Unpopular DB opinions

[PFM18]

I think a big reason why I enjoy Super as much as I do, is because I generally don't have big issues with the characterization of it. As far as I'm concerned, Goku and Vegeta are characterized exactly the way they should be characterized, and aren't inconsistent with their previous characterizations at all. The only exception is that I think Videl's character was handled poorly. The "Tomboy" aspect of her was taken out completely and I don't really like it.

[Shaddy]

The character writing in Super isn't awful, it's mostly just little niggles and weird oddities, that I might be willing to believe are a result of Toriyama himself not actually directly writing the story anymore.

I don't think Goku is as abjectly forgetful as he's portrayed in the Zamasu/Black story, and I think he tends to take things less seriously overall than would be consistent with the original manga, but it's minor in terms of his agency and actions, it's mostly just a dialogue and direction thing in a series that already wasn't exactly known for masterfully-executed writing.

Vegeta is a little different. I don't agree with the people that say he shouldn't be Goku's rival or shouldn't even be fighting. I think in general he's mostly funneled his surpassing Goku and drive for self-improvement in a more constructive direction, he hasn't just reverted to his Cell era self like a lot of people say. Almost universally throughout Super, Vegeta's actions are mostly for the benefit of the people around him, and he never really lets his pride or drive for battle actively become a threat to others. I'd even say his primary motivation feels geared more toward protecting his family, even if neither he or Toei actually seem to know that. Rather, it's again just kind of an issue in his dialogue, because even if he and the story don't actually mean much when he says things like "I'm supposed to be the best!" or "I'll beat you AND Kakarotto!" or whatever, it still makes it feel like the writers are looking at the wrong material when they're working out his lines. And as many have said, the "he really DOES care!" character moments only work so many times until we stop being under the impression that anyone said otherwise.

[PFM18]

Vegeta is a little different. I don't agree with the people that say he shouldn't be Goku's rival or shouldn't even be fighting. I think in general he's mostly funneled his surpassing Goku and drive for self-improvement in a more constructive direction, he hasn't just reverted to his Cell era self like a lot of people say. e.

Well, that's exactly it. The way he approaches the rivalry is completely different. It is a much more productive way, and it borders on being a friendly rivalry. It certainly doesn't consume Vegeta's entire life and it is clear that Vegeta has other priorities in his life unlike his Cell Saga self. People that think he regressed to his early Cell-arc self are just confused.

And, I can't emphasize this enough, the last words in the manga are literally "I will surpass you one day, Kakarot!" So this idea that Vegeta should have no desire to surpass Goku whatsoever is just patently untrue. And no, it doesn't fucking matter that this is exclusive to the Kanzenban. Toriyama still wrote it in his manga.

[Champa The Destroyer]

Jiren imo isnt that bad of a character. Hes definitely not really that good, with his personality being bland for most of his screentime, and his backstory is beyond cliche, but I like the idea and executuon of him acting stoic and staying alone after everyone he cared about before the pride troopers leaving him (mainly because of death, but still) and once his idea of isolating himself from everyone being the best thing to do is unraveled, he acts unhinged and angry, trying to destroy Goku's idea of friendship being beneficial, it backfires, causing him to be defeated by MUI Goku. It takes Toppo's words to get back into the fight, and even then, he loses due to teamwork.

He's by no means a great character, not even close. I just dont agree that he's one of the worst characters in dragon ball history. Imo he's a much better antagonist than peoole like Super 17 or Omega Shenron, or even Boohan and Bootenks.

[Gligarman]

Many enjoy anime boobs but I've always had a thing for chubby/muscular and hairy characters. Yajirobe was my first anime crush when I was a kid. In addition to him Panbukin, Gyu-Mao, Champa, and Toppo (who I'm pretty sure I mentioned in a previous post) are the hottest characters in the series!

[Noah]

Call me nostalgia blind, but if I ever decide to rewatch DBZ again, certainly will be the original. I never liked Kai, the soundtracks from the first part are okay, but performances are way below the original anime, the second part was just awful. I can take Z with the bunch of fillers and episodes that nothing really happen over Kai anyday.

Back on topic, I don't know if this is unpopular, but I really like Giru. I think he's one of the best parts of GT.

Would you say he's the R2-D2 from DB?

