Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by jaisonas » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 am

What the hell is going on in this thread...
First i'll take myself out of this argument with saying that i never thought that my cc was the proper one or the right one in any way.
I dont have access to the cell photo and thats why it was to my understanding that the sky was blue.

As Zestanor said, i used resolve to adjust the colors based on vegeta's armor and the skintones and then used the color select on a seperate node to "blue" up the sky.

Of course that causes problems as it can be seen on the part where the sky almost meets the land
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Trachta10 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:54 pm

I tried to make a color correction of the original dragon ball
It's my first time. https://imgur.com/a/Hfatr5G


Here is the Lut if anyone is interested
http://www.mediafire.com/file/43lalvjgr ... .CUBE/file

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Shaddy » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:11 am

Looks a bit too red from where I'm sitting.
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by HakkaiBills93 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:01 am

Trachta10 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:54 pm
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Here is the Lut if anyone is interested
http://www.mediafire.com/file/43lalvjgr ... .CUBE/file
Try with db episode 100 you'll understand something....

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Trachta10 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:45 pm

New attempt, looks a bit similar to Kai
after ep 100 the image is too red

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Robo4900 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:13 pm

Trachta10 wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:45 pm
New attempt, looks a bit similar to Kai
after ep 100 the image is too red
Colours aren't bad, but you're A. Using a really ugly upscale on your footage, and B. Basing your CC on an equally ugly upscale of Kai.
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by lansing » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:39 pm

Sharing my new findings on color sources. I have been looking for Dragon Ball cel for the past month, however I think I'm 15 years late to this because the price is beyond ridiculous now. Any random cel costed at least $200 and any cel with Goku easily exceeded $1,000.

I did grab a few 30 cels from other animations for cheap, though not DBZ, they still share some common cel color characteristics that are worth noting, such as the range from black to white. The darkest black I have seen from my scans is RGB(23, 26, 26), typically they are at around RGB(30, 30, 30). The white paint on the cels are around RGB(250, 247, 237), with the red value always be the highest and the blue the lowest. And there is no white that is in the 250s.

I also compared my color accurate scan to the one taken from iphone, such as this:
As expected, the color by the phone is way off. This is a prove of my assumption that cel taken by phone under insufficient light source (99.99% of the time) is inaccurate and cannot be use as color reference.

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Beside getting on hand with the actual cel, I have found another way that may be the color source we need. I had came into this blog post about a trip to the Sekaido store in Tokyo, and this store happens to be selling cel paint produced by Toei Animation, all with number labeled. Now I'm not sure if the color label is matching to the one on dbz cel sketches since we only have one photo of it. But if they do, this is going to be a game changer. And the cost for those all the cel paints is probably be less than the cost of one Goku cel. This is still a long shot though since we'll need to have someone actually going there to confirm it first.

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I also tried the approach on getting color from the dbz carddass. The vibrant color is pretty good and looks right, however the darker color is very inconsistent, sometime blueish sometime greenish. I'm suspecting this to be caused by the screen printed on the cards and I still couldn't figure out a way to fix it. See in this example, all the color looks right except for Goku's black hair:

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by jaisonas » Sat May 30, 2020 12:02 pm

A few more experiments on old DB with resolve
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Post by jaisonas » Sat May 30, 2020 12:19 pm

And one from Z

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Scsigs » Sat May 30, 2020 1:50 pm

Honestly, I think those are pretty good.
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Ajay » Sat May 30, 2020 3:38 pm

I like the DB ones but the Z ones just look like the old singles, right down to the tint and purple shirt.
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun May 31, 2020 1:53 am

Ajay wrote:
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I like the DB ones but the Z ones just look like the old singles, right down to the tint and purple shirt.
Yeah, it's clearly just a hue shift (towards green. Look at the green hue of Krillin's dougi). That's not how the color correction is done with Dragon Box footage.
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by ArmenianPepsi » Sun May 31, 2020 3:30 am

jaisonas wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 12:19 pm
And one from Z

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by jaisonas » Sun May 31, 2020 8:30 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 1:53 am
Ajay wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 3:38 pm
I like the DB ones but the Z ones just look like the old singles, right down to the tint and purple shirt.
Yeah, it's clearly just a hue shift (towards green. Look at the green hue of Krillin's dougi). That's not how the color correction is done with Dragon Box footage.
Yea i did overdo it with the hue shift on the Z one, I'm still trying to figure things out :)
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by kei17 » Sun May 31, 2020 9:16 am

Here's my take. Also aspect ratio corrected.

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Post by Scsigs » Sun May 31, 2020 10:41 am

Steps in the right direction, definitely.
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Ajay » Sun May 31, 2020 12:42 pm

My take:
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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by Zestanor » Sun May 31, 2020 1:38 pm

Why do you resize the image horizontally to cover the black bars?

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by kei17 » Sun May 31, 2020 2:27 pm

Zestanor wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 1:38 pm
Why do you resize the image horizontally to cover the black bars?
DVD follows the standards of the DV videotape format. It stores video footage in 720x480, which is shown on TV in 10:11 pixel aspect ratio. 704 out of 720 horizontal pixels are actually visualized, so the eight pixels on each side are redundant and not meant to be shown on TV. You can get proper 4:3 footage by cropping 16 pixels horizontally before resizing DVD footage to 4:3 screen aspect ratio. A lot of videos and images available online are resized incorrectly by not cropping these redundant pixels, so they are slightly squashed. In other words, don't directly resize 720x480 footage to 4:3 resolutions like 720x540. If you don't want to lose these pixels, resize it to resolutions based on 10:11 pixel aspect ratio such as 720x528 (720x1=720, 480x1.1=528).

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Re: Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

Post by jjgp1112 » Sun May 31, 2020 3:10 pm

My take:
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