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Post by penguintruth » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:27 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:I'm curious what penguin and Kunzait think of the old Dragon Ball dub from 1995, if only because I've never heard them comment on it before.
I've only ever seen pieces of it on the internet. My first exposure to the DB world was the syndication of DBZ. I haven't experienced enough of it to comment.

The theme is pretty catchy:

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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:30 pm

The dub version of Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell felt stronger playing a character theme. It was more low-key in the original, which seems off to me since it is such a big scene for Vegeta.

The original dub of movie 2 was AMAZING. Hands down the best dub DBZ has ever been (some sound effects aside, if I recall). I've said this before, but Kelamis is at once my least favorite Goku (in general) and absolute favorite (in movie 2). Also, McNeil's rage-scream in that movie was epic.

Some of the VA's. From the Ocean group- Scott McNeil, Ian Corlett, Peter Kelamis in the 2nd movie, Ted Cole. Drummond after a point. He was shitty at first, let's be honest, but he got better. And he absolutely nailed a lot of the scenes I've seen online from later in. There are a number of scenes where Sabat made my ears bleed, and the Drummond version was enjoyable. I'm not a big fan of Tiffany Vollmer's Bulma, but Lalainia Lindbjerg was alright with me. Probably because I was a huge Ronin Warriors fan before (which began airing in '95). Come to think of it, Ocean was pretty big in my life back then, with a number of their voices in Ronin Warriors, Dragon Ball, and Beast Wars all around that time. I also used to like Terry Klassen a lot, tho the later end stuff I see on Youtube isn't that great. I don't care for his Babidi, but I do think that Duncan Brannan (FUNi) is awesome. Likewise, Rick Robertson is an amazing Dabura. I prefer him even over Scott McNeil (who voiced him for the international English dub).

Oh yeah, and I liked the old Pilaf Saga dub, though I haven't seen it since it's first TV run.

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Post by penguintruth » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:40 pm

I think Ronin Warriors was probably a more accurate dub than DBZ's. But nowadays I can't even bring myself to watching that dub, either. I use the Yoroiden Samurai Troopers side of the DVDs.

Both DBZ and RW were on the same programming block on UPN or WB or whatever channel I first watched them on before CN. Samurai Pizza Cats was on the same block, too. My friend Jon and I would pause his SNES and watch. Then we'd go back to playing Contra III.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by ShadowDude112 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:43 pm

penguintruth wrote:I think Ronin Warriors was probably a more accurate dub than DBZ's. But nowadays I can't even bring myself to watching that dub, either. I use the Yoroiden Samurai Troopers side of the DVDs.

Both DBZ and RW were on the same programming block on UPN or WB or whatever channel I first watched them on before CN. Samurai Pizza Cats was on the same block, too. My friend Jon and I would pause his SNES and watch. Then we'd go back to playing Super Contra.
I hope you mean Contra 3 because Super C or Super Contra was on the NES.
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Post by penguintruth » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:44 pm

ShadowDude112 wrote:I hope you mean Contra 3 because Super C or Super Contra was on the NES.
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Contra III and Final Fight III, during commercial breaks.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:52 pm

penguintruth wrote:Both DBZ and RW were on the same programming block on UPN or WB or whatever channel I first watched them on before CN. Samurai Pizza Cats was on the same block, too. My friend Jon and I would pause his SNES and watch. Then we'd go back to playing Contra III.
Hmm, not for me. I used to watch RW in the afternoon (somewhere between 330 and 430). My dad used to take me to work with him during summer, and I'd always run off to the nearby department store's electronics section and turn one of their display TVs to RW.

I only really recall DBZ back then being on butt-crack early on weekend mornings. Actually, I think I watched it back to back with Teknoman.

And yeah, nowadays I'm all about Samurai Troopers and Tekkaman Blade. But back then I didn't know any better :p
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Post by sbk » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:33 pm

Things I like about the Original:

- I like the music.

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Post by IncompetentOverlord » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:45 pm

sbk wrote:Things I like about the Original:

- I like the music.
Could you please go into more detail?
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Post by sbk » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:07 pm

Well, I prefer the Japanese music over the synthesizer/rock sound of the dub. The Japanese BGM is also quiet when it needs to be. And I think the Japanese BGM fits the DragonBall series better.

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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:38 am

I love the music from the Original Version. Unfortunately I don't know the names of the voice actors, but I really enjoy Krillian and Vegeta's original Voices. I also love Masako Nozawa's kid Gohan.

For the English Dub, I like Eric Vale's Trunks, Damien Clark's Cell, and Kyle Hebert's Gohan. Also one of my favorite Dragonball themes is Faulconer's Opener, its so simple yet so fun.

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Post by theoriginalbilis » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:02 am

Compliments...

Japanese side:
- Of course, the music and voice acting is top-notch (in all 3 series).
- One of the best manga-to-anime adaptations out there (DB and DBZ), despite the filler.
- GT is pretty watchable to me, and I enjoy it in small doses.

English side:
- Ocean kicked ass back in the day, especially with Movies 1-3. I don't have much to say about them, the voiceovers were good.
- FUNimation, despite qualms about the VA/script changes, at least kept the episodes less edited on TV and even uncut for home releases.
- Good move on FUNi's part releasing the Japanese version on DVD even before the Japanese got it.
- I think most of the FUNi voices are fine (except Kaio and Freeza), all they really need is accurate scripting and voice direction.
- The FUNi cast really hit their stride in 2002-2005 (the Budokai games, some of the movies, original DB, and the Seasons 1-2 redub.)
- The English versions of DB/DBZ got me into the series in the first place.
- Dragon Box finally, thanks FUNimation!
- Despite my feelings of the Season Sets' video quality, the price per set is still AMAZINGLY good for an anime release.
- Removing the English replacement music, and finally putting an emphasis on the original Japanese score as of 2007-onward was a good move, so more viewers can get one step closer to how the show was originally intended.
- The video game dubs were actually better than the dubs of the TV series! Hopefully whenever Kai is licensed in the US, an accurate dub script (at the very least) will follow.