[ABED]

Call me nostalgia blind, but if I ever decide to rewatch DBZ again, certainly will be the original. I never liked Kai, the soundtracks from the first part are okay, but performances are way below the original anime, the second part was just awful. I can take Z with the bunch of fillers and episodes that nothing really happen over Kai anyday.

Back on topic, I don't know if this is unpopular, but I really like Giru. I think he's one of the best parts of GT.

Would you say he's the R2-D2 from DB?

Wouldn't go that far as to call him R2-D2, but he's nowhere near Jar Jar territory.

[MasenkoHA]

Call me nostalgia blind, but if I ever decide to rewatch DBZ again, certainly will be the original. I never liked Kai, the soundtracks from the first part are okay, but performances are way below the original anime, the second part was just awful. I can take Z with the bunch of fillers and episodes that nothing really happen over Kai anyday.

Not sure if that’s an unpopular opinion? The vast majority seemed to like Z better than Kai?

The only fans who seem to like Kai better than Z are dub fans who at least have the self-awareness to realize Z dub’s shit from an acting, music, and dialog standpoint.

Fans of the Japanese version almost unanimously prefer Z to Kai and English dub fans who doesn’t fall into the above criteria almost completely prefer their Z to Kai.

It’s not unpopular to like Z better

[Tai Lung]

I have some ...
the power of kefla and caulifla is quite consistent in retrospective (anime)
as a relation of couple, chichi and goku are worse than trunks and mai
Majuub = superbuu because is the union of Kid buu / uub and mr buu

[ruler9871]

Unpopular opinions? I find Jiren one of the cooler characters (though I don’t find him well written).

I find Vegeta to be one of the most boring characters in the entire series. He was great on Namek to me but became dreadfully boring afterwards and his character has never recovered for me. I never cared for his obsession over Goku especially when at times it felt like he cared way more about this rivalry than Goku did. It’s fine he still wants to surpass Goku, but I find myself annoyed when he still gets salty over him. I acknowledge his growth, but I don’t particularly care for the direction it took his character in. Add in things like how I’m told he’s this tactical genius when more often than not he’s portrayed as a brute, his skill set is dull, and outside a select few fights, the rest of his fights are boring as well.

Cell and his saga are in the running for the lowest point of the series.

Kid Goku and ToP-Current Goku are the best Goku. Z Goku is incredibly boring himself for feeling way too much like a plot device than an actual character at times

This is funny because I'm like the opposite opinion on most of these.

Jiren is by far the most generic main antagonist in whole franchise. No personality, generic backstory, plan design etc.

Vegeta is one of the few characters in the franchise with actual real character, personality and presence. He's one of the few side characters to actually make things happen in the story instead of being just another pointless background character like 95% of the cast. And his obsession with Goku is due to the fact that he casually achieved the 2 main things Vegeta was striving to do in life: become a SSJ and takedown Freeza.

Kid Goku (and Early DB in general) is highly overrated. Other than a few funny scenes here or there, I don't see much of the appeal of Kid Goku compared to his Adult Z self. There really isn't that much to him. Even the editors at Shonen Jump thought Kid Goku was boring, so they had Toriyama create Krillin (true story). Z Goku by contrast exhibits far more badassery and gravitas than any other version of the character, especially when compared to his relatively dumbed down, flanderized DBS self.

[ruler9871]

Vegeta is a little different. I don't agree with the people that say he shouldn't be Goku's rival or shouldn't even be fighting. I think in general he's mostly funneled his surpassing Goku and drive for self-improvement in a more constructive direction, he hasn't just reverted to his Cell era self like a lot of people say. e.

Well, that's exactly it. The way he approaches the rivalry is completely different. It is a much more productive way, and it borders on being a friendly rivalry. It certainly doesn't consume Vegeta's entire life and it is clear that Vegeta has other priorities in his life unlike his Cell Saga self. People that think he regressed to his early Cell-arc self are just confused.

And, I can't emphasize this enough, the last words in the manga are literally "I will surpass you one day, Kakarot!" So this idea that Vegeta should have no desire to surpass Goku whatsoever is just patently untrue. And no, it doesn't fucking matter that this is exclusive to the Kanzenban. Toriyama still wrote it in his manga.

