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Post by dbgtFO » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:28 am

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ssjcj wrote:I don't like the fact that every arc, except Cell, Goku defeats the villain. When you have such a large cast wouldn't it be better to have Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan or Gotenks save the world? It can become a bit predictable, especially in the Freeza arc.
Goku didn't defeat Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan and the Genkidama did.
Goku didn't kill Freeza(he defeated him though), Future Trunks did.
Goku didn't defeat Kid Buu either, the Genkidama with the genki/ki whatever from Gohan, Goten, Trunks and every person on Earth and the persuasion of Mr. Satan did. Goku just needed his power back to make the Genkidama a succes.
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Re: Top Disliked Moments

Post by ssjcj » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:31 am

dbgtFO wrote: Goku didn't defeat Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan and the Genkidama did.
Goku didn't kill Freeza(he defeated him though), Future Trunks did.
Goku didn't defeat Kid Buu either, the Genkidama with the genki/ki whatever from Gohan, Goten, Trunks and every person on Earth and the persuasion of Mr. Satan did. Goku just needed his power back to make the Genkidama a succes.
Against Vegeta, Goku had the big fight with him, made the Genkidama and orchestrated Vegeta's defeat.
I'll concede the Trunks Freeza fight. Though I always classed it as in the Cell arc and so it isn't the last (and therefore the biggest) fight of the arc.
Goku ultimately defeated Kid Buu, everyone gave Goku energy but Goku landed the final blow.

I didn't word my original post in the way I wanted to. My main point is that I felt frustrated that there are a lot of great characters in DragonBall who are not used to their full potential.

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Post by dbgtFO » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:45 am

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dbgtFO wrote: Goku didn't defeat Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan and the Genkidama did.
Goku didn't kill Freeza(he defeated him though), Future Trunks did.
Goku didn't defeat Kid Buu either, the Genkidama with the genki/ki whatever from Gohan, Goten, Trunks and every person on Earth and the persuasion of Mr. Satan did. Goku just needed his power back to make the Genkidama a succes.
Against Vegeta, Goku had the big fight with him, made the Genkidama and orchestrated Vegeta's defeat.
I'll concede the Trunks Freeza fight. Though I always classed it as in the Cell arc and so it isn't the last (and therefore the biggest) fight of the arc.
Goku ultimately defeated Kid Buu, everyone gave Goku energy but Goku landed the final blow.

I didn't word my original post in the way I wanted to. My main point is that I felt frustrated that there are a lot of great characters in DragonBall who are not used to their full potential.
1. Goku still didn't defeat Vegeta, because he wasn't fighting material once Krillin and Gohan arrived and even though it was Goku, who passed on the Genkidama to Krillin, told Gohan to push it back at Vegeta and told Gohan to look at the false moon, it still wasn't Goku, who defeated him, Goku just guided the others into defeating the main villain, just like in the Cell arc, where he guided Gohan inot unleashing his full power.

2. I always saw an arc ending when the main villain is finally defeated meaning the Freeza arc ends after Freeza's death by Trunks.

3. Man I will stay say, that it was the Genkidama, that did the job, as it was shown it had the power to kill Buu, all it needed was that extra push, which Goku gave it.

4. I agree, the Earthling characters are almost completely useless by the Androids arc, and no one of them has a proper fight, as they get curbstomped on every occasion.
I did like the fact, that normal fighting wasn't enough in the end and that Satan played an important part in saving the world.

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Post by Attitudefan » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:23 pm

Bulma going for Vegeta. WHAT? It never made much sense. I understand she can be slutty but come on! Vegeta, at that point still wanted to kill them. I do like Trunks though so, meh. Catch 22 situation.

