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ABED wrote:And regardless, he's the hero of the story. Do fans complain that Buffy saves the day in almost every episode or Batman saves the day in his own comic?
Dragon Ball is one of he few franchises that I have seen when a part of the fanbase resents the main character for existing. How the secondary characters were treated in Z didn't help.
Then people are clearly morons since Goku doesn't beat any main bad guy by himself after Piccolo Jr. Vegeta would've killed him if he didn't get back up, Ginyu stole his body, he wouldn't have lived long enough to become SS without back up, he flat out can't beat anyone in the Cell arc at any point and he once again needs more back up to kill Kid Boo.
GT and DB are where Goku scores the most big victories and even in GT, Baby, Super 17 and Omega would've killed him if he didn't have help.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ABED wrote:And regardless, he's the hero of the story. Do fans complain that Buffy saves the day in almost every episode or Batman saves the day in his own comic?
Dragon Ball is one of he few franchises that I have seen when a part of the fanbase resents the main character for existing. How the secondary characters were treated in Z didn't help.
Goku is iconic. It's inevitable for him to be a target for hipsters.
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8000 Saiyan wrote:
I honestly don't mind Nozawa as Bardock since she does great in the part, but if I had to choose a male actor it would have been Akira Kamiya.
Masako Nozawa wasn't the ideal choice but again I don't really mind her Bardock.
Sure, but what matters is that she did well in the role.
But she is crisized a lot for not only her Bardock but also her Adult Gokū and Gohan.
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For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
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8000 Saiyan wrote:
Sure, but what matters is that she did well in the role.
But she is crisized a lot for not only her Bardock but also her Adult Gokū and Gohan.
I think people fail to realize that Nozawa doesn't play Gohan and Bardock the same way she plays Goku.
Gohan has a formal tone and also the voice remains same, for Bardock the tone is much more aggressive like vegeta and voice doesn't have any goofy feels but for Gokū not only her Gokū speaks in a hick tone but even the voice pitch varies according to Gokū's mood like going high pitched and low pitched.
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
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Ripper 30 wrote:
But she is crisized a lot for not only her Bardock but also her Adult Gokū and Gohan.
I think people fail to realize that Nozawa doesn't play Gohan and Bardock the same way she plays Goku.
Gohan has a formal tone and also the voice remains same, for Bardock the tone is much more aggressive like vegeta and voice doesn't have any goofy feels but for Gokū not only her Gokū speaks in a hick tone but even the voice pitch varies according to Gokū's mood like going high pitched and low pitched.
Nuances like that make me appreciate Nozawa even more.
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8000 Saiyan wrote:
I think people fail to realize that Nozawa doesn't play Gohan and Bardock the same way she plays Goku.
Gohan has a formal tone and also the voice remains same, for Bardock the tone is much more aggressive like vegeta and voice doesn't have any goofy feels but for Gokū not only her Gokū speaks in a hick tone but even the voice pitch varies according to Gokū's mood like going high pitched and low pitched.
Nuances like that make me appreciate Nozawa even more.
She is still over hated in West specially by Dub fanbase but atleast that hate has decreased to a degree with Super.
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
My MAL profile : https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ripper_30
Ripper 30 wrote:
Gohan has a formal tone and also the voice remains same, for Bardock the tone is much more aggressive like vegeta and voice doesn't have any goofy feels but for Gokū not only her Gokū speaks in a hick tone but even the voice pitch varies according to Gokū's mood like going high pitched and low pitched.
Nuances like that make me appreciate Nozawa even more.
She is still over hated in West specially by Dub fanbase but atleast that hate has decreased to a degree with Super.
Yes, I know that.
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Ripper 30 wrote:
Gohan has a formal tone and also the voice remains same, for Bardock the tone is much more aggressive like vegeta and voice doesn't have any goofy feels but for Gokū not only her Gokū speaks in a hick tone but even the voice pitch varies according to Gokū's mood like going high pitched and low pitched.
Nuances like that make me appreciate Nozawa even more.
She is still over hated in West specially by Dub fanbase but atleast that hate has decreased to a degree with Super.
Yes we know. Do you have to mention that every chance you get?
While I do agree that he does go overboard mentioning it...condemning people who hate Nozawa personally because of her performance without even knowing her as a person is despicable.
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Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
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Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
8000 Saiyan wrote:
Sure, but what matters is that she did well in the role.
But she is crisized a lot for not only her Bardock but also her Adult Gokū and Gohan.
I think people fail to realize that Nozawa doesn't play Gohan and Bardock the same way she plays Goku.
Most people who have watched a significant amount of the JPN version can tell the difference in the way she play's each character. Goku has the hickish naive tone, Gohan is reserved and formal sounding, and Goten is playful and energetic. Black and Turles are more dark and sadistic sounding.
I realize she does a great job acting for Bardock, I just believe it's the weakest and least fitting of her portrayals. I agree with Ripper and think Akira Kamiya(Kenshiro) would have been more in line with Bardocks personality.
ABED wrote:Gog, Goku fails often. In fact he fails more often than you think. He lost in two out of the three tournaments he fought in.
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8000 Saiyan wrote:
Nuances like that make me appreciate Nozawa even more.
She is still over hated in West specially by Dub fanbase but atleast that hate has decreased to a degree with Super.
Yes we know. Do you have to mention that every chance you get?
Yup.
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
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Dbzfan94 wrote:
Yes we know. Do you have to mention that every chance you get?
Yup.
You don't need to mention it all the time, you know.
I was referring to one of the pros of Super.
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
My MAL profile : https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ripper_30
8000 Saiyan wrote:
You don't need to mention it all the time, you know.
I was referring to one of the pros of Super.
Oh, okay.
But I really hate the crunchyroll subs on them because of which the point of Subtitles is completely lost.
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
My MAL profile : https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ripper_30