Unpopular DB opinions

[LoganForkHands73]

Opinion: Dyspo is the best Pride Trooper and severely underrated. I don't care that his design apes Beerus (though I think there's enough clear differences, the dude is clearly more of a rabbit than a cat), he has the best personality and is the only one of the "Big Three" members to not throw his heroic principles away for the sake of winning the Tournament of Power. He denies Freeza's team up offer without hesitation. Bin Shimada gives a great cocky performance in the anime. Even though his main power of being the fast guy isn't exactly unique even in Dragon Ball's history, the fact that he specialises in it at this point in the series must make him one of the fastest characters ever. Neither Zeno or his GodPad can keep up with him, even though they can seemingly keep up with Goku and Jiren just fine.

He may be treated as a bit of a fuck-up at points by his own teammates but that only makes him more endearing to me. Although he embarrasses himself a lot, he proves resilient enough to survive until the very end of the tournament and can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Toppo and Jiren. He must feel pretty damn special.

[JewyB]

^Agreed

I've always been a fan of speedsters, having one in Dragon Ball(not Burter) was delightful.

On Burter: Isn't it amazing he's the fastest in the universe, except y'know, Ginyu of course... And i mean, Jeice matches him in speed... And i guess since Guldo can freeze time he's faster too... So Burter is the fastest in the universe and the fourth fastest in the Ginyu force(beating Recoome)?

[precita]

Boo should have fought in the Universe 6 tournament. They designed Botamo to basically be his parallel in the Universe 6, so it's mind boggling the two never fought each other. Having Boo sleep through both tournaments when they actually intended for him to enter both times was absurd and frustrating.

At least we got the excellent Boo vs. Trio of Danger match in the exhibition tournament. So glad the anime gave us that fight since it was a joy to watch and they knew Boo would be sitting out of the main tournament.

[LoganForkHands73]

Boo should have fought in the Universe 6 tournament. They designed Botamo to basically be his parallel in the Universe 6, so it's mind boggling the two never fought each other. Having Boo sleep through both tournaments when they actually intended for him to enter both times was absurd and frustrating.

At least we got the excellent Boo vs. Trio of Danger match in the exhibition tournament. So glad the anime gave us that fight since it was a joy to watch and they knew Boo would be sitting out of the main tournament.

Yep, agree with that, especially about Botamo. Obvious missed opportunity there.

^Agreed

I've always been a fan of speedsters, having one in Dragon Ball(not Burter) was delightful.

On Burter: Isn't it amazing he's the fastest in the universe, except y'know, Ginyu of course... And i mean, Jeice matches him in speed... And i guess since Guldo can freeze time he's faster too... So Burter is the fastest in the universe and the fourth fastest in the Ginyu force(beating Recoome)?

About Butter, maybe he had the fastest long-distance travelling speed overall out of his team? Either way, he probably makes the smallest impression out of the whole team. Dyspo feels like the much more effective speedster. I prefer his slender, lithe design to Butter's top-heavy frame (it's weird that they made him even bulkier than Recoome, the brute of the team). My only guess is that Butter's build is meant to be based on tall Olympic sprinters.

[JewyB]

About Butter, maybe he had the fastest long-distance travelling speed overall out of his team? Either way, he probably makes the smallest impression out of the whole team. Dyspo feels like the much more effective speedster. I prefer his slender, lithe design to Butter's top-heavy frame (it's weird that they made him even bulkier than Recoome, the brute of the team). My only guess is that Butter's build is meant to be based on tall Olympic sprinters.

I jsut assuem thats classic Toriyama. Make the powerhouse a little boy. Make the strongest Saiyan a midget. Classic trope playing with, make the fast guy big just cause i guess?

But yeah dyspo actually felt fast, Burter felt more egotistically wrong(Oh also Frieza was faster than him so that's another person, i wonder if any of Freeza's other henchmen were faster than the fastest person he employed). He always felt like the equivalent of Han Solo bragging about how fast he covered a distance by listing the distance, not the speed.

[Noah]

Speaking of Sharpner and Erasa, I will always find it amusing that Toei apparently assumed they would be important enough to include in the group shot at the end of the opening. I’m not even sure why they would’ve thought that. I don’t blame them for promoting Gohan as the new main character, since that was what Toriyama promised to do before he changed his mind, but Sharpner and Erasa?

I have a theory that maybe crossed Toriyama mind to have a bigger arc with Gohan being a superhero, plus like Videl, Sharpner and Erasa would end up being his allies.

I don't find Caulifla and Kale to be hot or sexy at all.

Blame the stupid fan arts that just use their heads to put in other bodies to make them look hotter.

I mean come on, they are just flat brats.

Toyotaro is a horrible writer and should have never been chosen as Toriyama's successor.

Er... I don't see how's that unpopular.

[ABED]

I have a theory that maybe crossed Toriyama mind to have a bigger arc with Gohan being a superhero, plus like Videl, Sharpner and Erasa would end up being his allies.

Why would Gohan need Sharpner and Erasa as his allies?

[Noah]

Literally nothing about Goku lamenting if only Freeza was good or trained his power.