Dragon Ball Kai:
- Kai is a good way to bring in new fans even though it's basically a glorified clip show.
- Most of the new VAs for Kai sound good and do justice to their characters (except for Mr. Popo)
- I love the new music!
- Removing the dragged-out scenes was a wise choice.
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Post by Rocketman » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:38 am

JPN version:

-While I haven't heard all the main casts' voices yet, all I've heard are good except Goku/Gohan/Goten.

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:58 am

Despite the fact that the English dub is a reversioning that I cannot consider "Dragon Ball", I am fond of Funimation's 1996 dub of DBZ. Since it's what I first saw and enjoyed (though, I thought it was stupid at first), I can't help but enjoy it. :D

While I generally can't stand Faulconer's score, there are a some songs I like: Gohan Fights Frieza, Heroic Trunks, Vegeta Super Saiyan, SSJ3 Power-up, The Ginyu Force Theme, and Super Buu.

Also, I love Funimation's English version of Makafushigi Adventure!
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:54 am

I'll praise Funimation for their seemingly increasing ability to take critisism on board, and the fact that I think their dub of Dragon Ball is a lot better than Z. There's also some of their music that I think is pretty good.

In particular, for the original, I will praise Nozawa for perfectly capturing capturing the members of the Son family, paticuarlly Goku, while giving them enough individuality through voice that her voicing pretty much all of them never takes away from the character. She was able to sound adult and childlike, angry and carefree, all in the same characters.
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Post by Sebastian (SB) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:27 pm

I pretty much liked the majority, and still hold a place of nostalgia, of FUNimation's in-house dub for the Cell arc. Without it, being the exception of Falcouner's questionable music, I wouldn't have been propelled to find the information of DBZ online and obtain VHS fansubs of later DBZ films.

As far as the voice cast, I thought the majority of them fit well, but my only problem with it, was the general direction or archtypes of the characters based on the script. Schemmel's Goku can do fine without the caliber of his vocabulary. His carefree moments are great. Sabat's Vegeta needs to lose a lot of the gruff and a bit more sadistic elegance and/or sudden bursts of anger ala Horikawa. Some of which I thought Drummond did pretty well. Kyle Herbert needs to be replaced with Brice Armstrong as the Narrator for the sake of consistency. He was just awesome as the Narrator in Dragon Ball too. The same goes for Schemmel's Kaio. Just have Armstrong with his Narrator voice. That's it.

The more notable roles for me were Dameon Clarke as Cell, Eric Vale as Trunks, Chris Rager as Mr. Satan, and the VAs for Nos. 17 & 18.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:29 pm

The more notable roles for me were Dameon Clarke as Cell, Eric Vale as Trunks, Chris Rager as Mr. Satan, and the VAs for Nos. 17 & 18.
Actually, I agree on all of these.
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:08 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:I'll praise Funimation for their seemingly increasing ability to take critisism on board...
Yes, you have to admire a company that listens to the fans and accepts criticism. Most companies would never go back and re-dub certain parts of the show, nor would they put back the original music and I have never seen an anime company put the sub track as the primary track for any DVD I have bought.
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Post by Onikage725 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:36 pm

I want to add on to one thing mentioned above, that we anti-dub types often do overlook. FUNi does deserve some credit for pushing the envelope on the TV broadcast censorship angle. Now, home releases were a clusterfuck of what-the-fuck sometimes. But, considering that they had come from under the heel of "I inspired 4Kids" Haim Saban, and where airing alongside other chopped up anime prior to lax censorship being the norm, their season 3 and onwards really do deserve credit for being almost relatively intact. They didn't have to do that, the market didn't really call for it at the time, and it did help pave the way for shows like Gundam Wing to hit the ground with respect to the source material.

Just to be clear, I know these shows did (and some still do) have some visual cuts and clean up depending on time slot. The type of censorship I'm talking about isn't a reduced blood splatter or removal of a gay reference. I'm talking about the old-school dice job that was common back then. Whole characters or backstory segments removed, episodes spliced together- the '96 DBZ dubs editing wasn't abnormal for its time.
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Post by Duo » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:08 pm

Got to agree. FUNImation definitely set a better standard for American Broadcast Anime in regards to visual presentation.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:19 pm

Chuquita wrote:Guh, I haven't seen the dub in forever.....*thinks*....

For Funi:

-I really enjoyed the cheese Gohan's VA injected into his Saiyaman voice. It was charmingly dorky. X3
-That scene where they show the Bobble-Head movie at the Tenkaichi Budoukai; the way Funi went about it made me smile.
Oh, wow, I forgot about those. I had pretty much stopped watching the dub at that point, but Kyle Hebert impressed me as Great Saiyaman (even though he mispronounced the name, of course). And I have to admit I love, love, LOVED the way way FUNimation handled that Cell Game parody. I will go ahead and admit that I think it was better than the original (which pains me to admit). Of course, it also made me laugh that one of the few things they got better was when they were purposely being over the top and corny as hell, something they usually do anyway. :lol:

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