Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:55 pm

Nope, but that spelling does appear on Japanese merch.
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by CODii » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:11 pm

All of this inconsistency goes to show how difficult it is to come up with an "official" romanization.

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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:27 am

For instance, the main character. Toriyama says it's Goku sometimes, other times it's Gokuh. But wait, all of the official merchandise calls him Go-kou! What do we do?! :D
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:22 pm

Adamant wrote:Pretty sure "Puar" isn't anything but some English translator asspull.
Wait, what? How is "Pu'ar" wrong?
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Adamant » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:29 pm

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Adamant wrote:Pretty sure "Puar" isn't anything but some English translator asspull.
Wait, what? How is "Pu'ar" wrong?
I've never ever seen the tea referred to as such. Have you? If it's actually in use, it's certainly no common spelling.

(Google gives 25 hits when I search for "Pu'ar tea", none of which gives me the impression the writer actually knows the spelling (and a whole bunch of which are just the exact same text found via different urls). So yeah, I'd say its not an actual valid spelling)
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

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Adamant wrote:
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Adamant wrote:Pretty sure "Puar" isn't anything but some English translator asspull.
Wait, what? How is "Pu'ar" wrong?
I've never ever seen the tea referred to as such. Have you? If it's actually in use, it's certainly no common spelling.

(Google gives 25 hits when I search for "Pu'ar tea", none of which gives me the impression the writer actually knows the spelling (and a whole bunch of which are just the exact same text found via different urls). So yeah, I'd say its not an actual valid spelling)
Well, no. But isn't it a pun on "Pu-erh tea"? Kanzentai refers to the character as "Puar", and in Herms' Name Pun Round-up thread:
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Like Oolong, he’s named for a tea: Pu-erh tea.
Toriyama Explanation: “I thought of including Chinese tea, so for these two I used Oolong Tea and Pu-erh Tea.” [DBF]
Source Spelling:: プーアル茶 (普洱茶)/Puuaru-cha
Name Spelling: プーアル/Puuaru
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Adamant » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:06 pm

It's not a pun, it's simply the word. Writing it as "Puar" would be like writing Trunks' name as "Tranks".
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

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Adamant wrote:It's not a pun, it's simply the word. Writing it as "Puar" would be like writing Trunks' name as "Tranks".
I don't understand what you're talking about. Are you saying the translation for the character's name as "Pu'ar" is incorrect and his name is just the tea? Because I'm confused right now. I've been thinking "Pu'ar" was an appropiate translation all along, and that's not because of the dub. Herms, can you shed some light on this?
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Adamant » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:00 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote: I don't understand what you're talking about. Are you saying the translation for the character's name as "Pu'ar" is incorrect and his name is just the tea?
Indeed. His name is プーアル, which is how you write Puer, the tea, in Japanese. It's the exact same situation as with トランクス, which is how you write "trunks", the piece of clothing. There's none of that "based off a word but spelled slightly differently" stuff you get in so many other names, a practice Toriyama didn't really start using until later.
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

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Piccolo Daimao wrote: I don't understand what you're talking about. Are you saying the translation for the character's name as "Pu'ar" is incorrect and his name is just the tea?
Indeed. His name is プーアル, which is how you write Puer, the tea, in Japanese. It's the exact same situation as with トランクス, which is how you write "trunks", the piece of clothing. There's none of that "based off a word but spelled slightly differently" stuff you get in so many other names, a practice Toriyama didn't really start using until later.
OK, then. Wow. I never knew that. Then how the heck did we get "Pu'ar", then? It can't be just from the dub.
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by linkdude20002001 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:20 pm

Maybe the scripts from Toei wrote it that way...?
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Herms » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:48 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:OK, then. Wow. I never knew that. Then how the heck did we get "Pu'ar", then? It can't be just from the dub.
Well, "Puar" is still a valid romanization of プーアル, just as "Tranks" is of トランクス. プーアル may be the same spelling as the tea, but in-universe it doesn't refer to the tea, it refers to the cat creature. So I don't think it's automatically true that romanizing it the same way as the tea is the only correct way (and it's not the approach the people behind "Pooal" took either).
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

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Herms wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:OK, then. Wow. I never knew that. Then how the heck did we get "Pu'ar", then? It can't be just from the dub.
Well, "Puar" is still a valid romanization of プーアル, just as "Tranks" is of トランクス. プーアル may be the same spelling as the tea, but in-universe it doesn't refer to the tea, it refers to the cat creature. So I don't think it's automatically true that romanizing it the same way as the tea is the only correct way (and it's not the approach the people behind "Pooal" took either).
So "Puar"'s correct after all, then.
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Adamant » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:09 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Herms wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:OK, then. Wow. I never knew that. Then how the heck did we get "Pu'ar", then? It can't be just from the dub.
Well, "Puar" is still a valid romanization of プーアル, just as "Tranks" is of トランクス. プーアル may be the same spelling as the tea, but in-universe it doesn't refer to the tea, it refers to the cat creature. So I don't think it's automatically true that romanizing it the same way as the tea is the only correct way (and it's not the approach the people behind "Pooal" took either).
So "Puar"'s correct after all, then.
"Correct"... Well, as correct as "Tolankus" and "Pickoro". They're valid romanizations of what's written, but it's pretty obvious it's not exactly what they were going for.
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Re: Puar's accurate name translation "Pooal"?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:12 pm

Adamant wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Herms wrote:Well, "Puar" is still a valid romanization of プーアル, just as "Tranks" is of トランクス. プーアル may be the same spelling as the tea, but in-universe it doesn't refer to the tea, it refers to the cat creature. So I don't think it's automatically true that romanizing it the same way as the tea is the only correct way (and it's not the approach the people behind "Pooal" took either).
So "Puar"'s correct after all, then.
"Correct"... Well, as correct as "Tolankus" and "Pickoro". They're valid romanizations of what's written, but it's pretty obvious what they were going for.
Well, yeah. I'm probably going to start writing it "Pu'er" from now on.
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