CNN: Anime, Pirating & The Economy (with DBZ)
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CNN: Anime, Pirating & The Economy (with DBZ)
Yes, this includes Dragon Ball Z, and Toei Animation. They talk about DBZ in the history of anime section at the end and show footage from Movie 1 ^_^
(And since over half of you like it, One Piece is here too).
Man, just to let you guys know. The guy makes $9,600 a year and works 10-12 hours almost every day. The poverty line in USA is $20,000 a year, which is over half of what the in-between animator makes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YYJ5DiIrn0
(And since over half of you like it, One Piece is here too).
Man, just to let you guys know. The guy makes $9,600 a year and works 10-12 hours almost every day. The poverty line in USA is $20,000 a year, which is over half of what the in-between animator makes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YYJ5DiIrn0
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Well, not everybody has the money to give for manga/anime.
There are lots of people you wouldn`t see or read any or most of the manga/anime that they download because they wouldn`t be able to afford it otherwise.
And even if they can afford it, there are also lots of people who are not willing to spend that amount of money on that manga/anime, and who would rather not see/read it instead of paying. They only watch/read it because they don`t have to pay.
In those situations, the author is not losing any money because those people wouldn`t buy it anyhow.
They only lose money when someone can afford the anime/manga and is willing to spend that money to get it, but they become satisfied with just the downloads (because if they download it but they buy it nonetheless, then the author is also not losing any money).
There are lots of people you wouldn`t see or read any or most of the manga/anime that they download because they wouldn`t be able to afford it otherwise.
And even if they can afford it, there are also lots of people who are not willing to spend that amount of money on that manga/anime, and who would rather not see/read it instead of paying. They only watch/read it because they don`t have to pay.
In those situations, the author is not losing any money because those people wouldn`t buy it anyhow.
They only lose money when someone can afford the anime/manga and is willing to spend that money to get it, but they become satisfied with just the downloads (because if they download it but they buy it nonetheless, then the author is also not losing any money).
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The problem isn't the people who can't afford it. Its the people who can but don't want to because they're lazy asses and think they're cool by watching it free and all.rereboy wrote:Well, not everybody has the money to give for manga/anime.
There are lots of people you wouldn`t see or read any or most of the manga/anime that they download because they wouldn`t be able to afford it otherwise.
And even if they can afford it, there are also lots of people who are not willing to spend that amount of money on that manga/anime, and who would rather not see/read it instead of paying. They only watch/read it because they don`t have to pay.
In those situations, the author is not losing any money because those people wouldn`t buy it anyhow.
It's like Obama Girl, she made a huge deal over Obama yet never bothered to go vote for him.
That's a pretty poor excuse (specifically the 'they wouldn't buy it either way, so it's okay for them to get it for free'). Especially if after reading/watching it for free, they then have their fill of it and have no desire to buy it when they do have the money.rereboy wrote:In those situations, the author is not losing any money because those people wouldn`t buy it anyhow.
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This much is true, though. It's complicated.rereboy wrote:Yes, I agree. (I edited the previous comment by the way).
I was just clarifying that this matter is complex and that the author doesn`t lose money everytime someone downloads his work.
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Well, again, thousands of people worked on Dragon Ball/Z (the anime). If Akira Toriyama was the only one working on the series, yeah, it doesn't work, but when you have to pay so many people, it becomes a problem.rereboy wrote:Yes, I agree. (I edited the previous comment by the way).
I was just clarifying that this matter is complex and that the author doesn`t lose money everytime someone downloads his work.
AND, AND, keep in mind, Tokyo is one of the world's most expensive cities. I've heard a cup of orange juice can be sold at like $15 there. Which means their pay is even lower than it seems
And exactly where did I say that it was okay for them to download it?Bussani wrote:That's a pretty poor excuse (specifically the 'they wouldn't buy it either way, so it's okay for them to get it for free'). Especially if after reading/watching it for free, they then have their fill of it and have no desire to buy it when they do have the money.rereboy wrote:In those situations, the author is not losing any money because those people wouldn`t buy it anyhow.
I was just clarifying a misconception that people have.
Losing money is not the sole purpose of why it is illegal to download or acquire copyrighted material, you know? (outside the legal ways of course)
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Fair enough, and I wasn't accusing you. But all your post said was "the artist isn't losing money so long as people who could/would pay for it do". It sounds like the excuse, "I don't like it enough to pay for it, so I'm not hurting anyone by downloading it." It's just an excuse -- if you really didn't like it that much, you wouldn't be curious enough to read it. If you're that curious, then it's done it's job in getting your attention and the right thing to do would be to pay.rereboy wrote:And exactly where did I say that it was okay for them to download it?Bussani wrote:That's a pretty poor excuse (specifically the 'they wouldn't buy it either way, so it's okay for them to get it for free'). Especially if after reading/watching it for free, they then have their fill of it and have no desire to buy it when they do have the money.rereboy wrote:In those situations, the author is not losing any money because those people wouldn`t buy it anyhow.