The manga "literally" disagrees. Go read it.

Well, I guess that's another point in favour to Toei against the original manga. Don't mind me, but I was always though it was stupid for Goku to make a "sad face" after killing Freeza. This jerk just murdered millions, including his friend that he thought it would never be resurrected again. So this expression makes way more sense as it's feel like: "he had what he asked, I shouldn't feel pity for it."

Why would Gohan need Sharpner and Erasa as his allies?

I don't know, Toriyama could make them useful to the plot, somehow...

[MyVisionity]

Sharpner and Erasa could help Gohan out with the detective work. Erasa's probably a huge gossip so she can keep Gohan in the loop. Plus you never know what special abilities she or Sharpner might potentially gain so that they could join Gohan and Videl out in the field. Not to mention they could help in protecting their secret identities.

I also think it might have been interesting to see the four of them start a band of some kind, at least for a few episodes. Maybe even combine the musical component with the superheroics? Who knows, the possibilities were endless.

[ABED]

They're dealing with petty crooks. Gohan doesn't need their help. And Sharpner and Erasa don't seem particularly bright. And this is DB so the stakes seem pretty damn small.

the possibilities were endless.

They aren't. They're boring.

Not to mention they could help in protecting their secret identities.

To what end? Gohan and Videl don't need the protection of a secret identity.

[MyVisionity]

They're dealing with petty crooks. Gohan doesn't need their help. And Sharpner and Erasa don't seem particularly bright. And this is DB so the stakes seem pretty damn small.

Petty crooks ordinarily, but you never know when some big shot might come strolling into town, looking to expand their business. It could be a whole syndicate or something that Gohan must deal with.

Plus Toriyama could have developed a rogues gallery for Saiyaman to face, which would call for greater assistance from the gang.

[ABED]

They're dealing with petty crooks. Gohan doesn't need their help. And Sharpner and Erasa don't seem particularly bright. And this is DB so the stakes seem pretty damn small.

Petty crooks ordinarily, but you never know when some big shot might come strolling into town, looking to expand their business. It could be a whole syndicate or something that Gohan must deal with.

Plus Toriyama could have developed a rogues gallery for Saiyaman to face, which would call for greater assistance from the gang.

Gohan's defeated beings capable of destroying a solar system. He's not sweating terrestrial bad guys. What you are talking about is a spin off. It's not Dragon Ball.

[Mad Swami]

They're dealing with petty crooks. Gohan doesn't need their help. And Sharpner and Erasa don't seem particularly bright. And this is DB so the stakes seem pretty damn small.

Petty crooks ordinarily, but you never know when some big shot might come strolling into town, looking to expand their business. It could be a whole syndicate or something that Gohan must deal with.

Plus Toriyama could have developed a rogues gallery for Saiyaman to face, which would call for greater assistance from the gang.

Gohan's defeated beings capable of destroying a solar system. He's not sweating terrestrial bad guys. What you are talking about is a spin off. It's not Dragon Ball.

An extended Saiyaman bit like that could have worked within Dragonball without being a spin off. It could have returned to more gag like roots of Dragonball. Somewhat like Astro Fighter Sunred. Like it could have been a few weeks in world of Gohan facing weak Earth threats that were just comedic. Meanwhile Videl actually struggles. I could totally see that in the actual story.

[ABED]

Petty crooks ordinarily, but you never know when some big shot might come strolling into town, looking to expand their business. It could be a whole syndicate or something that Gohan must deal with.

Plus Toriyama could have developed a rogues gallery for Saiyaman to face, which would call for greater assistance from the gang.

Gohan's defeated beings capable of destroying a solar system. He's not sweating terrestrial bad guys. What you are talking about is a spin off. It's not Dragon Ball.

An extended Saiyaman bit like that could have worked within Dragonball without being a spin off. It could have returned to more gag like roots of Dragonball. Somewhat like Astro Fighter Sunred. Like it could have been a few weeks in world of Gohan facing weak Earth threats that were just comedic. Meanwhile Videl actually struggles. I could totally see that in the actual story.

That's a really boring show. Stop pushing for the two most irrelevant characters in DB. There's nothing there, it isn't Dragon Ball. Some gags are better in small doses, and even during the gag manga part of DB, Goku faced obstacles he had to overcome. Petty crooks pose NO threat to Gohan whatsoever.

What you are talking about is absolutely a spin off.

[Mad Swami]

Gohan's defeated beings capable of destroying a solar system. He's not sweating terrestrial bad guys. What you are talking about is a spin off. It's not Dragon Ball.

An extended Saiyaman bit like that could have worked within Dragonball without being a spin off. It could have returned to more gag like roots of Dragonball. Somewhat like Astro Fighter Sunred. Like it could have been a few weeks in world of Gohan facing weak Earth threats that were just comedic. Meanwhile Videl actually struggles. I could totally see that in the actual story.

That's a really boring show. Stop pushing for the two most irrelevant characters in DB. There's nothing there, it isn't Dragon Ball. Some gags are better in small doses, and even during the gag manga part of DB, Goku faced obstacles he had to overcome. Petty crooks pose NO threat to Gohan whatsoever.

