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ABED wrote:
It seems your conception of Bardock is limited to "badass".
It's not limited to that, but gets my point across.
ABED wrote:
He's cold-hearted
"Badass" can apply to that. He's totally different from Goku.
ABED wrote:
Nozawa is great as Bardock as she's able to convey those emotions and for many is able to get you to empathize with a murderous bastard who doesn't give a damn about his newborn son.
What makes me empathize with a character is the writing more than anything. A good voice actor comes in second.
Nozawa is a fantastic voice actor, but her tone doesn't fit Bardock at all.
ABED wrote: Bardock isn't like Raditz at all, nor is he like Vegeta.
As far as his personality goes, he always seemed closer to Vegeta than Goku for me.
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Cold hearted isn't the same as badass. I mean he's cold hearted because he doesn't give a crap about his son who was just born 2 days prior nor does he care a single bit about having destroyed an entire planet of people.
As far as his personality goes, he always seemed closer to Vegeta than Goku for me.
He not either. Vegeta is an arrogant prince who talks a lot about the greatness of his species. He wants to be the best and for people to know he's better than them. What little we see of Bardock comes down to someone who has an almost blue collar approach (for lack of a better word) to destroying civilizations. Unlike Vegeta, he genuinely cares about his comrades and desperately tries to save them and his entire planet.
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What makes me empathize with a character is the writing more than anything. A good voice actor comes in second.
I dont' know if it comes in second. You need both.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
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What makes me empathize with a character is the writing more than anything. A good voice actor comes in second.
I dont' know if it comes in second. You need both.
The voice actor job is to bring the character to life, but the writing is still the most important factor because that's what makes me decide if I like the character or no.
I don't necessary need both to empathize with a character, because I can empathize with good characters by just reading the manga/book version.
What makes me empathize with a character is the writing more than anything. A good voice actor comes in second.
I dont' know if it comes in second. You need both.
The voice actor job is to bring the character to life, but the writing is still the most important factor because that's what makes me decide if I like the character or no.
I don't necessary need both to empathize with a character, because I can empathize with good characters by just reading the manga/book version.
But good writing with a weak performance doesn't land. I get your point but a bad performance can interfere with otherwise good writing. In a novel you can imagine the best version of the dialog, whereas an actor might not be able to deliver the line that worked on the page.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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ABED wrote:
But good writing with a weak performance doesn't land. I get your point but a bad performance can interfere with otherwise good writing. In a novel you can imagine the best version of the dialog, whereas an actor might not be able to deliver the line that worked on the page.
It's possible the voice actor may not live up to your expectations, but the writing should already made you decide if you like the character or not, in the first place.
Does a bad performance stop you from liking x character, even though you liked him before in the manga/book version?
Yes. I loved Blackbeard in the One Piece manga and now I hate him due to his annoying voice. I even tried the dub, but no, he's ruined for me.
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90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
ABED wrote:
But good writing with a weak performance doesn't land. I get your point but a bad performance can interfere with otherwise good writing. In a novel you can imagine the best version of the dialog, whereas an actor might not be able to deliver the line that worked on the page.
It's possible the voice actor may not live up to your expectations, but the writing should already made you decide if you like the character or not, in the first place.
Does a bad performance stop you from liking x character, even though you liked him before in the manga/book version?
Yes, a bad performance can interfere with me liking a character even if I think the writing is fine. Case in point, Dawn Summers in Buffy is more or less fine in season 7, but Michelle Trachtenberg's performance still ruins my perception of a character that had more or less matured by then.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Yes. I loved Blackbeard in the One Piece manga and now I hate him due to his annoying voice. I even tried the dub, but no, he's ruined for me.
ABED wrote:
Yes, a bad performance can interfere with me liking a character even if I think the writing is fine. Case in point, Dawn Summers in Buffy is more or less fine in season 7, but Michelle Trachtenberg's performance still ruins my perception of a character that had more or less matured by then.
That doesn't happen to me.
I may be disappointed with the voice actor performance, but if the writing is still the same I will keep liking the character regardless.
Disregard the fact that there's a manga. If you take the TV shows on their own, you're saying your perception of the character isn't affected by the actor's performance?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote: If you take the TV shows on their own, you're saying your perception of the character isn't affected by the actor's performance?
In that case it may be affected yes, because it's the first time I'm seeing the character and I know nothing about him beforehand.
Now if we're talking about a manga/book that I have read and got adapted into a TV series/Movie, the voice actor/actor performance won't make me change my opinion, because the writing of the source material already made me decide if I liked the character or no.
Kunzait_83 wrote:
Care to give some examples then? I'm all ears. (And one of them had better not be that one political thread where I DID get rather rude to the guy defending fascist ideology. And that was because... he was defending fascist ideology.)
That was honestly legendary. I still go back and read that thread when I'm bored just to see your response to that guy. You were pretty great on the LGBT thread too. Needless to say, I'm a huge fan of your posts and I read your Wuxia stuff quite a bit to gain context and expand my horizons, but I like your political posts best.
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Unsure if this is exactly unpopular but I feel like if the Cell Saga were written today? It would get raked over the coals critically. A super badass from the future shows up and he's the result of a chosen-out-of-a-hat crack pairing! Random robots stronger than planet-destroying aliens somehow! Our new villain has all the awesome powers of literally everyone, doughnut steal this original character! Was this written by acclaimed mangaka Akira Toriyama, or SooperDooperBrolySplosionXXX666 on Fanfiction.net?
I sometimes think about why it even works as well as it does even accounting for all this. I'm not sure I have a satisfactory answer.
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