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Attitudefan wrote:Bulma going for Vegeta. WHAT? It never made much sense. I understand she can be slutty but come on! Vegeta, at that point still wanted to kill them. I do like Trunks though so, meh. Catch 22 situation.
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Post by caejones » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:46 pm

Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo getting left on the Earth when Buu blew it up.
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Post by powerupguy » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:51 pm

penguintruth wrote:
I could care less about whether or not Piccolo can match Freeza. No, rather, I knew he wouldn't. At least when Vegeta fought him, there was a past there, there was a reason for him to want to defeat Freeza, even though you know he isn't going to win.

Um you need to watch this arc again because if you had been paying attention one of the main reasons they were fighting freeza was because of his killing of the nameks. So really both vegeta and piccolo have a reason to defeat freeza. Have to pay closer attention to those little details :wink:

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Post by penguintruth » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:58 pm

Aside from Nail being inside him, Piccolo shouldn't give two damns about the Namekians. He has no memory of being from there, he's never lived there, and frankly I'm guessing he'd find it insufferably boring there with their weak and docile people. There's not nearly as much history there as there is with Vegeta and Freeza. I didn't give a damn if Piccolo avenged the Namekians, because they were a boring race of push overs. Even Chaozu could have wiped out the entire Namekian race.

As a viewer, do you really care if Piccolo avenges his race? Because I wanted to get to more of Vegeta fighting Freeza. Suddenly Piccolo cares about his home planet? Who cares? You know it's all a bunch of lead-up to Goku coming, anyway.
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Post by dbgtFO » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:11 pm

penguintruth wrote:Aside from Nail being inside him, Piccolo shouldn't give two damns about the Namekians. He has no memory of being from there, he's never lived there, and frankly I'm guessing he'd find it insufferably boring there with their weak and docile people.
Which he admits when Gohan asks him why he didn't go with the other Namekians after Freeza's first defeat.
penguintruth wrote:There's not nearly as much history there as there is with Vegeta and Freeza. I didn't give a damn if Piccolo avenged the Namekians, because they were a boring race of push overs. Even Chaozu could have wiped out the entire Namekian race.
Nail and the three other warrior type Namekians would rip Chaozu's head off though and with ease.
penguintruth wrote:As a viewer, do you really care if Piccolo avenges his race? Because I wanted to get to more of Vegeta fighting Freeza. Suddenly Piccolo cares about his home planet? Who cares? You know it's all a bunch of lead-up to Goku coming, anyway.
I cared! Piccolo is my favourite character anyway, so I'm biased, but nevertheless I would have enjoyed that far more than Vegeta avenging his stupid murderous race, and then Piccolo should have ended Vegeta along with Freeza just to fulfill my fanboy dreams :lol:

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Re: Top Disliked Moments

Post by powerupguy » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:55 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Aside from Nail being inside him, Piccolo shouldn't give two damns about the Namekians. He has no memory of being from there, he's never lived there, and frankly I'm guessing he'd find it insufferably boring there with their weak and docile people.
Which he admits when Gohan asks him why he didn't go with the other Namekians after Freeza's first defeat.
penguintruth wrote:There's not nearly as much history there as there is with Vegeta and Freeza. I didn't give a damn if Piccolo avenged the Namekians, because they were a boring race of push overs. Even Chaozu could have wiped out the entire Namekian race.
Nail and the three other warrior type Namekians would rip Chaozu's head off though and with ease.
penguintruth wrote:As a viewer, do you really care if Piccolo avenges his race? Because I wanted to get to more of Vegeta fighting Freeza. Suddenly Piccolo cares about his home planet? Who cares? You know it's all a bunch of lead-up to Goku coming, anyway.
I cared! Piccolo is my favourite character anyway, so I'm biased, but nevertheless I would have enjoyed that far more than Vegeta avenging his stupid murderous race, and then Piccolo should have ended Vegeta along with Freeza just to fulfill my fanboy dreams :lol:
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:04 pm

I agree with penguintruth if only because Piccolo's role in both the Freeza and Cell arcs was nothing but blue balls upon blue balls.