What you are talking about is absolutely a spin off.

I'm not saying it should of. I was just saying a tiny bit more could have actually been done. Not that I wanted it or think it needs it. Just saying without doing a full spin off that kind of mini story could have happen. No petty crooks are absolutley no threat. I was just saying a set up like Astro Fighter Sunred where the villains pose no threat due to the hero's strength sets up comedy. What you mean pushing for the most irrelevant characters? I was just saying a few goofy one off characters could have been 'fought' by Gohan in just a like chapter just about Gohan. Videl isn't even getting a major push, just a tad bit more exposure.

[MyVisionity]

Yeah I agree. Just a little bit more could have been done. We get a few more episodes of Sharpner and Erasa to expand upon the characters, and then maybe return to it in later episodes. The setup is done in the Saiyaman arc.

Like maybe we learn early on that Sharpner doesn't get along with his father, then later during Boo's reign of terror, we get an episode with the two of them holed up in their house and Sharpner comes to an understanding with his pops.

Or in the first arc, the gang decides to start a band. Cut to the episode with Bulma's party prior to the epilogue, they need live music, enter Gohan and company.

Or in Movie 13, when Hildegarn attacks the city, it ain't just Gohan and Videl that go and help out. It's the whole Saiyaman team! Everything is already established from previous episodes.

Like I said, the possibilities are endless. All it takes is an author or writers who are willing to step up and try.

[ABED]

The Great Saiyaman wasn't set up for them. That implies a payoff and there was no set up just like there is no good payoff for nothing character. Why them of all characters have you zeroed in on? When Piccolo broke Sharpener's camera, that was the payoff. That is the end of his road. All possibilities have been exhausted.

And you bring up the comedy, like there wasn't already enough of that in those early Buu arc episodes. How much longer could the schtick go on? It's already painfully drawn out in DBZ.

Or in Movie 13, when Hildegarn attacks the city, it ain't just Gohan and Videl that go and help out. It's the whole Saiyaman team! Everything is already established from previous episodes.

The possibilities are the opposite of endless. They don't do anything of value. Every single one of your scenarios is vague. "They help out" "But how?" "By helping out in a bunch of different scenarios" "But how, what can they contribute to the team that consists of the Z Team?" "by helping out, see the possibilities are endless!"

[MyVisionity]

No I mean the setup, if it had been done, would have happened in the Saiyaman arc. That would have then allowed for those scenarios to play out in future episodes. One or two band episodes, some references to Sharpner's father, they discover Saiyaman's secret, and on and on and on. Then bring it back.

As for Movie 13, instead of just Gohan and Videl called into action as Saiyaman it could have been all four of them suiting up. I forget exactly what was happening, but they can contribute just as much as Videl. We know Sharpner likes boxing, maybe that was a thing expanded upon initially that would be returned to. Or maybe one of them runs a comm unit transmitting tactical data through their earpieces or something. Whatever it is, the Z Team wouldn't come into play until later on just as they did originally. No one is being replaced.

[ABED]

The arc is already long enough we don't need more from these completely irrelevant characters because there is a limit to what you can do with such boring characters who are so beside the point of Dragon Ball.

As for Movie 13, instead of just Gohan and Videl called into action as Saiyaman it could have been all four of them suiting up. I forget exactly what was happening, but they can contribute just as much as Videl. We know Sharpner likes boxing, maybe that was a thing expanded upon initially that would be returned to. Or maybe one of them runs a comm unit transmitting tactical data through their earpieces or something. Whatever it is, the Z Team wouldn't come into play until later on just as they did originally.

Have you ever watched Dragon Ball? What does any of that have to do with anything? There are no stakes to the story. There is no drama.

What the hell are a bunch of NOTHINGS going to do to help fight a Godzilla like character that takes Super Saiyan 3 to defeat? Boxing, that's what they were mixing, a boxer!

Seriously, of all the characters to get fixated on and see something in, you choose THEM?! Videl can fly. Her father is Mr Satan and she eventually marries Gohan. They can do nothing. Sharpener can't even get a picture of the Great Saiyaman's secret identity. It was their nerdy friend who figured it out.

And really, Sharpener or Erasa are the Guy in the Chair? Dragon Ball has plenty of underutilized characters and for some reason you're fixated on them giving valuable screen time to nobodies. Their only big claim to fame is being Gohan's classmate. They don't do anything interesting. You saw boring characters and thought "I wanna see more of them!"

[MyVisionity]

If they really needed someone smarter, then they could write the nerdy guy in as well. But it's not too necessary. Just have Erasa intern with Bulma or something. Likewise Sharpner could shadow Mr. Satan and become his protégé.

It's not necessarily about stakes or drama. What were the stakes when Gohan and Videl went into action in Movie 13? No one expects them to save the day as Saiyaman, and yet there they were. Well Sharpner and Erasa could easily have been there too.

I don't know what it is exactly that makes Sharpner and Erasa click, but I never saw them as boring. Untapped potential, perhaps, but not boring. They are a part of Gohan's world that was created for his arc, so naturally they carry with them possibilities.