ball Super gets cancelled. People are so stupid nowadays...
It was TEMPORARILY PULLED to edit some scenes.
Really? From what I heard, it got cancelled from TV.

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Dragon Ball Fangirl wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:03 am
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It's complete bullshit that Dragon Ball Super gets cancelled. People are so stupid nowadays...
It was TEMPORARILY PULLED to edit some scenes.
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Really? From what I heard, it got cancelled from TV.
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PurestEvil wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:10 am
Dragon Ball Fangirl wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:03 am
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[quote="Dragon Ball Fangirl" post_id=<a href="tel:1717091">1717091</a> time=<a href="tel:1632310125">1632310125</a> user_id=125675]
It's complete bullshit that Dragon Ball Super gets cancelled. People are so stupid nowadays...
It was TEMPORARILY PULLED to edit some scenes.
Really? From what I heard, it got cancelled from TV.
[/quote]
After the presentation of the complaint, the Directorate of Analysis, Investigation and Monitoring analyzed the episode and identified that the scene contains abuse and subjection by a male on an adolescent. Once the claim is settled, Both from Carton Network and from Warnermedia took measures, starting by withdrawing the anime completely from the air and stated that they will proceed to edit the entire series in order to return to the air as they had been doing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/marketrese ... 43834/amp/
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Oh okay. Thanks.

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Post by Cipher » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:44 am

“Well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions...”

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