Freeza arc: Piccolo's back! He's been powered up by Kaio's training, and now he's locked on and ready to kick butt! (Sorry. Couldn't resist.) Then he encounters the beaten Nail and get a HUGE power up! Now Freeza's really screwed. Piccolo's the strongest thing ever! Oh. Wait. No he's not. Freeza's kicking his ass, and now Piccolo's immediately useless again.

Cell arc: Piccolo's kicking artificial human ass! But, oh, #17 takes him out. But that's okay. He's going to merge with Kami-sama and become stronger than ever before! He's dominates Cell, and he's even a match for #17! Not even the Super Saiya-jin can compare. Piccolo's the strongest thing ever! Oh. Wait. No he's not. Cell's kicking his ass, and now Piccolo's immediately useless again.

What a waste... :cry:
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Post by Ussj Future Trunks » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:18 am

Dragonball - Drags on too much and I grow tired of it being Goku centric.
Saiyan Saga - Raditz died too fast and was too weak. How everyone just dies and is useless barring Goku and Gohan, never to regain their uses again. Gohan is a bit of a puss and annoying but that's forgiven because he's only 5.
Namek - One of my favourites so barely any complaints.
Frieza - Way too long in the anime, and not enough good fights. And I hate Linda Young, but Ayres made me like Frieza. Too much ridiculous zenkais for Goku and Vegeta.
Garlic Jr - Boring and drags on the series needlessly.
Trunks - Huge Gary Stu pwns Mecha Frieza who should have been a badass, same with King Cold. What a waste.
Androids - Too little happening between Gero escaping and Cell appearing imo. And anticlimactic to have 19 and 20 be an old man and a fat clown and be soo weak.
Cell - Nothing much. Excellent villain and saga. Just how Goku is such a dick with giving Cell a senzu for no reason. And Krillin dooming the universe because of one kiss.
Buu - Lots. Buu himself is really annoying, his forms are convoluted, resulting in endless power level debates. Gohan gets a power up for nothing. Gotenks gets a power up for nothing. Vegeta blows himself up for nothing. SSJ3 is pointless. Goten and Trunks get SSJ too easily. Too many dumb ass decisions to make the final Kid Buu fight hard to win when it really didn't need to be.
GT - dull uninspired one sided fights, everyone but Goku is mostly useless, not enough Vegeta, not enough Gohan, the villains are kinda ridiculous. Plot holes cause fanbase to just ignore it when I don't think it's that bad.
Movies - Only Goku gets hax and kills every single villain. Same story for almost every movie. Some get underrated because they liked a villain's previous form more because he was "lyke so much stronger" (Bio Broly). Uninspired plots with ridiculous powerups and plot holes, forever confusing the fans as to who is stronger.
Filler - Needlessly long. Some episodes are almost entirely comprised of flashbacks and standing around powering up, or pointless side stories with characters we don't care about. Thank god for DB Kai.
How Goku is such an utter dick.
Broly in general.
How the fanbase overrates and wanks certain characters and ignores anyone who likes something they don't.
English dub lovers crying about DBZ Kai just because it doesn't have the old voices and Faulconer. Makes me lose faith in the entire fanbase.
Wankers in some dbz forums calling others "sad noob dumb motherfuckers" because they don't agree. No need to give DBZ a bad name.
How everyone non saiyan gets tossed aside and made completely useless by Buu Saga, especially Piccolo and Tien. I mean Toriyama, he's your favourite character and yet Piccolo gets roflstomped and ignored all the damn time. You claim to hate Vegeta but he got more badass moments than anyone.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:00 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:I agree with penguintruth if only because Piccolo's role in both the Freeza and Cell arcs was nothing but blue balls upon blue balls.

Freeza arc: Piccolo's back! He's been powered up by Kaio's training, and now he's locked on and ready to kick butt! (Sorry. Couldn't resist.) Then he encounters the beaten Nail and get a HUGE power up! Now Freeza's really screwed. Piccolo's the strongest thing ever! Oh. Wait. No he's not. Freeza's kicking his ass, and now Piccolo's immediately useless again.

