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Yeah, and Evangelion is just a bunch of big robots fighting. See, I can do it too!SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:GT is good enough. People just don't realize that DBZ isn't any masterpiece either. They are both just some cartoons where shirtless dudes punch each other.
Come on, dude. That series has some serious story going on. DBZ... not so much. Some people make it sound like it's a piece of art or something. You have to get your mind off of the DB fanboy mode for a second.Rory wrote:Yeah, and Evangelion is just a bunch of big robots fighting. See, I can do it too!SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:GT is good enough. People just don't realize that DBZ isn't any masterpiece either. They are both just some cartoons where shirtless dudes punch each other.
The narrator was the one who told us about how Goten came to life.SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:Come on, dude. That series has some serious story going on. DBZ... not so much. Some people make it sound like it's a piece of art or something. You have to get your mind off of the DB fanboy mode for a second.
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DBZ is not high art but it had better writing and made the character do something. While GT is a huge disappointment since they hype it up with a new transformation, the characters breaking out of Hell and Goku turning back into a child. They made all of the characters other then Goku useless.SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:GT is good enough. People just don't realize that DBZ isn't any masterpiece either. They are both just some cartoons where shirtless dudes punch each other.
No. They gave Oob a power-up, so that he can help Goku in his fight with Baby. They also gave Vegeta SSJ4, so that he can merge with Goku. See? GT is not centered around Goku only.Hellspawn28 wrote:They made all of the characters other then Goku useless.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Dragon Ball has a pretty strong narrative, characters you care for, and as the series progresses the stakes get higher and higher. Rivalries are born, tyrants appear, thus, adventures ensue.SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:Come on, dude. That series has some serious story going on. DBZ... not so much. Some people make it sound like it's a piece of art or something. You have to get your mind off of the DB fanboy mode for a second.
Well, DBZ never was so popular in Europe like lot of other anime series. Remember talking with lot of people back in the 90's-00's and they always said that DBZ sucks with story and art like Pokémon and Digimon, and were watching things like Hellsing, Macross, Blue submarine, Ghost in the shell or later Gundam Seed.SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:Come on, dude. That series has some serious story going on. DBZ... not so much. Some people make it sound like it's a piece of art or something. You have to get your mind off of the DB fanboy mode for a second.Rory wrote:Yeah, and Evangelion is just a bunch of big robots fighting. See, I can do it too!SuppaSaiyanNerd wrote:GT is good enough. People just don't realize that DBZ isn't any masterpiece either. They are both just some cartoons where shirtless dudes punch each other.
No, just no.MCDaveG wrote:Well, DBZ never was so popular in Europe like lot of other anime series. Remember talking with lot of people back in the 90's-00's and they always said that DBZ sucks with story and art like Pokémon and Digimon, and were watching things like Hellsing, Macross, Blue submarine, Ghost in the shell or later Gundam Seed.
DBZ was regarded as anime for kids (which it actually is) and I always felt un-cool
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
I watched the first episode, turned it off. It tried too hard. The show felt like it was written by a fourteen year old struggling to convince his peers that he really was mature. "See, see, look at all the blood and boobs! It's so adult, isn't it?"DBZAOTA482 wrote: I've dealt with these kinds of people before. I mean what's next, you're going to say that they also think Elfen Lied is a deep, physcological thriller ride?
I agree the some concepts were great, like the dragon balls being the final villain/villain group. Its recognizing that the gang has relied on the dragon balls so much. While the ending may have been technically more fitting, looking at the last chapter cover/title page or that panel where they show Goku and Bulma meeting for the first time had more of a impact on me honestly. It made me stop and reflect and realize just how far this series has grown.Chibi Gohan wrote:I like some of the ideas GT threw out there, but it's horribly executed (horribly being generous). I mean it's really kind of hard to watch, and personally, I've never been able to make it through all 64 episodes. If it's worth anything though, I did like episode 64
It hardly gets better, my friend. It's probably none too wise to watch more of it if you cringe over child porography.SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:I watched the first episode, turned it off. It tried too hard. The show felt like it was written by a fourteen year old struggling to convince his peers that he really was mature. "See, see, look at all the blood and boobs! It's so adult, isn't it?"DBZAOTA482 wrote: I've dealt with these kinds of people before. I mean what's next, you're going to say that they also think Elfen Lied is a deep, physcological thriller ride?
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
I think part of the problem is that most people's main exposure would've been the pre-Kai FUNimation English dub, which turned Gokuu into Superman, had piss-poor voice acting and cheesy dialogue, to the point that it was barely even DB anymore.SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Fanboy aside, Dragonball at it's surface can be perceived as nothing but a shallow shonen anime; big muscle super heroes screaming and blowing each other up in order to saved the world...this is of course if you've never watched more then a few episode. But anyone who has seen the series knows the kind of charm and power this show carries. The character growth both told and implied; the relationship of the characters with one another; and the struggles and triumphs we see them go through. Yea you can say it's nothing more then a simple cartoon for kids but that's equating Superman to nothing more then child's entertainment as well. Anyone who has read Grant Morrison's "All Star Superman" or something like "Red Son" knows that would be a fallacy. If the show was as shallow as some people claim it wouldn't have been as big of a phenomenon both in Japan and the rest of the world.
Implying that any of us know what child pornography looks like.DBZAOTA482 wrote:It hardly gets better, my friend. It's probably none too wise to watch more of it if you cringe over child porography.SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:I watched the first episode, turned it off. It tried too hard. The show felt like it was written by a fourteen year old struggling to convince his peers that he really was mature. "See, see, look at all the blood and boobs! It's so adult, isn't it?"DBZAOTA482 wrote:I've dealt with these kinds of people before. I mean what's next, you're going to say that they also think Elfen Lied is a deep, physcological thriller ride?
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