True that. Admitting someone is better than you doesn't mean that you should give up trying to be better than that person. I always thought Vegeta's speech in the Buu arc was to simply show that he doesn't hate Goku anymore, not that he was gonna give up on his goal in life to be the greatest fighter ever. There's was no implication for that what-so ever.

[Goten_jr]

I think DBZ is better than DB in almost every aspect
-better Fights
-better characters
-better world building
-better Story
-better Artstyle/Animation

[ABED]

I think DBZ is better than DB in almost every aspect
-better Fights
-better characters
-better world building
-better Story
-better Artstyle/Animation

Care to expand on any or all of these points?

[sunsetshimmer]

Majuub = superbuu because is the union of Kid buu / uub and mr buu

His original name is Super Uub for a reason i guess.
Majuub is basically Super Buu reincarnation (more powerful though)

I think DBZ is better than DB in almost every aspect
-better Fights
-better characters
-better world building
-better Story
-better Artstyle/Animation

It's not unpopular at all. In fact, it's too popular i'd say.
Better artstyle is obvious, the same way GT has better artstyle than DBZ.
Other points are debatable and subjective.

[sintzu]

I think DBZ is better than DB in almost every aspect
-better Fights
-better characters
-better world building
-better Story
-better Artstyle/Animation

DB & Z were based on the manga which was just one story, it was all DB. Whatever improvements seen in the later arcs were a natural development of what came before and Toriyama just getting better at his skills as time went on.

[Forte224]

Majuub = superbuu because is the union of Kid buu / uub and mr buu

His original name is Super Uub for a reason i guess.
Majuub is basically Super Buu reincarnation (more powerful though)

I think DBZ is better than DB in almost every aspect
-better Fights
-better characters
-better world building
-better Story
-better Artstyle/Animation

It's not unpopular at all. In fact, it's too popular i'd say.
Better artstyle is obvious, the same way GT has better artstyle than DBZ.
Other points are debatable and subjective.

Art style isn't an objective thing. Art style is the idea of characters having more rounded faces in Dragon Ball as opposed to the sharper edges and what not later in Z. Neither of those is objectively better than the other.

The actual quality of the art, or rather, the production values, are naturally better in Z. But art style is not so linear a path.

[sintzu]

I always thought Vegeta's speech in the Buu arc was to simply show that he doesn't hate Goku anymore, not that he was gonna give up on his goal in life to be the greatest fighter ever. There's was no implication for that what-so ever.

In the manga's ending Vegeta went to the tournament to fight Goku so this idea that his speech meant he was giving up on fighting and had no desire to be the best is proven wrong in the exact same manga. Toriyama even expanded on this in the Kanzenban's ending.

The editors at Shonen Jump thought Kid Goku was boring, so they had Toriyama create Krillin (true story).

This is the true story of what happened :

" Up until the Tenka’ichi Budōkai began, the series hadn’t been all that popular. At the time, Torishima-san told me “your protagonist is rather plain. That’s why it’s not popular”. When I had designed Goku’s character, the words that best represented him were “I want to become strong”. So I thought I’d bring that to the front. So I’d simply make the story into a tournament format. From there the Tenka’ichi Budōkai was born. I temporarily withdrew the other characters besides Goku, brought back Kame-Sen’nin, and added Kuririn as a new character. From there it got popular before I knew it".

Based on Toriyama's own words above, he himself added Krillin to the story to have more fighters for the tournament he was planning.

[ruler9871]

Better artstyle is obvious, the same way GT has better artstyle than DBZ.

GT's art style is pretty ugly, besides SSJ4.

No other art style in the franchise is better than the Buu saga/Yuya Takahashi style.

[PremiumSalt]

I have to be brutally honest, I think the packaging on the Z Dragon Boxes looks terrible. I don't like the art, the yellow is a bit obnoxious, and the logo looks ugly to me.

[Forte224]

I have to be brutally honest, I think the packaging on the Z Dragon Boxes looks terrible. I don't like the art, the yellow is a bit obnoxious, and the logo looks ugly to me.

Really? I love the packaging. The FUNi ones anyway. I like the size of the boxes, the yellow, and most of the art. Freeza looks weird and first form Cell was an odd choice. Same with early Cell arc Gohan. Otherwise I love the art.

The Japanese Z ones on the other hand...yeesh. What were they thinking with the layout of the art?