Cell arc: Piccolo's kicking artificial human ass! But, oh, #17 takes him out. But that's okay. He's going to merge with Kami-sama and become stronger than ever before! He's dominates Cell, and he's even a match for #17! Not even the Super Saiya-jin can compare. Piccolo's the strongest thing ever! Oh. Wait. No he's not. Cell's kicking his ass, and now Piccolo's immediately useless again.

What a waste... :cry:
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:04 pm

So... because it happens to a whole bunch of characters means that you don't agree that it happens to Piccolo...?
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:09 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:So... because it happens to a whole bunch of characters means that you don't agree that it happens to Piccolo...?
No, it just sounded like Piccolo was the only character this happened to. And it seems to be a kind of "tradition" in Dragon Ball: good guy powers up, bad guy gets owned, bad guy powers up (or bad guy says "lol I was holding back" oh shock horror :shock: ), good guy gets owned. Rinse and repeat.
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Gaffer Tape wrote:So... because it happens to a whole bunch of characters means that you don't agree that it happens to Piccolo...?
No. He is just having a bad day.
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Post by Attitudefan » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:37 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:I agree with penguintruth if only because Piccolo's role in both the Freeza and Cell arcs was nothing but blue balls upon blue balls.

Freeza arc: Piccolo's back! He's been powered up by Kaio's training, and now he's locked on and ready to kick butt! (Sorry. Couldn't resist.) Then he encounters the beaten Nail and get a HUGE power up! Now Freeza's really screwed. Piccolo's the strongest thing ever! Oh. Wait. No he's not. Freeza's kicking his ass, and now Piccolo's immediately useless again.

Cell arc: Piccolo's kicking artificial human ass! But, oh, #17 takes him out. But that's okay. He's going to merge with Kami-sama and become stronger than ever before! He's dominates Cell, and he's even a match for #17! Not even the Super Saiya-jin can compare. Piccolo's the strongest thing ever! Oh. Wait. No he's not. Cell's kicking his ass, and now Piccolo's immediately useless again.

What a waste... :cry:
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Post by Travis Touchdown » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:15 pm

I hated Goku abandoning his family to go train a complete stranger he has no emotional attachment to.

I like to think Neko Majin Z is canon where it shows Goku training Uub at the Son residence. How they ended up there, who knows? Maybe Goku felt bad, maybe Gohan tracked him down and soundly kicked his ass and made him go back. Either way would work for me.
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Post by Coola Yagami » Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:08 am

I agree with the Neko Majin part, especially since it kinda looked like Toriyama's version of GT had GT not happened with his own version of teen Pan and Uub.

I guess I wish the humans had more screentime or not shown at all. I mean to the average non-fan viewer, we got like 7 or so big bad-ass martial artists showing up at the Cell Games, and only 2 of them actually fight Cell and the rest either go down with the Cell Jrs or just watch and say 'oooh' and 'ahhh'. It sickens me how super bad-ass Ten Shin Han looked (big friggin buff dude) and did barely nothing the entire saga cept the Shin Kikoho scene. I wish they'd either get more involvement or just not show up at all.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:50 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:I hated Goku abandoning his family to go train a complete stranger he has no emotional attachment to.

I like to think Neko Majin Z is canon where it shows Goku training Uub at the Son residence. How they ended up there, who knows? Maybe Goku felt bad, maybe Gohan tracked him down and soundly kicked his ass and made him go back. Either way would work for me.
I don't think Goku would feel bad, especially when he was quite happy to stay dead for 7 years in Heaven while his wife was managing two children. I like to think that part in Neko Majin Z is canon too. I also like to think that Goku accidentally killed Oob with a Kamehameha because he was a waste of a character and a poorly-disguised Gohan clone, and instead focused on training himself rather than bothering with his two kids who, frankly, just didn't give a crap about training and wanted to actually do something with their lives.
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