I was just clarifying a misconception that people have.
Losing money is not the sole purpose of why it is illegal to download or acquire copyrighted material, you know? (outside the legal ways of course)
Again, not accusing you yourself. Just the imaginary people who think that way.
You failed to grasp what I was trying to say, thats all . And I understood your logic.
I will explain better:
It will always be wrong to benefit from someone`s hard work without giving them compensation for it, especially when that work is something copyrighted and therefore protected under law.
But that doesn`t mean that all the situations have the same monetary consequences to the author and to the companies that distribute his or her work.
There are people from who the author and the companies won`t receive any compensation for the product, no matter what happens. But some of those people still get to benefit from the product because they download it.
It is still wrong because they benefit from something they didn`t pay, but if we look at all the scenarios we realize that they would never pay for it, they would rather not have it or they can not afford it.
So we can not say that they are losing money in each download, which is a general misconception. Doesn`t make it right though.
I will explain better:
It will always be wrong to benefit from someone`s hard work without giving them compensation for it, especially when that work is something copyrighted and therefore protected under law.
But that doesn`t mean that all the situations have the same monetary consequences to the author and to the companies that distribute his or her work.
There are people from who the author and the companies won`t receive any compensation for the product, no matter what happens. But some of those people still get to benefit from the product because they download it.
It is still wrong because they benefit from something they didn`t pay, but if we look at all the scenarios we realize that they would never pay for it, they would rather not have it or they can not afford it.
So we can not say that they are losing money in each download, which is a general misconception. Doesn`t make it right though.
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Just sharing some comments from Arlong Park (One Piece) forums:
"Shit man. That is just sad, I knew animators didn't make much (which is a shame cause it's hard as shit), but I had no idea they made that little! Makes you wonder what manga artists like Oda make. I presume they're set up pretty good."
"I will never watch One Piece online again (maybe not any other Toei Anime perhaps, not sure)
I just feel so damn bad now"
"Shit man. That is just sad, I knew animators didn't make much (which is a shame cause it's hard as shit), but I had no idea they made that little! Makes you wonder what manga artists like Oda make. I presume they're set up pretty good."
"I will never watch One Piece online again (maybe not any other Toei Anime perhaps, not sure)
I just feel so damn bad now"
I grasped all of this. Again, I wasn't accusing you of saying it was okay. It just reminded me of these other situations.rereboy wrote:You failed to grasp what I was trying to say, thats all . And I understood your logic.
I will explain better:
It will always be wrong to benefit from someone`s hard work without giving them compensation for it, especially when that work is something copyrighted and therefore protected under law.
But that doesn`t mean that all the situations have the same monetary consequences to the author and to the companies that distribute his or her work.
There are people from who the author and the companies won`t receive any compensation for the product, no matter what happens. But some of those people still get to benefit from the product because they download it.
It is still wrong because they benefit from something they didn`t pay, but if we look at all the scenarios we realize that they would never pay for it, they would rather not have it or they can not afford it.
So we can not say that they are losing money in each download, which is a general misconception. Doesn`t make it right though.
With respect to downloading, I think there are two groups of people in the anime downloading community. The first are not a problem; they download the episodes, keep them until they become available to purchase on DVD or otherwise, and then delete them. It's tantamount to Tivo-ing.
The other group, those who download and keep them forever, or worse, download them, sell them, and profit for doing nothing are the actual problem. This is how money is prevented from getting back to those responsible for bringing out a series.
The other group, those who download and keep them forever, or worse, download them, sell them, and profit for doing nothing are the actual problem. This is how money is prevented from getting back to those responsible for bringing out a series.
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But the thing is, the second group is FAR larger than the first group.xzero wrote:With respect to downloading, I think there are two groups of people in the anime downloading community. The first are not a problem; they download the episodes, keep them until they become available to purchase on DVD or otherwise, and then delete them. It's tantamount to Tivo-ing.
The other group, those who download and keep them forever, or worse, download them, sell them, and profit for doing nothing are the actual problem. This is how money is prevented from getting back to those responsible for bringing out a series.
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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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Once I have a good job, I'd actually start buying Japanese DVDs of stuff that's not out here, the economy and anime industry neeeeeds us, and buying overpriced japanese imports of shit we won't see for decades is a good way to help, like people who buy Dragon Box singles new.
I'd like to get stuff like Gash Bell and the "Lupin the Box" and Gundam box sets.
I'd like to get stuff like Gash Bell and the "Lupin the Box" and Gundam box sets.