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Post by Greenman » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:28 pm

I lot of these have been mentioned by other people as well:

FUNimation:
- Sean Schemmel as Goku
- Chris Rager as Mr. Satan.
- Coola's dub actor.
- Number 17 and 18's voice actors.
- The season sets give a lot of bang for your buck.
- Vegeta's Super Saiyan theme.

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- Viz Bigs are really cheap.
- Viz Bigs have really nice paper.

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Post by laserkid » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:35 pm

The Ocean dub (FUNis first dub of season 1 and 2):

- has an AMAZINGLY BETTER scene of Yamcha in the baseball field, I recently watched it subbed, and it really does feel hollow by comparison.

- The creative redoing of the title cards

- Excepting Freeza, good voice casting all around

The FUNi dub:

- has an AMAZINGLY BETTER scene of Yamcha in the baseball field, I recently watched it subbed, and it really does feel hollow by comparison.

- Outside of some VERY BAD casting decisions, which I will not go into, for the most part the voice casting is well decided. (Dub Mr. Satan is damn perfect, for example)

- SSJ3 Goku transformation scene, one of the few times I really enjoyed the dub score

- The 23rd Tenka-ichi Budokai arc dub is BEAUTIFUL

- "It's not over until the fish jumps"

- The episodes where Future Trunks shows up were fairly faithful to the original for the most part

- Dubbed Makafushigi Adventure

- Vegeta's Final Flash scene

- Piccolo's "I am just a Namek that has long forgotten his name" speech is dead on
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Post by Ultimate_DB_Fan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:36 pm

Greenman wrote:- The season sets give a lot of bang for your buck.
What do you mean by that?

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Post by Greenman » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:40 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:
Greenman wrote:- The season sets give a lot of bang for your buck.
What do you mean by that?
They're dirt cheap.

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Post by B » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:40 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:
Greenman wrote:- The season sets give a lot of bang for your buck.
What do you mean by that?
They are cheap and plentiful of episodes.
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Post by laserkid » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:41 pm

I was going to say... that doesn't have much to do with the DUB itself, while I'm not a fan of the season sets, thats more an issue with FUNimation's mishandling of DBZ in general, not the dub specifically.
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Post by Adamant » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:44 pm

Hum, what can i say about the Norwegian dub...?

*That guy who plays Kame Sennin plays his role very well. The problem is, sadly, that the voice director told him to play Kame Sennin as a senile old idiot, which is quite painful to listen to. But his performance is good, and he does a great job playing crazy old men in other series.

*Instrumental Cha-la in movie 2. Nice. Best part of the dub by far.


As for the Funi dub, whomever did Ginyu in those episodes right before he's turned into a frog was great.
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Post by Duo » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:56 pm

We're generally saying positive things about companies/dubs we normally speak against, right?
laserkid wrote:- SSJ3 Goku transformation scene, one of the few times I really enjoyed the dub score
I still love that song, and the variants used for Gotenks later.
laserkid wrote:- The 23rd Tenka-ichi Budokai arc dub is BEAUTIFUL
I've not really watched any of the Dragonball Anime, dubbed or otherwise (besides the movies). Describe the positives to it (the Dub, that is).
- "It's not over until the fish jumps"
That reminds me why I'm glad I was a dub fan long enough to see that.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:57 pm

For the Funimation dub, I really enjoy Perfect Cell's voice. Also I really liked his theme song in the dub as well.

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Post by laserkid » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:02 pm

Well, the entire Dragon Ball dub was actually decent to begin with, but the 23rd Tenka-ichi Budokai arc dub was just so well performed. The best Goku performance by Sean Schemmel EVER, and they really got the levity of the situation down perfectly. By nature of dubbing around the original score to start with the dialogue works WITH the original score very well, and you can tell everyone put their heart and soul into dubbing it. If ALL of DB, DBZ and DBGT were dubbed the way the 23rd Tenka-ichi budokai arc was, there would be a LOT less problems with the dub in general. It is, in my mind the centerpeice of what the dub could have, and would have been if it had been taken more seriously. I could be angry about that, but I'm just happy SOMETHING got done perfectly right.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:06 pm

I'm really hoping to see more dub fans come in here and say what they like about the original version. There have been a few at the beginning, but, for the most part, this seems rather one-sided.

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Post by Duo » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:08 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:I'm really hoping to see more dub fans come in here and say what they like about the original version. There have been a few at the beginning, but, for the most part, this seems rather one-sided.
The Dub's number one fan didn't even say anything about anything but the dub. Made me sad :(
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Post by IncompetentOverlord » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:12 pm

Duo wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:I'm really hoping to see more dub fans come in here and say what they like about the original version. There have been a few at the beginning, but, for the most part, this seems rather one-sided.
The Dub's number one fan didn't even say anything about anything but the dub. Made me sad :(
Indeed. Perhaps the first post should be amended so that positive comments can only be given for the version you don't primarily watch.
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Post by Ultimate_DB_Fan » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:13 pm

Since I'm one of this site's neutral-fans, there are indeed many things I like about the original version. The voices, music, seriousness of the situation, the moments of silence, even the perverted aspect of Goku shown in the Boo saga; when he's talking to the Elder Grand Kaioshin about Bulma. :lol:

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Post by IncompetentOverlord » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:16 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:Since I'm one of this site's neutral-fans, there are indeed many things I like about the original version. The voices, music, seriousness of the situation, the moments of silence, even the perverted aspect of Goku shown in the Boo saga; when he's talking to the Elder Grand Kaioshin about Bulma. :lol:
I really never saw that statement as anything but pure fact, but viewed in that light, it's fucking hilarious :lol: !
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:17 pm

IncompetentOverlord wrote:
Duo wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:I'm really hoping to see more dub fans come in here and say what they like about the original version. There have been a few at the beginning, but, for the most part, this seems rather one-sided.
The Dub's number one fan didn't even say anything about anything but the dub. Made me sad :(
Indeed. Perhaps the first post should be amended so that positive comments can only be given for the version you don't primarily watch.
Yeah, it's almost kinda funny if people are just going to post things they like... about something they already like! This is supposed to be about swallowing pride and giving compliments to something you generally don't like (or at least that's the impression I got)! I could do that all day with the original version of the series!

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Post by jjgp1112 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:19 pm

Duo wrote:I could rain praise on the Pioneer released dub of the first 3 movies, but most of that goes without saying.

My positive remarks on the FUNImation in-house dub:

- Chris Sabat's Vegeta, while not quite what I would shoot for in Vegeta's voice, became one of the best performances of any character by the time the Boo arc was airing.
Although I prefer Sabat's Season 1 and 2 Vegeta over all, I do think he did the best "Angry Vegeta" stuff in the Buu saga.

Anyway, since this is supposed to be about versions that you don't prefer...well, I did like the Japanese music in the show during the Saiyan and Frieza sagas, and I do like the Japanese songs in the movies they debuted in, I just don't think they were placed in the show properly later on. Also, although I don't like her roles in the Son Family, Masako Nozawa did a damn good Turles.
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- Piccolo's "I am just a Namek that has long forgotten his name" speech is dead on
And the music that was playing really made the whole thing seem like a big deal. Especially the part where he's flying away from the lookout and Korin says, "Goodbye, old friend..."
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Post by penguintruth » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:23 pm

Positive things about the English dub(s):

- Peter Kelamis' Goku - not perfect, but at times he captured Goku's personality well. Probably the best professional English dub voice for Goku. (I say "professional", because we all know MasakoX is better than all of them.)

- Scott McNeil's Piccolo - gruff, but sage-sounding. Like he was meant to be the mentor role he turned into. It's like they cast him specifically for that purpose.

- The original English dubs of the first three DBZ movies. 'Nuff said.

- Brice Armstrong's narration of Dragon Ball.

- Chuck Huber (Android 17), Meredith McCoy (Android 18 ), Chris Rager (Mr. Satan), and Kara Edward (Videl)'s performances later in the DBZ dub.


Compliments to Funimation's treatment of DBZ:

- They're finally starting to get their act together.
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Post by IncompetentOverlord » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:27 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Duo wrote:I could rain praise on the Pioneer released dub of the first 3 movies, but most of that goes without saying.

My positive remarks on the FUNImation in-house dub:

- Chris Sabat's Vegeta, while not quite what I would shoot for in Vegeta's voice, became one of the best performances of any character by the time the Boo arc was airing.A
lthough I prefer Sabat's Season 1 and 2 Vegeta over all, I do think he did the best "Angry Vegeta" stuff in the Buu saga.

Anyway, since this is supposed to be about versions that you don't prefer...well, I did like the Japanese music in the show during the Saiyan and Freeza sagas, and I do like the Japanese songs in the movies they debuted in, I just don't think they were placed in the show properly later on. Also, although I don't like her roles in the Son Family, Masako Nozawa did a damn good Tullece.
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- Piccolo's "I am just a Namek that has long forgotten his name" speech is dead on
And the music that was playing really made the whole thing seem like a big deal. Esecially the part where he's flying away from the lookout and Karin says, "Goodbye, old friend..."
Thanks JJ. It's really interesting to see what you like about the original.
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Post by GizmoKSX » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:17 pm

There was a great dub moment during Goku's fight* with Recoome. Recoome is taking ridiculously long announcing the name of his impending attack, and Goku knocks him out with an elbow, commenting, "There was an opening that just seemed to scream out, 'attack!' So, I did." :lol: I think Peter Kelamis was doing his voice at that point.
I'm pretty sure Mike mentioned this moment in one of the podcasts.
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